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[rikusoraleon]

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Assassination is terrorism.  See Lord Louis Mountbatten.
Blowing up ships with thousands of people is terrorism i.e. 9/11
Kidnapping children for deathcamps=Radical Muslims kidnapping children to use in suicide attacks.

Cerberus has always been a TERRORIST organization.

This post is just lol.

Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

[111987]

General User wrote...

Cerberus is subject to it's backers demands.

I believe Miranda says that Cerberus's backers trust the Illusive Man to do the right thing.

In fact I am almost positive she says that. In which case no, Cerberus is not subject to its backers demands. And in any case, even without indepdent backers the organization recieves enough funding from its shell corporations to operate smoothly.

[General User]

Yes, and if they didn't trust him they'd either replace him with someone they did trust pull their backing.

[111987]

General User wrote...

Yes, and if they didn't trust him they'd either replace him with someone they did trust pull their backing.

Um, I don't think so. Cerberus's actions are secrets; their backers likely have no idea on the specifics of what Cerberus is up to. And they can't replace him because they don't have access to him.

AND like I said, they get enough funds to operate from their shell companies.

[GodWood]

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

[Someone With Mass]

If they didn't replace him after Retribution, they never will.

[capn233]

Cerberus is not a publicly traded company with share holders and a CEO. The people that give money to Cerberus believe in the cause, but they don't really have any control within the organization. They could chose to spend their money elsewhere (like Miri's father did), but that is the extent of the power they have over it.

Modifié par capn233, 30 novembre 2011 - 02:48 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Assassination is terrorism.  See Lord Louis Mountbatten.
Blowing up ships with thousands of people is terrorism i.e. 9/11
Kidnapping children for deathcamps=Radical Muslims kidnapping children to use in suicide attacks.

Cerberus has always been a TERRORIST organization.

This post is just lol.

Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

[General User]

111987 wrote...
Cerberus's actions are secrets; their backers likely have no idea on the specifics of what Cerberus is up to.

Yes, hence Miranda's "they trust him" line.  Besides they know enough to know they want to keep writing some fairly large checks.

111987 wrote...
And they can't replace him because they don't have access to him.

You don't need access to someone to stop payment on a check to them.

111987 wrote...
AND like I said, they get enough funds to operate from their shell companies.

A corporation, even a profitable one, is not a license to print money or conduct "off the books" projects.   All corporations have, at a bare mimimun private shareholders that they're responsible to.  If a corporation is publicly traded, they have a great deal of requirements incumbent upon them.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 02:59 .

[111987]

[quote]General User wrote...

[quote]111987 wrote...
Cerberus's actions are secrets; their backers likely have no idea on the specifics of what Cerberus is up to. [/quote]Yes, hence Miranda's "they trust him" line.  [/quote]

Exactly, meaning they don't know what he's doing which means they aren't directing him. Seriously I can't explain this any better.

[quote]111987 wrote...
And they can't replace him because they don't have access to him.[/quote]You don't need access to someone to stop payment on a check to them.[/quote]

That happened with Miranda's father, the wealthiest man in the galaxy and that didn't stop them.

What don't you understand about Cerberus not being directed or overseen, by anyone let alone a legitimate government?

[General User]

111987 wrote...
Exactly, meaning they don't know what he's doing which means they aren't
directing him. Seriously I can't explain this any better.

The Zen Masters say that one should always seek to understand before one seeks to explain.   Cerberus' backers are not directing Cerberus, but that organization is subject to them in the sense of being obliged to be responsive to their wishes, simply by virtue of them "puttin' up the dough."

111987 wrote...
That happened with Miranda's father, the wealthiest man in the galaxy and that didn't stop them.

That's because Miranda's father was not their sole backer, hence expendable as far as Cerberus is concerned.

111987 wrote...
What don't you understand about Cerberus not being directed or overseen, by anyone let alone a legitimate government?

Cerberus is directed and overseen... by the Illusive Man.  And Cerberus' very nature as a black-ops group makes government affiliation... problematic at best.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 03:21 .

[rikusoraleon]

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Modifié par rikusoraleon, 30 novembre 2011 - 03:22 .

[111987]

General User wrote...

111987 wrote...
Exactly, meaning they don't know what he's doing which means they aren't
directing him. Seriously I can't explain this any better.

The Zen Masters say that one should always seek to understand before one seeks to explain.   Cerberus' backers are not directing Cerberus, but that organization is subject to them in the sense of being responsive to their wishes, simply by virtue of them "puttin' up the dough."

111987 wrote...
That happened with Miranda's father, the wealthiest man in the galaxy and that didn't stop them.

