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[Veloric Wu]

So, I choose fem Hawke on this playthrough and she's a rogue. She decides to listen to Fenris and take it to Arishok personally.

The problem here is, it seems pretty challenging for a rogue to fight Arishok 1 on 1. His general DPS is pretty high, even for a Duelist Rogue. His charge immobilizing Hawke is also a big problem.

For this character, the Duelist & Dual Weapon talent tree are mostly finished. Are there any strategy I can use to win this fight?

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

Modifié par FeriktheCerberus, 11 novembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[mr_afk]

The key thing to consider is using beraht's revenge if you have it. The double damage and force effects from nature helps a lot. Also consider a build specced solely into damage; i.e. everything into a dex/cun mixture.
All you do is whack him will a load a spike damage, using the force effects from that to keep him disabled, whack him a few more times then he's already dead. If you don't have any item-pack dlc/have to rely on physical weapons you might have some luck with using combustion grenades + miasmic flasks to keep him stunned.

If your other specialisation is shadow, a decoy will work wonders as it will distract the arishok and allow you to deal your damage unopposed. This is semi-cheap as the arishok often bugs out and will swing at the air for the rest of the fight.


But yeah, as long as you have a semi-decent dps and keep him 'crowd-controlled' long enough for your spike damage to finish him off (before he can chug a potion) you should be fine. When he starts potion chugging the fight starts to drag on and ability cooldowns become an issue (the reason why the duel is tougher/longer especially for mages).

Oh and in regards to his charge... you can quite easily just move aside and dodge it; but i personally find a little charge of my own (vendetta/backstab) to be more amusing. It's the whole 'two warriors (hm..well mainly stereotypical samurai) charging at each other' thing;


Anyway good luck. If you want more specific advice feel free to ask.

Modifié par mr_afk, 11 novembre 2011 - 06:31 .

[Marvin_Arnold]

Commonplace advice, but anyway: Stock up high on stamina and health potions before entering the Qunari compound! When I finally arrived at the Keep, my biggest problem was my shortness of stamina draughts...

[philippe willaume]

basically
you can predict his specials and his charge.
hit him with you best attacks, if possible using stunning effect first, dodge his specials and run arround the pillars to get space to drink a potion or let your stamina fill up
rince and repeat.

[Tryynity]

Im stuck there right now - as a freakin warrior templar - he is stupid difficult even on casual. I beat him on my rogue with plenty pots/stamina.

He has a stupid amount of HPs and Im really tired of being bowled around the room LOL

[caradoc2000]

Don't duel him - the group fight is much easier.

[mr_afk]

Hm yeah with a warrior it can be hard to deal enough damage fast enough, and wars of attrition don't go in hawke's favour. It's possible to avoid all his attacks by manual maneuvering, but it's not the easiest.

I would recommend switching to a dps setup, but I think I do that too often.
here's an example of the maximum damage you can do, pre-item pack 2/mota anyway:

Non-berserker reavers can do similar. Not so sure about berserker templars, but I suppose they could still deal fair amounts of damage.

Anyway, the more general idea for a warrior is to wear him down until just before he uses a potion then use the combination of spike damage and stuns to kill him off quickly. Templars can supposedly silence him or something preventing/interrupting potion use. Not really sure.


Oh and it's a lot harder with a 2Her and you'll probably have to wear him down for a bit. But post-patch the arishok really shouldn't be too much of a hassle as long as you have a reasonable itemisation/build...

[Uccio]

Strike, Run & Drink health.

Modifié par Ukki, 11 novembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[Tryynity]

I tried group as well - epic fail - I think my dps cannot get thru his AC (def) technically he isnt wearing armour and my greatsword should be slicing and dicing coz he too bulky for dex - an Arishok I imagine is all CON/STR/Will

- I would hate to duel him as a Mage or a defender - my rogue did much better.

On a PC response is alot slower than on a console my son tells me.

