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[Dean_the_Young]

Arkitekt wrote...
Yeah, they constantly "cross the line",

Which line?

[SovereignWillReturn]

Arkitekt wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ Which is why they should hopefully be smart enough not to uplift the Yahg, biotic bugs, ect to repeat the mistakes of the past. Cerberus keeps making the same mistakes and makes no efforts to avoid repeating them.

Name me one repeated mistake by Cerberus.

Yeah, they constantly "cross the line", but that's expected, given the stakes and the short time period one has to get results.

I'll name you several.
Mass Effect One
-Cerberus meddles with Rachni, they excape, kill scientists, and released into galaxy
-Cerberus meddles with Thorian Creepers, Creepers escape, kill scientists, etc.
-Cerberus meddles with Thresher Maws, you get the point.

Mass Effect 2, (Game and Comic Lore)
-Cerberus messes with Reaper tech, scientists kill, husks released.
-Cerberus messes with Collector Base, (Or Wreckage), Tech releases, kill scientists, makes several characters go angsty, creates bad situations, and Omega is taken over

I'll show you a common theme. Cerberus doesn't know when to say no, they're like the ****s of science.

[Aeowyn]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ Which is why they should hopefully be smart enough not to uplift the Yahg, biotic bugs, ect to repeat the mistakes of the past. Cerberus keeps making the same mistakes and makes no efforts to avoid repeating them.

Name me one repeated mistake by Cerberus.

Yeah, they constantly "cross the line", but that's expected, given the stakes and the short time period one has to get results.

I'll name you several.
Mass Effect One
-Cerberus meddles with Rachni, they excape, kill scientists, and released into galaxy
-Cerberus meddles with Thorian Creepers, Creepers escape, kill scientists, etc.

That was ExoGeni.

-Cerberus meddles with Thresher Maws, you get the point.

Oh look, it's Admiral Hackett saying that former Alliance scientists who were meddling on Akuze are being killed. 

Mass Effect 2, (Game and Comic Lore)
-Cerberus messes with Reaper tech, scientists kill, husks released.

Husks were released where exactly? If they're still on the ship I'd called that contained. 
Additionally, the team managed to recover the IFF before they went insane, so I wouldn't call that a failure. 

-Cerberus messes with Collector Base, (Or Wreckage), Tech releases, kill scientists, makes several characters go angsty, creates bad situations, and Omega is taken over

I'll show you a common theme. Cerberus doesn't know when to say no, they're like the ****s of science.

Nice....... 

[Someone With Mass]

Hey, they're the ones experimenting on things with the same scientific backgrounds and methods as the scientists of the 1920's. Not us.

[Sweawm]

The Thorian Creepers were unleashed by Cerberus. ExoGeni Is a shell company of Cerberus.
Just to remind you, Cerberus is backed by a number of wealthy Human Cooperation's whose primary interest comes in gaining an unfair advantage over their competition.
How do you think Cerberus went from one tiny rouge Black Ops group to extremely wealthy galaxy spanning organization? The major Cooperation's backed Cerberus after the First Contact War, out of paranoia, greed, who knows.
The Illusive Man used this funding to purchase strategical assets (Shipyards, factories, etc) in which he used to both produce his own very well equipped private army (Look god dammit! Cerberus has it's own damned fleet!) and also make money from them. Eventually, the Cooperation's turned from backers into shells as Cerberus became wealthier than them, buying them out.
Cerberus is just an alliance of Cooperation's headed by a total Renegade.

[CerberusWarrior]

yeah and in ME 1 Ceberus is a black ops section of the Alliance so guess what their deeds are part of the alliance. which makes the alliance guilty of not so pretty things now aren't they

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

yeah and in ME 1 Ceberus is a black ops section of the Alliance so guess what their deeds are part of the alliance. which makes the alliance guilty of not so pretty things now aren't they

Look up the definition of "black ops"

Free tip: It's not supposed to be a cool name.

