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[Eyerock]

I don't think it's cerberus' goals and ideals that appeals to so many, as much as it is the extreme coolness that TIM displays when you first meets him. For a split second one forgets his right-wing ideals and even manage to justify most of it, just because he's such a charming and charismatic person. 


If we had been greeted by a grumbling, right-wing extremist like Jean-Marie Le Pen or something similar, most people would never in their life defend cerberus. 

[111987]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, the science team aboard the Reaper went silent (gee, I sure didn't see the husks and the indoctrinated babble coming), and that's why Shepard had to get aboard it and retrieve the IFF. If they hadn't been indoctrinated, they could've delivered the IFF themselves (maybe they could've scrubbed the stupid thing too, so we could've avoided the whole disabling of the Normandy and the abduction of her crew deal) and we could've had a relatively whole but dead Reaper to play around with.

Alas...here we are. One year later, Reapers curb stomping every military force there is and we don't know how to take them out or what their weaknesses are beyond shooting at them until they either stop moving or destroy the guns.

[mauro2222]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

That example is an insult to common sense and human intelligence.

No wonder you people attack Cerberus so much...you arne't capable of thinking rationally.

Oh please, if blowing up a planet is a way to achieve power, Cerberus will do it.

Yes! Because a human empire is very rational.

Modifié par mauro2222, 29 novembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[Someone With Mass]

mauro2222 wrote...

Oh please, if blowing up a planet is a way to achieve power, Cerberus will do it.

Oh, they will do something worse than that.

[Kaiser Shepard]

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

The Derelict Reaper wouldn't have provided us much more than what we already knew from Sovereign.

Now, if you actually want to know the workings and weaknesses of a mass produced advanced enemy vehicle, let's say a tank or a new stealth plane, you'd want to capture the factory in which they are made, not just one of said vehicle.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 29 novembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[General User]

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

But I thought turning over major technological finds to a potential enemy was a bad thing!

[DiebytheSword]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

The Derelict Reaper wouldn't have provided us much more than what we already knew from Sovereign.

Now, if you actually want to know the workings and weaknesses of a mass produced advanced enemy vehicle, let's say a tank or a new stealth plane, you'd want to capture the factory in which they are made, not just one of said vehicle.

While that is sound reasoning to an extent, it would be best to have both a completed reaper and the factory.  Otherwise China and Russia would not be so interested in crashed American stealth vehicles.

[Sajuro]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

The Derelict Reaper wouldn't have provided us much more than what we already knew from Sovereign.

Now, if you actually want to know the workings and weaknesses of a mass produced advanced enemy vehicle, let's say a tank or a new stealth plane, you'd want to capture the factory in which they are made, not just one of said vehicle.

Because even if you can't read the language or understand the blueprints, by jove it is fun to look at and talk back to that harmless whispering in the back of your skull
Besides, didn't the control room get destroyed with a rather big fireball in either ending? Looks like the Reapers had a contigency plan after all

[General User]

Reaper technology is not a total mystery to us. We have a moderate to comprehensive understanding of the principles behind it, and have been rather successful in adapting it to our own ends.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
The Derelict Reaper wouldn't have provided us much more than what we already knew from Sovereign.

Now, if you actually want to know the workings and weaknesses of a mass produced advanced enemy vehicle, let's say a tank or a new stealth plane, you'd want to capture the factory in which they are made, not just one of said vehicle.

Compared to the Reaper that blew up and they weren't able to recover even half of the debris because of scavengers and such?

I'd say that a Reaper with a hole in its head is better.

Not to mention that Cerberus wouldn't be able to hoard all the information like they do with the Collector base.

And considering that they don't feel any remorse in kidnapping and torturing people, I don't feel so comfortable with giving them a base which used kidnapped people to produce giant death machines. Machines that they probably can't even control.

[Kaiser Shepard]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

The Derelict Reaper wouldn't have provided us much more than what we already knew from Sovereign.

Now, if you actually want to know the workings and weaknesses of a mass produced advanced enemy vehicle, let's say a tank or a new stealth plane, you'd want to capture the factory in which they are made, not just one of said vehicle.

While that is sound reasoning to an extent, it would be best to have both a completed reaper and the factory.  Otherwise China and Russia would not be so interested in crashed American stealth vehicles.

Well, you gotta start somewhere, and be grateful with what little you can get if you would otherwise risk open war. Of course, such a war is inevitable in the ME-verse, so TIM initiated a pre-emptive counterattack through Shepard.

Sajuro wrote...

