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[General User]

mauro2222 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Excuse me? So if we want peace and coexistence, that means we hate human kind. Lovely.

Nothing about human dominance implies a lack of peace or coexistence.

No, of course... slavery, murder, war...

slavery - batarians, asari

murder - turians, asari, salarians

war - turians, krogan, batarians


Aliens are not angels.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 12:05 .

[MisterJB]

mauro2222 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Excuse me? So if we want peace and coexistence, that means we hate human kind. Lovely.

Nothing about human dominance implies a lack of peace or coexistence.

No, of course... slavery, murder, war...

Currently, there's alien dominance. Whatever slavery, murder or war that migth come with human dominance will have already existed when the aliens were in power.

[mauro2222]

General User wrote...

slavery - batarians, asari

murder - turians, asari, salarians

war - turians, krogan, batarians


Aliens are not angels.

And...?

Oh! I see... this is the excuse to make the same.

Modifié par mauro2222, 30 novembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[CerberusWarrior]

so I am still going to be a big time renegade ass to the alliance in 3 and if they want my shepard on trail well hell I will find a way to do more than just murdering 300,000 pieces of alien scum

[Someone With Mass]

The turians and the volus seems to coexist rather nicely.

[Arkitekt]

It's called Pax Homini, fyi.

And "David"? Really, I know of terrible things happening every single day here at Earth 2011, some of them made by the governments themselves. Tying an autist to a chair and being unable to untie him because he got mad and decided to eradicate the facility of every single life in it is horrible stuff, but not the amazingly moral atrocity people here think it is. People lack perspective, not unlike when children die every single goddam day by hunger and suffering, yet people actually give a **** and make insane efforts to save a ****ing cat or a dog from somewhere "less nice" to spend the evening.

[111987]

Saphra Deden wrote...

111987 wrote...

It disturbs me because if human dominance is taken too far, humanity would end up losing everything.

Yeah and if humanity is too meek it will lose everything. Slippery slope much?

But humanity isn't in any danger of being too meek. They are already suffering from trying to be too dominant (assuming the Council is killed). They are feared and mistrusted by the other great powers, and are even in an arms race with the Turians (whose fleet would most likely curbstomp the Alliance if they went to war).

How would the Asari react if they knew humans were kidnapping Asari biotics to learn how to strip their powers from them?

How would the Quarians (and hell, the rest of the galaxy) feel about humanity trying to take control over the Geth? I doubt the other races would be delighted to know humanity is trying to control the Geth who could make humans too powerful to cross.

Would the galaxy be happy to know humanity is trying to breed Rachni to use as shock troops? Once again, probably not.

Cerberus's actions place humanity at great risk.

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

111987 wrote...

Cerberus, specifically the team that worked with Shepard, was definitely essential to saving humanity from the Collector threat. It is their other cells, and there overarching goals, that are concerning.

Well Cerberus did give us human biotics. What goals of theirs do you find concerning? Their goal of "human dominance" only disturbs you if you are a self-hating liberal alien-loving stooge.

Love and tolerance are two different things.  You assert that they are the same, that's unfortunate, I thought you were smarter than that. 

Human dominance means that, domination of other speicies that are not human.  I have no qualms with humanity having the political captial to call the shots, but I certainly don't begrudge other races their right to rule their space.  You define idealism as making ones self feeling good by sacrificing others, but you apparenlty would sacrifice others to grant yourself more power.  The same people are sacrificed in your view, but the end justifies the means in your book.

Tolerance means that I accept that they exist and have a right to.  Love is an entirely different thing, and viewpoint, on another race.  So yes human dominance at any cost concerns me, and its that last part that does most of the concerning, and I assure you I am no loving stooge.

Even people in the lazarus cell don't put the dominance and tolerance view points in the same box.  They love humanity, but don't hate aliens.  You specifically call on those caring about aliens as self hating.  I see that survival at any cost mentality as the very thing that's wrong in this world, forget a fantasy sci fi one.  Because I desire political strength and not dominance, where would your absolutism place me?  You call on bioware to make shades of gray and proceed to color in only black and white.

This or that, there is nothing else with you.  And by your own playbook that would make you an egotistical, autocratic, alien hating jackass.

What is it with this forum and extremism?  Can we not have a desire to see humanity expand and be strong without costing the other races their existance or sovreignity? 

I've played soldiers several times, I handle biotics just fine.  There's nothing wrong with playing to your own species strengths.  But as a father of two, I see very many things wrong with affecting children with dangerous materials to produce a person whom you would use as a weapon.

For all your care of humanity, you would treat humans very inhumanely to gain for yourself that which you do not have instead of working hard to overcome your limitations.  You claim Ceberus is strong for these ideals, and it is the very reason I see them as weak.  They desire power at any cost without the difficulty of becoming powerful on their own terms screams of weakness that can be exploited.  Do you train highly skilled warriors like Shepard, or breed one in a tank?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

The turians and the volus seems to coexist rather nicely.