I am a bit PO'd right now Casual should be as cakewalk - Casual is my easy button to learn the game. If I want a normal run I would chose normal - an Elite run Ill choose Nightmare.

This is like an EPIC endboss - he is ridiculous but I watched the video if you are properly set up he goes down incredibly fast - so all I have is RE-ROLL ahead of me.

I still have not made it all the way through the game and this is after 3 weeks of gameplay hahaha - cant complain now Im not getting my money's worth

I think I will try group again today - with tactics this time and see if I can do better.

Im so not talking to Fenris after his gr8 suggestion - yea just let Hawke do it... Ill watch and laugh haha

Modifié par Tryynity, 12 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[caradoc2000]

The only thing you really need to watch out for in the group fight are the two Saarebas. Ari himself is far, far easier this way than one-on-one.

[Tryynity]

In my party I have - Fenris, Aveline, Anders and myself - Templar so it should be fine - Ill try it later properly I was not in the good frame of mind when I tried that option last night. If not Ill re-think my build - maybe sword & board. I prefer two/weapon fighter but that does not fit with my templar image thing LOL

[Tryynity]

Did it as a group much easier - need to look at my build though - coz I believe a fighter/warrior should have wiped the floor with him

[Gervaise]

It is odd isn't it that the warrior should have the most trouble out of the three? The quickest kill was done by my rogue shadow/assassin. Used decoy, assassinate, twin blades, backstab and then steaked off behind a pillar to recover. However, I do find that the mabari hound is a useful distraction for the other classes to use. I would suggest that taking down the Arishok single handedly is so much more satisfying than doing it as a group. It is the one time that Hawke can choose to do something meaningful and actually succeed, without someone else screwing it up for them.

[mr_afk]

depends what you mean by 'most trouble'. in terms of optimised builds, a mage will take the longest and require the most planning e.g. maintaining crowd control, hexing him, then dealing hasted (cold/nature) dps and winter's grasps etc (and then running away like a little girl when your grav ring etc runs out and all the spells are on cooldown)

for some nostalgia, here's my 2H warrior pre-patch, back when a crit-reaver was truly awesome:


also, does it count as a duel if you single-handedly fight them all? haha

[Relix28]

No silly, it only counts if you play as Isabela or Duelist rogue Hawke. Because that's what Duelists do, they duel. Didn't you know? hurr durr



What? I'm bored.

Modifié par Relix28, 12 novembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[cihimi]

combustion grenades are your trusty friends. abuse them.

[BevH]

My quickest kill was as a rogue. My spec was assassin/duelist. I opened with assassinate followed by twin fangs. That was pretty much all she wrote for the Arishok.

As a mage, I cast and run, rinse and repeat. I showed my daughter that fight and we ended up laughing so hard that I didn't know if I was going to win.

I have to agree that the warrior takes the longest to win the duel, but it's still possible to win with patience.

Modifié par BevH, 12 novembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[aries1001]

Grenades, bombs and poisons are the best way to go, I find. Especially crow venom on your blade -
you could also use another poison your blades, but I've found crow venom to be the best. Also, miasmic flasks are the way to go as well, I find. With a rouge, using backstab and evade are good options, too.

And then you do need to have mod that changes to cool down time of potions and healing spells. (can be found at the dragonagenexus...)

[Veloric Wu]

Relix28 wrote...

No silly, it only counts if you play as Isabela or Duelist rogue Hawke. Because that's what Duelists do, they duel. Didn't you know? hurr durr



What? I'm bored.

lol, this! Exactly why I insist on taking Arishok out in a duel. Besides, Fenris suggested the duel, why let him down?

Took him out in the duel just fine. Rogues are just queens for dueling. Outstanding!

Grenades and Marked for Death/all kinds of Duelists skills+use the pillars and it's done. Good fight
alright, thanks for the advices, folks

Modifié par FeriktheCerberus, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[Veloric Wu]

double posted~

Modifié par FeriktheCerberus, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

If you're a duellist, do you have Vendetta? That'll be your best boon in this fight. Use it then use Twin Fangs and run.