That's because Miranda's father was not their sole backer, hence expendable as far as Cerberus is concerned.

111987 wrote...
What don't you understand about Cerberus not being directed or overseen, by anyone let alone a legitimate government?

Cerberus is directed and overseen... by the Illusive Man.  And Cerberus' very nature as a black-ops group makes government affiliation... problematic at best.

Cerberus is only subject to their general desires, namely the advancement of humanity. Beyond that, their role in Cerberus is non-existent.

The Illusive Man is not a legitimate authority. Because no legitimate group or government directly oversees Cerberus, and because Cerberus acts outside the law, they are a problem waiting to happen.

[General User]

111987 wrote...
Cerberus is only subject to their general desires, namely the advancement of humanity. Beyond that, their role in Cerberus is non-existent.

It is very rare to find a large organization where those who put up the money are the same as those who run things.

111987 wrote...
The Illusive Man is not a legitimate authority.

What would he have to do to become legitimate?

[Kaiser Shepard]

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

[DPSSOC]

sponge56 wrote...
1)  Cerberus is an inherently RACIST/SPECIEST organisation.  They aim to make humanity the dominant power in the galaxy, subjugating the other races.  I don't understand how so many people on these forums can defend such as organisation.

It's actually quite simple.  The current power in the galaxy is 3 species with a documented history of genocide.  They've shown callous disregard for the well being of other species (uplifting the Krogan), and actively pit races against one another for their own benefit (Human/Batarian conflict).  Why would you not want to be the dominant power when dealing with these people?

Yes the subjugation of the other races would be bad but so would the subjugation of our own.  Also dominance does not mean the subjugation and oppression of everyone else.  It means being powerful enough that when your interests and the interests of others conflict, your interests come out the better for it.  You don't need to crush every race under your heel to achieve that.

sponge56 wrote...
The Mass Effects series makes it obvious that all races are fundamentally 'human' in regards to their emotions and core beliefs.

Which is part of the problem, we know how bad we can be.  It'd be like if I met a perfect clone of me, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could through him because I know what I'm like.  Same deal, the aliens are so much like us and we've seen how poorly we treat our own people, let alone other species of life.

sponge56 wrote...
2) Humanity doesn't really need to ascend.

Yes we do, we've seen what happens (in the Council races) when you allow yourself to be mired in complacency and stagnation.  We must continue to push ourselves further and further both for our own benefit but also to force the other races to keep up and benefit themselves.

sponge56 wrote...
Also, Humanity is constantly given more and more powers and freedom by the Council in a very quick space of time, so why do we need such an organisation?

Because that's what got us those powers and freedoms?  The Council didn't give anything to humanity for being a good little puppy and doing what they're told they gave it because our expansion and innovation frightened them.  We showed them different ways of thinking and, rather than find out the hard way whether those different ways were better, they gave us a few gifts to keep us happy.  Without Cerberus all we have are the Alliance politicians who are all too ready to lay down for the Council (evidenced by Udina), which removes the fear and thus the incentive to give us stuff.

Yes cooperation can encourage them to give us stuff as well but that's why we need both; open cooperation with a shadow op representing all the reasons they don't want to pick a fight with us.  I might point out that the Elcor, Hanar, and Volus have been cooperating with the Council for centruies if not millenia and have next to nothing to show for it.

[rikusoraleon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.

[Kaiser Shepard]

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.

Once again, how do those constitute terrorism?

[DPSSOC]

111987 wrote...
The Illusive Man is not a legitimate authority. Because no legitimate group or government directly oversees Cerberus, and because Cerberus acts outside the law, they are a problem waiting to happen.

So this differs from the Spectres how exactly.  The Spectres have zero oversight, zero supervision, the Council does not, and does not want to, keep track of Spectre activities.  If they did Saren never would have been able to find Sovereign, contact the Geth, and build his own military/research base without anybody noticing.

So Spectres act outside the law with no legitimate group or government directly overseeing their activities, but a legitimate authority said they could do that so it's ok?  If that's the case anything done by Cerberus' military division would be golden then wouldn't it?  The Alliance (a legitimate authority) told them they could act without oversight or regard for law so what they do is ok.

[rikusoraleon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.

Once again, how do those constitute terrorism?

I've given you my definition of terrorism.  If you don't like it then propose a counter interpretation, but if you can't see what makes them terrorists then I'm not even going to bother.

[Kaiser Shepard]

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.

Once again, how do those constitute terrorism?