Because even if you can't read the language or understand the blueprints, by jove it is fun to look at and talk back to that harmless whispering in the back of your skull 
Besides, didn't the control room get destroyed with a rather big fireball in either ending? Looks like the Reapers had a contigency plan after all [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie]

Going by EDI, it shouldn't be impossible to decipher.

As for the Harbinger's control room, I believe the implication was that it just got purged like the rest of the base.

[111987]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or maybe you're talking about THAT DEAD REAPER TIM REFUSED TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT? Which could've given everyone a great understanding of how the Reapers work. But nope, Cerberus had to go full-on derp and lose the damn thing.

Even though it was technically Shepard that lost the Derelict Reaper, I agree. If TIM thinks the Collector Base could be the greatest advancement for humankind since the discovery of the Relays, then having an almost intact REAPER should have been even more valauble to him. Drag it out of the brown dwarf star, or just summon the Alliance/Council. Studying it, learning how Reapers work, their full capabilities, their weaknesses...THAT could have been the game-changer. The Council would be very hard-pressed to deny the existence of the Reapers.

Silly, silly TIM. Perhaps he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to get a head start on the studying. If so though, he is a selfish, short-sighted fool.

The Derelict Reaper wouldn't have provided us much more than what we already knew from Sovereign.

Now, if you actually want to know the workings and weaknesses of a mass produced advanced enemy vehicle, let's say a tank or a new stealth plane, you'd want to capture the factory in which they are made, not just one of said vehicle.

Sovereign was in pieces, and the Council couldn't account "for even half of it". An essentially intact Reaper would be amazing. All of it's internal systems could be studies, all of its weaponry, shielding, the data in its archives...

[DiebytheSword]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


Well, you gotta start somewhere, and be grateful with what little you can get if you would otherwise risk open war. Of course, such a war is inevitable in the ME-verse, so TIM initiated a pre-emptive counterattack through Shepard.

For someone who professes to follow the logical, pragmatic path, you certainly ignore a logical, pragmatic solution in collection of a reaper carcass.  If TIM can bring people back from the dead, he can pull a reaper corpse out of a brown dwarf.  He chose to board and underestimate in the name of speed, his usual MO. 

I'm not sure where you are coming from concerning an interstellar incedent leading to war, Omega or Dead Reaper, both are in the terminus systems.

[CerberusWarrior]

At least Cerberus did defeated the collectors in 2 but oh thats right bioware handed a candy coated make up for all its pro alliance fans in 3.

[Someone With Mass]

Eh, Shepard defeated the Collectors. Cerberus did nothing to help at the battle itself.

[Someone With Mass]

Arcian wrote...
Shepard defeated the Collectors in ME2, not Cerberus. Your logic would imply that they're also responsible for the victory against Sovereign just because they had a remote hand in the construction of the original Normandy.

Or that everything that EDI does in ME3 counts as a victory for Cerberus, even if she directly opposes them.

[CerberusWarrior]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Eh, Shepard defeated the Collectors. Cerberus did nothing to help at the battle itself.

   


Cerberus saved us in 2

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Cerberus saved us in 2

Right. 

Who armed the bomb/pulse thingy in the reactor in the base again? Oh, right. Shepard.

Jack was to busy jacking off (too obvious?) in front of a mirror to actually be helpful.

I mean, that radiation pulse would've been pretty darn handy to know about in the first place.

[111987]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

At least Cerberus did defeated the collectors in 2 but oh thats right bioware handed a candy coated make up for all its pro alliance fans in 3.

At least the Alliance/Council did defeated the Geth and Sovereign in 1 but oh thats right bioware handed a candy coated make up for all its pro cerberus fans in 2.

[General User]

I'm not sure Cerberus had any fans prior to ME2. I mean, other than a few sidequests where they pretty much came off as the bad guys (and not very compelling ones either imo), they didn't really get alot of play in ME1.

[111987]

General User wrote...

I'm not sure Cerberus had any fans prior to ME2. I mean, other than a few sidequests where they pretty much came off as the bad guys (and not very compelling ones either imo), they didn't really get alot of play in ME1.

Fair enough, just change 'pro cerberus' to 'anti alliance/council'.

Either way it's a stupid argument...which is what I was trying to show.

[Sgt Stryker]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Eh, Shepard defeated the Collectors. Cerberus did nothing to help at the battle itself.

   


Cerberus saved us in 2

Incorrect. If by "us" you refer to humanity as a whole: there is no way the Collectors could have targeted Earth and gotten away with it. If by "us" you mean Shepard + the squad, that is incorrect as well. Shepard and the squad saved themselves, and completed their mission to boot.