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

yeah and in ME 1 Ceberus is a black ops section of the Alliance so guess what their deeds are part of the alliance. which makes the alliance guilty of not so pretty things now aren't they

Look up the definition of "black ops"

Free tip: It's not supposed to be a cool name.

   


Oh please I know what it means . Cerberus brought Shepard back not those do gooders in the alliance . Bioware just washes it way in 3 

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Hey, they're the ones experimenting on things with the same scientific backgrounds and methods as the scientists of the 1920's. Not us.

Someone needs to read up on their history.

[Someone With Mass]

GodWood wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Hey, they're the ones experimenting on things with the same scientific backgrounds and methods as the scientists of the 1920's. Not us.

Someone needs to read up on their history.

Someone should care too.

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Oh please I know what it means . Cerberus brought Shepard back not those do gooders in the alliance . Bioware just washes it way in 3 

Yeah, they did ONE good thing. Does that give them a free pass to do whatever in ME3? No.

By the way, those "do-gooders" in the Alliance are doing a lot more against the Reapers than Cerberus is.

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Oh please I know what it means . Cerberus brought Shepard back not those do gooders in the alliance . Bioware just washes it way in 3 

Yeah, they did ONE good thing. Does that give them a free pass to do whatever in ME3? No.

By the way, those "do-gooders" in the Alliance are doing a lot more against the Reapers than Cerberus is.

   


Oh yeah thats right we will never know because Bioware turned a awesome character and his organzition into a enemy  in 3 for no real reason. sure those do gooders are doing more to fight the reapers like putting Shepard on trial . thats really doing something 

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Hey, they're the ones experimenting on things with the same scientific backgrounds and methods as the scientists of the 1920's. Not us.

Someone needs to read up on their history.

Someone should care too.

And you have the power to do so.

You need not look like an ignorant fool!

[Someone With Mass]

Anderson is forming a guerrilla resistance movement on Earth (after the initial Reaper attack, mind you) and Hackett is mobilizing the fleets Shepard is gathering to do hit-and-run attacks on the Reapers and their bases and supply lines to buy Shepard more time and give him intel on the Reapers' movements.

What's TIM doing besides getting sh*tfaced and going on with his boring speeches about how he knows the true destiny of the human races and all that crap I can't possibly care less about?

By the way, despite popular belief, sitting in a chair and doing nothing but smoke and drink all day does not make you cool. It makes you look mind-numbingly dull and pathetic.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 novembre 2011 - 10:22 .

[CerberusWarrior]

I think many need to read up on our country's experimental past

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Anderson is forming a guerrilla resistance movement on Earth (after the initial Reaper attack, mind you) and Hackett is mobilizing the fleets Shepard is gathering to do hit-and-run attacks on the Reapers and their bases and supply lines to buy Shepard more time and give him intel on the Reapers' movements.

What's TIM doing besides getting sh*tfaced and going on with his boring speeches about how he knows the true destiny of the human races and all that crap I can't possibly care less about?

By the way, despite popular belief, sitting in a chair and doing nothing but smoke and drink all day does not make you cool. It makes you look mind-numbingly dull and pathetic.

   


Like I said we will never know because we can't play on Cerberus side and contue its story from 2

[Someone With Mass]

GodWood wrote...
And you have the power to do so.

You need not look like an ignorant fool!

What, look like a fool to you? Oh no. Whatever should I do?

If only I cared.

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Like I said we will never know because we can't play on Cerberus side and contue its story from 2

I don't want to know. They have no importance anymore.

By the way, the leaked script shows what TIM really wanted in ME2. 

Here's a hint: He never cared about the colonists.

I have also yet to see a single motion from him that helps anyone else but himself in the same script.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 novembre 2011 - 10:35 .

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
What, look like a fool to you? Oh no. Whatever should I do?

If only I cared.

Oh not me. I've thought you were a fool ever since you blamed Cerberus for Shepard dying in the collector attack as they influenced the design of the Normandy and thus they should have made it Collector proof.

I was just thinking you'd want to maintain some semblance of credibility on this forum and not spout of random falsities.

Modifié par GodWood, 25 novembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[UpDownLeftRight]

Sweawm wrote...