I've given you my definition of terrorism.  If you don't like it then propose a counter interpretation, but if you can't see what makes them terrorists then I'm not even going to bother.

There is no "your definition" of terrorism, nor is there more than one interpretation. It is what it is, simple as that.

[rikusoraleon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.

Once again, how do those constitute terrorism?

I've given you my definition of terrorism.  If you don't like it then propose a counter interpretation, but if you can't see what makes them terrorists then I'm not even going to bother.

There is no "your definition" of terrorism, nor is there more than one interpretation. It is what it is, simple as that.

Not true, if there was just "one" definition then we would not be having this debate now would we?  And so far, you have not even told me what you consider terrorism to be, you just keep claiming that what I say terrorism is, is not in fact, terrorism.

[Kaiser Shepard]

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...

GodWood wrote...

rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.

Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.

Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.

Once again, how do those constitute terrorism?

I've given you my definition of terrorism.  If you don't like it then propose a counter interpretation, but if you can't see what makes them terrorists then I'm not even going to bother.

There is no "your definition" of terrorism, nor is there more than one interpretation. It is what it is, simple as that.

Not true, if there was just "one" definition then we would not be having this debate now would we?  And so far, you have not even told me what you consider terrorism to be, you just keep claiming that what I say terrorism is, is not in fact, terrorism.

We're having this discussion because you are wrong, and insist on being right. Like I said, terrorism is terrorism, there's not much more to it. There's no such thing as what I consider it to be, only what it is and what I adhere to.

[rikusoraleon]

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]rikusoraleon wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]rikusoraleon wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]rikusoraleon wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]rikusoraleon wrote...

[quote]GodWood wrote...

[quote]rikusoraleon wrote...
Come back when you have a warrant for your claim, only then can you mock my posts.[/quote]Learn what terrorism means and I won't laugh at your posts.[/quote]

Terrorism is exactly what I described it as: violent acts designed to have psychological repercussions committed by a subnational or non-state entity with an identifiable chain of command.  9/11 was terrorism.  Kidnapping children to be used as suicide bombers is terrorism.  Assassinating high-profile targets is terrorism.

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but I think this should be the other way around: you, Riku, should have a valid warrant for your claim.[/quote]

Why?  You say I need a warrant, but provide no reasoning as to why I'm missing a warrant.  Your post is also a claim without warrants.[/quote]Because you are missing a proper warrant, simple as that. Cerberus has not committed any acts of terrorism.
[/quote]

Maybe you should play ME2 again:

2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated with
sodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and
heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs
in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re:
genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.
2173 - Inez Simmons resigns as head of Terra Firma party; front-runner Claude Mennau assassinated; Charles Saracino much more tractable.
2174 - Radium placed inside office chair of Systems Alliance
parliamentarian Artyom Gavrikov. Gavrikov's death attributed to cancer.
Emergency election much cheaper to manipulate than normal process.
Cerberus-backed candidate loses; winning candidate approached, found
susceptible to bribes.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic
hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL, all
hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the
process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.[/quote]
Once again, how do those constitute terrorism?

[/quote]

I've given you my definition of terrorism.  If you don't like it then propose a counter interpretation, but if you can't see what makes them terrorists then I'm not even going to bother.[/quote]There is no "your definition" of terrorism, nor is there more than one interpretation. It is what it is, simple as that.
[/quote]

Not true, if there was just "one" definition then we would not be having this debate now would we?  And so far, you have not even told me what you consider terrorism to be, you just keep claiming that what I say terrorism is, is not in fact, terrorism.[/quote]
We're having this discussion because you are wrong, and insist on being right. Like I said, terrorism is terrorism, there's not much more to it. There's no such thing as what I consider it to be, only what it is and what I adhere to.

[/quote]

No, it is you who insists they're right and outright says I'm wrong without debating me.  Terrorism is terrorism?  That doesn't mean anything, it's just a meaningless tautology.  That's like saying "I am who I am."  It doesn't mean anything, you've not provided a definition of terrorism and you've done nothing but assert that you are right and I am wrong without warrants.  If I knew better, I would say you're probably trolling me.

[Kaiser Shepard]

rikusoraleon wrote...

No, it is you who insists they're right and outright says I'm wrong without debating me.  Terrorism is terrorism?  That doesn't mean anything, it's just a meaningless tautology.  That's like saying "I am who I am."  It doesn't mean anything, you've not provided a definition of terrorism and you've done nothing but assert that you are right and I am wrong without warrants.  If I knew better, I would say you're probably trolling me.

But terrorism is terrorism, the hint being the terror part of the word. It isn't just what any one person wants it to mean.