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[frostajulie]

So at the end of DA2 apparantly we learn that the champion with her LI and the Warden disappear similarly and "sister nightengale" says it is no coincidence.

Do we have any clues whats going on with that?

[whykikyouwhy]

Solid clues? No, not yet.

Theories? Several. I've heard tell that witches (of the wild) might like collecting things. Stamps, Matchbox cars, heroes...

But that's just fluff and rumor.

[FaeQueenCory]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Solid clues? No, not yet.

Theories? Several. I've heard tell that witches (of the wild) might like collecting things. Stamps, Matchbox cars, heroes...

But that's just fluff and rumor.

As if she has nothing better to do! Bah!

I expect some actual clues/hints about the grand scheme of things to be given in the last DLC/expansion of DA2...

[whykikyouwhy]

@FaeQueenCory - I suppose she could be baking cookies. Or polishing her armor.

But since she can be in several places (and maybe times???) at once, I'm betting on hero-collecting. I have this mental image of her making dioramas of various scenes/places in Thedas, and putting her little hero-figures out on display.

[FaeQueenCory]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@FaeQueenCory - I suppose she could be baking cookies. Or polishing her armor.

But since she can be in several places (and maybe times???) at once, I'm betting on hero-collecting. I have this mental image of her making dioramas of various scenes/places in Thedas, and putting her little hero-figures out on display.

Or cheese making, how could you of all people have forgotten about the cheese making?

[Macropodmum]

She could be making rotten twinkies..... but I would wager on the hero collecting also

[WhiteKnyght]

Or Leliana could just be mistaken and it's a completely unrelated coincidence.

After ten years the Warden could have went on his Calling.

And Hawke could just be in hiding. Heck, he might have left Thedas because s/he didn't want to be involved in a war.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It would take much longer than 1 decade for the Warden to succumb to the call of the Old Gods.

Alister said the Warden had "30 years to live." And even if he or she had gone on the alling they wouldn't have just vanished. They would let everyone know where they went, it's not like its a big secret in the order.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 novembre 2011 - 02:48 .

[SkittlesKat96]

Inb4 'Hawke is not worthy to stand near the Warden or Morrigan'

[WhiteKnyght]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It would take much longer than 1 decade for the Warden to succumb to the call of the Old Gods.

Alister said the Warden had "30 years to live." And even if he or she had gone on the alling they wouldn't have just vanished. They would let everyone know where they went, it's not like its a big secret in the order.

"Give or take" It depends on the person.

Duncan had only been tainted for about 20 years before he started having his Calling nightmares. Read The Calling. Duncan had only been a Warden for like six months when he befriended Maric and he allowed the Wardens to return.

Also Sigrun only had a very short time as a Warden before her Calling.(Read her epilogue slide)

Plus, you forget that Leliana and Seekers are NOT wardens. There is no speech options with Leliana where you can tell her about the Calling or anything about Grey Warden secrets. So it's very unlikely that she knows.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Sigrun's Calling was her choice, not because she was too tainted. Non wardens don't need to know about the Calling per say, the other wardens could still say essentially what happened to them. Even if Leliana was not told by the Warden about the detials of the Warden's final walk, she'd probably still be told by her friend or lover that they were leaving. And if not by the Warden, the other members of the order could tell Leliana that he or she was gone.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:53 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Sigrun's Calling was her choice, not because she was too tainted. Non wardens don't need to know about the Calling per say, the other wardens could still say essentially what happened to them. Even if Leliana was not told by the Warden about the intricacies of the Warden's final walk, she probably still be told by her friend or lover that they were leaving. And if not by the Warden the other members of the order could tell her that the Warden was gone.

Well The Exiled Prince DLC gives the impression that she and the Warden have grown apart some seeing as she's spending all of her time in Orlais doing the Divine's dirty work. While the Warden is in Denerim according to Bann Teagan.