There is plenty of unrest between them and it will only get worse as the hierarchy gets weaker.

So we're going to rebel or quit the second something starts to seem a bit shaky between races? Lovely.

I believe the right word for that is anarchy.

[General User]

mauro2222 wrote...

General User wrote...

slavery - batarians, asari

murder - turians, asari, salarians

war - turians, krogan, batarians


Aliens are not angels.

And...?

Oh! I see... this is the excuse to make the same.

Just that there's nothing inherently good about the other races.  Or inherently bad about our own.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, the galaxy of Mass Effect is organized along racial lines.  And as nice as it might be to change that, until we do, humanity as a race needs a champion (and a strong one) or humanity as a race will cease to exist.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[mauro2222]

General User wrote...

Just that there's nothing inherently good about the other races.  Or inherently bad about our own.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, the galaxy of Mass Effect is organized along racial lines.  And as nice as it might be to change that, until we do, humanity as a race needs a champion (and a strong one) or humanity as a race will cease to exist.

What do you mean by champion? And why humanity will cease to exist?

[Quole]

Cerberus is selfish, incredibly incompetent, and racist. Yeah, it actually does seem like a good representative for humanity in fact.

[General User]

mauro2222 wrote...

General User wrote...

Just that there's nothing inherently good about the other races.  Or inherently bad about our own.

Right,
wrong, or indifferent, the galaxy of Mass Effect is organized along
racial lines.  And as nice as it might be to change that, until we do,
humanity as a race needs a champion (and a strong one) or humanity as a
race will cease to exist.

What do you mean by champion? And why humanity will cease to exist?

A champion is someone or something that fights for or defends someone or something else. In this case, the human race.

And humanity will cease to exist because one or more of the other races will decide, for whatever reason, to destroy it.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What?

You're not even attempting to coexist in the first place.

[Someone With Mass]

Quole wrote...

Cerberus is selfish, incredibly incompetent, and racist. Yeah, it actually does seem like a good representative for humanity in fact.

Well, them and Terra Firma, the inventors of the most retarded motto ever to be uttered by a human.

[DiebytheSword]

Quole wrote...

Cerberus is selfish, incredibly incompetent, and racist. Yeah, it actually does seem like a good representative for humanity in fact.

Heh, well done.  Too bad it applies to all races in mass effect. 


"We work to our own goals at the expense of others." - motto of every ME race.

[Quole]

General User wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

General User wrote...

Just that there's nothing inherently good about the other races.  Or inherently bad about our own.

Right,
wrong, or indifferent, the galaxy of Mass Effect is organized along
racial lines.  And as nice as it might be to change that, until we do,
humanity as a race needs a champion (and a strong one) or humanity as a
race will cease to exist.

What do you mean by champion? And why humanity will cease to exist?

A champion is someone or something that fights for or defends someone or something else. In this case, the human race.

And humanity will cease to exist because one or more of the other races will decide, for whatever reason, to destroy it.

ummmm  wat?

[Quole]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Quole wrote...

Cerberus is selfish, incredibly incompetent, and racist. Yeah, it actually does seem like a good representative for humanity in fact.

Heh, well done.  Too bad it applies to all races in mass effect. 


"We work to our own goals at the expense of others." - motto of every ME race.

Cerberus more so than others obviously. And if that is the case with every other race.. why MUST it be the case for humanity anyway? How does that make us any better?

Modifié par Quole, 30 novembre 2011 - 12:26 .

[mauro2222]

General User wrote...

A champion is someone or something that fights for or defends someone or something else. In this case, the human race.

And humanity will cease to exist because one or more of the other races will decide, for whatever reason, to destroy it.

Yeah, I know what a champion is, but I can't see why someone like him is needed.

So, humanity makes a preventive attack against them just for irrational fear?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What makes you say that?

I don't know.

All that talk about them giving up their power one way or another, perhaps?

You're not after peace. You're after power.

[mauro2222]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Quole wrote...

Cerberus is selfish, incredibly incompetent, and racist. Yeah, it actually does seem like a good representative for humanity in fact.

Heh, well done.  Too bad it applies to all races in mass effect. 


"We work to our own goals at the expense of others." - motto of every ME race.

Jesus... is that the only defense that Cerberus has?

"Yeah, I killed him, but others do it too."

[General User]

Quole wrote...

General User wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

General User wrote...

Just that there's nothing inherently good about the other races.  Or inherently bad about our own.

Right,
wrong, or indifferent, the galaxy of Mass Effect is organized along
racial lines.  And as nice as it might be to change that, until we do,
humanity as a race needs a champion (and a strong one) or humanity as a
race will cease to exist.

What do you mean by champion? And why humanity will cease to exist?

A champion is someone or something that fights for or defends someone or something else. In this case, the human race.

And humanity will cease to exist because one or more of the other races will decide, for whatever reason, to destroy it.

ummmm  wat?

I don't know how to answer that.  Mostly because I don't know wat you're asking.