If you have stealth or decoy, use either of them to hide and recover. If not, keep running. Use combustion grenades if you have them, especially if the Arishok's about to use a health potion.

My duellist rogue took out the Arishok way faster than my Warrior and Mage, mainly because rogue precision damage is so bloody high and you can turn invisible in the middle of an empty room.

[Linkforlife]

What I tended to do with my Duelist Hawke, was everytime the Arishok used his charge, I would hit him with Vendetta and every now and then I would hit him with a Backstab when he ran and began his animation for his melee swings.

[Relix28]

The optimal DW spec for this fight would be Assassin/Duelist IMO.
It should look something like this. biowarefans.com/dragon-age-2-talent-builder/#rzYMckaVtH1telBvEDFsHGIjLpT


Optimal equipement (assuming you have both item packs):

-Daggers
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Beraht's_Revenge
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Bard's_Honor

-Armor
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Jasmine_Cutty's_Wrap
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Arms_of_Mac_Tir
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lion's_Claws
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Stealth_Boots

-Accessories
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Poisonwood_Locket
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Enchanted_Silverite_Chain_Belt
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Puzzle_Ring_of_the_Black_Fox
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Etched_Ring_of_the_Twins


Attribute allocation:
Enough Dexterity to have ~90% critical chance, everything else into Cunning.


Strategy
STEP 1: Wait for him to charge.
STEP 2: Use one Mark of Death. one Vendetta, one Assassinate (this should take him down to ~30% HP). Then quickly let of a few auto attacks and finish him off with Twin Fangs.
STEP 3: PROFIT!

If you do it right, he won't get a chance to swing his two giant weapons at you, not even once (similar to mr_afk's shadow/duelist video).

[mr_afk]

heh, I'm guessing that if you bother to reload it enough times (I only bothered to do it once) almost any DW setup with adequate spike damage (assassinate/vendetta/twin fangs) and lacerate could do it in about 5-6 seconds..

mark of death/extra +50% crit damage via disorienting criticals + either Vendetta/Assassinate dealing double damage + a quick dose of another spike damage should be enough.

this makes the ideal setup either a duelist/assassin (using a mark of death while the arishok charges) or a shadow/duelist using an instant stealth to vendetta (so the arishok never gets the chance to charge).
the main problem is getting the lacerate to trigger..

so my vid by no means close to the fastest possible; if i remember right that was my only attempt at it and I used a throw the gauntlet (which was pretty unnecessary given I already had a +20% attack passive and the arishok was disoriented (-50% defence)).
It did make it more like a 'duel' though

I think the shadow/duelist will make the most amusing vid (the arishok never gets the chance to even move).
Maybe I'll go give that a shot when I'm free.


Oh and i completely agree with your itemisation. The only thing that might be better is replacing the etched ring with the graven circle from legacy and the silverite belt with that wyvern hunter's belt from mota (a bit of a waste to get them so early though)

Modifié par mr_afk, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Relix28]

Yeah, it's usually best to acquire dlc items in Act3. Preferably Legacy @ lvl 24 and MoTA right after.

Anywayz, the logic behind my idea was to simply debuff with Mark of Death and then use all three spike abilities one after another. That alone would most likely kill him, even without Lacerate triggering.
Shadow's +100% crit damage is only useful in case you want to bypass the 40% damage cap (actually it's 20% for bosses, but DW talents count as 2 hits) via Lacerate, wich is probably the way to go for a speedrun. But, if you don't want to rely on Lacerate, it's better to just unload all available spike damage, and walk away like a boss.

I'll try to find a save and properly test out my 3 hit combo theory. Stupid game, I said I will take a break from DA2, now that Skyrim is out. But it just keeps pulling me back. Oh well...

Modifié par Relix28, 13 novembre 2011 - 07:36 .