Plus the Wardens are very strict with their secrets. They wouldn't even tell the Howe family that Nathaniel's granfather died in the joining. They never even bother to contact families.

Unlike the Hero of Ferelden, the Grey Wardens protect their secrets at all cost. Like when Genevive ordered Duncan to kill Maric if he learned anything that could humiliate the order.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:54 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's still highly unlikely to me that the Warden would just vanish without a trace without telling Leliana goodbye if they were marching to their death in the Deep Roads. The wardens wouldn't need to give away any secrets, but if a high ranking Chantry offical was searching for one of their most prominent members, I don't see why they wouldn't tell her that he or she was dead (or otherwise gone) if they were. If she was really searching for the Warden, I would imagine the Grey Wardens would be one of the first places she looked. So I suspect she must have asked.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It's still highly unlikely to me that the Warden would just vanish without a trace without telling Leliana goodbye if they were marching to their death in the Deep Roads.

Why is that? Does the Warden tell Leliana about the Ultimate Sacrifice? No. Only people that knew about that are Riordan, The Warden, Morrigan, and Alistair/Loghain.

Perhaps the Warden doesn't want her to worry or try to talk him/her out of it.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Leliana knows that the Warden is going to face the Archdemon in battle. If he or she is killed it's not like they'd have mysteriously vanished.

[WhiteKnyght]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Leliana knows that the Warden is going to face the Archdemon in battle. If he or she is killed it's not like they'd have mysteriously vanished.

But the Warden didn't tell her that slaying the Archdemon is a guaranteed death sentence. As far as she knew it was just another risky battle.

[whykikyouwhy]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well The Exiled Prince DLC gives the impression that she and the Warden have grown apart some seeing as she's spending all of her time in Orlais doing the Divine's dirty work. While the Warden is in Denerim according to Bann Teagan.

The tone behind Leliana's mention of the Warden in the DLC is open to interpretation. Personally, I didn't read it as "they had grown apart" but rather that they needed to handle specific matters individually. Leliana does mention that the Warden is very dear to her (present tense).

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It's still highly unlikely to me that the Warden would just vanish without a trace without telling Leliana goodbye if they were marching to their death in the Deep Roads.

Why is that? Does the Warden tell Leliana about the Ultimate Sacrifice? No. Only people that knew about that are Riordan, The Warden, Morrigan, and Alistair/Loghain.

Perhaps the Warden doesn't want her to worry or try to talk him/her out of it.

While the Wardens are very secretive, it's possible that Leliana knew about the Calling. She would have been at camp when the Warden first started getting the Archdemon-laden nightmares. I'm sure many fireside chats of Warden matters were overheard. (The only one free from such idle gossip and banter may have been Morrigan, or perhaps even Shale.) I never got the impression that Leliana's bedroll was all that far from the Warden's, even prior to any wooing and romance.

[jamesp81]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It would take much longer than 1 decade for the Warden to succumb to the call of the Old Gods.

Alister said the Warden had "30 years to live." And even if he or she had gone on the alling they wouldn't have just vanished. They would let everyone know where they went, it's not like its a big secret in the order.

More or less.

One thing I always wondered is whether the Wardens wait a bit before giving the joining if the recruit is very young.  This is a medieval setting, life expectancy isn't all that good to anyway.  Wynne is somewhere between 50 and 60 and she's considered old.  Unless a recruit takes the joining in his late teens, The Calling wouldn't cut his life short by much compared to standard life expectancy.  Of course, there's all the other nasty side effects of it but, suffice to say, if a recruit waits until his mid 20s or later, it wouldn't actually effect his longevity that much.

[WhiteKnyght]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well The Exiled Prince DLC gives the impression that she and the Warden have grown apart some seeing as she's spending all of her time in Orlais doing the Divine's dirty work. While the Warden is in Denerim according to Bann Teagan.