The Thorian Creepers were unleashed by Cerberus. ExoGeni Is a shell company of Cerberus.
Just to remind you, Cerberus is backed by a number of wealthy Human Cooperation's whose primary interest comes in gaining an unfair advantage over their competition.

Yes, Cerberus is backed by human corporations. If ExoGeni is one of these corporations is as of now unknown. It doesn't actually matter whether they are or not. ExoGeni is still the company responsible for the "Creeper" outbreak on Nodacrux.

Modifié par UpDownLeftRight, 25 novembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Someone With Mass]

GodWood wrote...
Oh not me. I've thought you were a fool ever since you blamed Cerberus for Shepard dying in the collector attack as they influenced the design of the Normandy and thus they should have made it Collector proof.

I was just thinking you'd want to maintain some semblance of credibility on this forum and not spout of random falsities.

You seem to imply that BSN has any credibility whatsoever. That's funny.

[Aeowyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

GodWood wrote...
And you have the power to do so.

You need not look like an ignorant fool!

What, look like a fool to you? Oh no. Whatever should I do?

If only I cared.

Well maybe when you use a wrong fact as an argument you should care. Additionally, in reference to your other posts, I don't see how TIMs "coolness" factor plays into any of this, so why keep repeating yourself?

[Goneaviking]

UpDownLeftRight wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

The Thorian Creepers were unleashed by Cerberus. ExoGeni Is a shell company of Cerberus.
Just to remind you, Cerberus is backed by a number of wealthy Human Cooperation's whose primary interest comes in gaining an unfair advantage over their competition.

Yes, Cereberus is backed by human corporations. If ExoGeni is one of these corporations is as of now unknown. It doesn't actually matter whether they are or not. ExoGeni is still the company responsible for the "Creeper" outbreak on Nodacrux.

There's an email on Feros which indicated that Exogeni were sending thorian creepers to Cerberus, what happened to those subjects? So there's a definitive link between the corporation and Cerberus, and Cerberus was certainly experimenting with them.

[RamirezWolfen]

I never could understand the extreme amount of hate people give Cerberus.

[Goneaviking]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Oh please I know what it means . Cerberus brought Shepard back not those do gooders in the alliance . Bioware just washes it way in 3 

Yeah, they did ONE good thing. Does that give them a free pass to do whatever in ME3? No.

By the way, those "do-gooders" in the Alliance are doing a lot more against the Reapers than Cerberus is.

   


Oh yeah thats right we will never know because Bioware turned a awesome character and his organzition into a enemy  in 3 for no real reason. sure those do gooders are doing more to fight the reapers like putting Shepard on trial . thats really doing something 

It wasn't a decision that came out of nowhere, the entire second game was spent portraying The Illusive Man as being shady and unreliable.

The fact is that he either withholds information from Shepard, or outright lies to him, on every Collector mission he puts in front of Shepard. He engineers an attack by the Collectors before he knows that Mordin has developed countermeasures for the paralysing swarm, sends Shepard into an ambush on the Collector ship, forgets to mention that the crew aboard the defunct Reaper has stopped checking in with HQ and "oh, since you're there anyway I think there's a way to wipe out the biologicals without destroying the Collector base."

After all those lovely platitudes about how Shepard is the best natural leader he's ever seen, and how Shepard is the only one that can stop the Reaper invasion? Please. He was stroking Shepard's ego, doing what he thought it was necessary to establish control over a useful pawn. I'm certain of this because there's no way an intellect of TIM's calibre would undermine Shepard's leadership that way if he valued Shepard's ability to lead.

My best guess is that Shepard, and his crew, were a distraction to get everyone* to look in the wrong direction while his real plans came to fruition somewhere completely banal and non-descript, and that that secret project is what makes Cerberus the enemy in ME3.

Even if I'm wrong about him using Shepard as a smokescreen the game put in plenty of hints to lead players to suspect that things weren't on the level long before the first trailer or leaked rumour about the third game.



* The Council, the Collectors/Reapers, potentially disloyal factions within Cerberus etc.