[quote]Goneaviking wrote...
[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...
[quote]Goneaviking wrote...
The fact is that he either withholds information from Shepard, or outright lies to him, on every Collector mission he puts in front of Shepard. He engineers an attack by the Collectors before he knows that Mordin has developed countermeasures for the paralysing swarm, [/quote]There's really nothing to suggest that the Illusive Man could control the exact timing of when the Virmire Survivor would be sent.[/quote]
There's no reason he had to start the rumours that brought the VS to Horizon, nor the rumours that said that the VS would be on Horizon, before a countermeasure was prepared. There was no way to know when the countermeasure would be ready for testing when he started the rumour, or even if Mordin would make measurable progress.[/quote]The Illusive Man didn't start a rumor that the VS would be on Horizon. The VS was on Horizon.
Was the VS chosen to be on Horizon because TIM said 'send the VS there now?' Or did TIM go 'you might want to build some Guardian Turrets there' to prepare the ground for when the cure was made, and the Alliance on their own said 'And let's send the VS there at the same time to set them up despite not being an engineer' unaware of any desired timing?
If you're going to accuse the Illusive Man of the timing of the Collecdtor Attack, rather than just the location (which he did do), you're going to have to support that he determined when the VS arrived.
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Whatever reason he had, it was still disingenous to report the Turian signal and it is a valid reason for players to distrust him.[/quote]If the reason is good enough, it's appropritate to be disingenous. Shepard's appropriately disingenous quite regularly.
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Particularly when Shepard and most of his team would have accepted the assignment anyway because the stakes really are quite high.[/quote]It's not Shepard and the team's willingness that matters, it's keeping the knowledge that we know it's a trap from the Collectors. We have to, and will, go in regardless, but showing our hand could have them remove or break the trap.
Given that the Normandy is bugged, and the Shadow Broker has worked with the Collectors in the past and has tried to sabatoge Shepard's mission... an intelligence leak (even inadverdant) is a completely reasonable fear. The only way for three to keep a secret is if two of them are dead... or if none of the three are in on it in the first place.
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So he says, but with his history playing fast and loose with the truth why wouldn't you take that claim with a grain of salt? [/quote]Sure.
EDI, an authority figure well placed to tell us if the Illusive Man is lying about the data, doesn't contradict him. The only previous opportunity that would offer a hint, the Collector Ship, provided only enough data to determine nav data, the IFF, and the location of the base... which only then allowed for the speculation that it was a base. Even when EDI was unlocked and uncontrollable, she never countered these. When we crash land on the base, EDI tells us she has just scanned the base, providing new information not available before.
Salt, in this case, would indicate that the Illusive Man could only have an opportunity to lie if he had an unknown, unsuggested, and unimplied source of information prior. Since such data would almost certainly invalidate most of the rest of the story plots, it does not stand.
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Even if he didn't know it for sure it was a viable scenario it wouldn't be out of character for him to have a couple of contingency plans in mind if it turned out to be viable. [/quote]Now you're backtracking from 'prior intent' to 'just in case.'
How is a 'just in case' horrific? Shepard loots as the opportunity provides without prior intent to do so.
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Shepard was a conscript who went along with TIM because he was the only show in town, but TIM doesn't have that excuse. He invested a fortune, and two years, in restoring life to the frozen pulp that at one stage had been Shepard and building an extraordinarily advanced military ship and recruiting a crew for him to lead.[/quote]Shepard was never a conscript. Shepard was a volunteer.
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The player is given the option of being antagonistic both to him and to his Cerberus team members right from the start, which makes sense if he's caught in a situation he doesn't want to be in. What doesn't make sense is to recruit someone for their leadership abilities and then withhold vital intelligence from them consistently.[/quote]Er, yes. It makes quite a bit of sense, when the 'vital' intelligence would be counterproductive if leaked, and is not actually vital to continuing the mission. Especially with a potentially hostile partner who can and sometimes will gleefully screw you over just given the opportunity.
Not even militaries share all intel: classification exists for a reason. Uneasy partnerships are less. But TIM never withheld data you needed, nor were any of his reveals anything you could have reasonably acted on in the common mission.
Wanting to be informed doesn't mean you need to be.
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It's too early to know for sure. It would certainly make more it more palatable to have Cerberus turn against Shepard and co. because of some super-secret project than because of exposure to the wreckage of the Collector's Base.[/quote]Unless you believe a key part of the spoilers are faked, and the POV-segments from Retribution are faked... no, it isn't. The developments that turn Cerberus into an enemy in ME3 are post-ME2. They don't even start until after the Collector base is destroyed.
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Indeed, but apparently I wasn't the only person who ended the game thinking that TIM was untrustworthy and fully expecting him to screw me over in the next installment.
[/quote]Sure. But your reasons for doing so are rather egocentric and biased.
Lots of people believing something doesn't mean anything other than it's a popular opinion. Popularity does not mean sound.
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