The tone behind Leliana's mention of the Warden in the DLC is open to interpretation. Personally, I didn't read it as "they had grown apart" but rather that they needed to handle specific matters individually. Leliana does mention that the Warden is very dear to her (present tense).

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It's still highly unlikely to me that the Warden would just vanish without a trace without telling Leliana goodbye if they were marching to their death in the Deep Roads.

Why is that? Does the Warden tell Leliana about the Ultimate Sacrifice? No. Only people that knew about that are Riordan, The Warden, Morrigan, and Alistair/Loghain.

Perhaps the Warden doesn't want her to worry or try to talk him/her out of it.

While the Wardens are very secretive, it's possible that Leliana knew about the Calling. She would have been at camp when the Warden first started getting the Archdemon-laden nightmares. I'm sure many fireside chats of Warden matters were overheard. (The only one free from such idle gossip and banter may have been Morrigan, or perhaps even Shale.) I never got the impression that Leliana's bedroll was all that far from the Warden's, even prior to any wooing and romance.

Still having feelings for someone and being with them aren't the same thing. Leliana and the Wardens each have their respective duties that they feel they must do.

Also Alistair doesn't tell about The Calling at the Warden's bedroll. He just mentions dying young which is ambiguous.(Fighting darkspawn is dangerous work after all). He mentions the Calling near his favored spot, which is not that close to Leliana's.

[whykikyouwhy]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Still having feelings for someone and being with them aren't the same thing. Leliana and the Wardens each have their respective duties that they feel they must do.

Also Alistair doesn't tell about The Calling at the Warden's bedroll. He just mentions dying young which is ambiguous.(Fighting darkspawn is dangerous work after all). He mentions the Calling near his favored spot, which is not that close to Leliana's.

Regarding Leliana and the Warden not being together - as I said before - open to interpretation, and therefore, not an absolute.

And if you want to rule out the possibility that Leliana could have overheard any chat between the Warden and Alistair, be it about Warden-y things or love of cheese, that's your prerogative. Seems to me that a rogue would be attentive to things whispered around her. But that's just my take on things. *shrug*

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Leliana knows that the Warden is going to face the Archdemon in battle. If he or she is killed it's not like they'd have mysteriously vanished.

But the Warden didn't tell her that slaying the Archdemon is a guaranteed death sentence. As far as she knew it was just another risky battle.

At the time, the Warden's battle with the Archdemon wasn't a death sentence. There were still 2 other grey wardens in the battle, one of which was supposed to be volunteering to try to take the final blow, at least at the time of the final goodbyes in the battle.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[hoorayforicecream]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Regarding Leliana and the Warden not being together - as I said before - open to interpretation, and therefore, not an absolute.

And if you want to rule out the possibility that Leliana could have overheard any chat between the Warden and Alistair, be it about Warden-y things or love of cheese, that's your prerogative. Seems to me that a rogue would be attentive to things whispered around her. But that's just my take on things. *shrug*

There's plenty of other opportunities also. It's pretty clear that the followers in DAO speak to each other without the Warden being there, and anything could have happened after the battle of Denerim, provided the Warden didn't make the US (which is a given, if Leliana says the Warden is dear to her heart).

[Urzon]

Flemeth told them both to get the hell out of dodge before she brings the house/Thedas down.

They are know enjoying a long vacation in the Qunari homeland. Though, they do argue a bit though. The Warden keeps asking Hawke to stay on his side of the resort island, because bad things always seem to follow him/her around, and the Warden is tired of cleaning up other people's messes.

Modifié par Urzon, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:00 .

[WhiteKnyght]

If I could control endings. My Dalish Warden would find Merrill, sweep her off of her feet. And take her back to Ferelden to live on the land I cashed in my boon for. While Hawke sails of into the sunset with Isabela.

[Esbatty]

Ooh ooh ooh, we have The Hero of Ferelden/Orlesian Warden-Commander, The Champion, and whomever the PC is in DA3, so when DA4 comes along you automatically have 3 Companions to count on.