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[AbsolutGrndZer0]

So, in Dragon Age Origins you could at higher levels of IIRC Spirit (or was it Entropy?) do necromancy.  But, in Dragon Age 2, it seems like only the blood mages do necromancy.... So, is it just a case of Necromancy is frowned upon, or did they change it so that Necromancy is now part of Blood Magic?

[Tezzajh]

im guessing Necromancy is now blood magic, aveline implies they will get executed for using it.

It is stupid tho i cant use blood magic on a skeleton cause he got no blood, yet mages use blood magic to summon them

[BigEvil]

I always assumed that in the case of skeletons and other undead the blood wasn't being used on the skeleton but used to summon weak spirits which would take control of the skeletons.

[TEWR]

The Animate Dead spell was never really necromancy I think. I think it was just the mage using part of their power -- be it life force or willpower or whathaveyou -- to animate a corpse, whereas necromancy like what Quentin and Decimus did involved binding a demon to the corpse.

[Herr Uhl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Animate Dead spell was never really necromancy I think. I think it was just the mage using part of their power -- be it life force or willpower or whathaveyou -- to animate a corpse, whereas necromancy like what Quentin and Decimus did involved binding a demon to the corpse.

Animate dead - Puppeteering

Blood magic - Binding spirits

[dragonflight288]

Animate dead - Puppeteering

Necromancy - Binding spirits

Blood Magic - using blood to power spells

fixed.

[WhiteKnyght]

Blood magic can be used with the other schools of magic. It'll just use blood for power instead of mana.

[dragonflight288]

And has its own sets of spells. It doesn't necessarily bind demons to the mortal world. In fact, the school of Spirit (commonly mistaken for blood magic according to the Codex) is closer to Necromancy than Blood Magic because of the close affiliation with the Fade and the spirits within all the spells come from.

[EmperorSahlertz]

School of Spirit has nothing to do with necromancy, not even close. Necromancy is about contact with the dead and binding the spirit of the dead to the mortal plane and using said spirits to animate long dead corpses. School of Spirit does nothing even remotely similar to that. Reanimate dead is NOT necromancy, since all that is invovled in that spell is the willpower of the casting mage, and a whole lot of multitasking, hence why only one corpse can be puppetteered at a time.

Wether or not blood magic is required for necromancy to work, we cannot say, since necromancy is never truly explored, and its secrets died with Quentin, at least our exposure to it.

[dragonflight288]

And the voice of the Maker shook the Fade
Saying: In My image I have wrought
My firstborn. You have been given dominion
Over all that exists. By your will
All things are done.
Yet you do nothing.
The realm I have given you
Is formless, ever-changing.
--Threnodies 5:4.

The first of the two Schools of Energy, Spirit is opposed by the Primal School. It is the school of mystery, the ephemeral school. This is the study of the invisible energies which surround us at all times, yet are outside of nature. It is from the Fade itself that this magic draws its power. Students of this school cover everything from direct manipulation of mana and spell energies to the study and summoning of spirits themselves.

By its nature an esoteric school, as most others know virtually nothing about the Fade, studies of spirit magic are often misunderstood by the general populace, or even confused for blood magic-an unfortunate fate for a most useful branch of study.

--From The Four Schools: A Treatise, by First Enchanter Josephus.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Summoning a spirit is not the same as summoning the spirit of a deceased.

[Vit246]

I don't think necromancy actually exists in DA lore. All Undead are simply corpses possessed by Fade spirits or animated like a puppet by a mage's power. Quentin deluded himself into thinking that he was practicing necromancy when it was just demonology / blood magic all along. His victims were possessed by Desire demons and Leandra was still "alive" the entire time, kept alive by blood magic or something. Or maybe the game was violating DA lore.

[The Baconer]

Vit246 wrote...

I don't think necromancy actually exists in DA lore. All Undead are simply corpses possessed by Fade spirits or animated like a puppet by a mage's power. Quentin deluded himself into thinking that he was practicing necromancy when it was just demonology / blood magic all along. His victims were possessed by Desire demons and Leandra was still "alive" the entire time, kept alive by blood magic or something. Or maybe the game was violating DA lore.

Why would it be violating lore? Just because it hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it's impossible in the DA universe.

[Vit246]

Maybe I spoke too soon.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Vit246 wrote...

I don't think necromancy actually exists in DA lore. All Undead are simply corpses possessed by Fade spirits or animated like a puppet by a mage's power. Quentin deluded himself into thinking that he was practicing necromancy when it was just demonology / blood magic all along. His victims were possessed by Desire demons and Leandra was still "alive" the entire time, kept alive by blood magic or something. Or maybe the game was violating DA lore.

Quintin was a necromancer. He bound the spirit of Leandra to the flesh construct he had created, so necromancy exists. It isn't like the "traditional" necromancers we know from stuff like Warhammer Fantasy, who raises armies of the undead, but still...

[dragonflight288]

My point was that the School of Spirit is CLOSER to Necromancy than Blood Magic is, because of the summoning of spirits. Blood magic doesn't actually do that. Plus Spirit Magic is mistaken for Blood Magic by the uninformed, as is mentioned in the Codex.Blood magic simply fuels spells and adds a great deal of power to them. I never claimed the School of Spirit IS Necromancy. Just similar.

[Urzon]

I think necromancy is a combination of the deeper(est) branch of the spirit school and blood magic.

Mages in the spirit school can summon up different types of spirits from the Fade, but they need the power that is granted from blood magic to actually bind the spirit to the physical plane. After they have bound the spirit to the physical plane, they need to delve into blood magic again for its domination abilities. I can only assume it takes alot of magical mojo to overwhelm and subdue the will of a spirit (be it a person's, fade spirit's, or demon's).

[thats1evildude]

I think the reason why necromancers like Quentin use blood magic is simply because it's a plentiful source of power. Sure, it's a tad on the shady side, but if you're screwing around with things like raising the dead, I don't think ethics is a huge concern.

[Bigdoser]

its cause blood magic gives the mage more power to animate the dead or bring spirits. Since doing that requires ALOT of lyrium and with blood magic you don't need alot of it to power the bigger spells.

[Davillo]

I hate the new skill trees. I want Magic Might and Animate Dead back and draining aura too while wearing armor. Dude animate dead skele owned the skeles bmages summon

[dragonflight288]

I hate the new skill trees. I want Magic Might and Animate Dead back and draining aura too while wearing armor. Dude animate dead skele owned the skeles bmages summon

Oh yes-Arcane Warrior fighting alongside mage skeleton. Super powered mage Juggernaut fighting with the dead darkspawn. I loved it. Actually was my favorite battle style in Origins.

[The Baconer]

Davillo wrote...

I hate the new skill trees. I want Magic Might and Animate Dead back and miasma too while wearing armor. Dude animate dead skele owned the skeles bmages summon

fixed.

[Davillo]

No I meant the skill from battlemage not miasma but miasma could also be used at the same time.

[Han Shot First]

Necromancy