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[Someone With Mass]

Speaking of which, if Cerberus is supposed to help humanity, wouldn't have been incredibly useful to give the Alliance some of those countermeasures?

[Arkitekt]

You're making **** up just as you go along aren't you? And boy do I love your snide marginal attacks, trying to derail as much as you possibly can. The reaper was only "lost" when it was concluded that Shep couldn't get out of it without blowing the core up. Not every bad luck is "incompetence" you know?

Oh, how could you? And what the hell are you rattling about "not contacting them again"?

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Speaking of which, if Cerberus is supposed to help humanity, wouldn't have been incredibly useful to give the Alliance some of those countermeasures?

Distracted SWM strikes again: No, fffs. These countermeasures were based upon illegal use of AI.

Can you stop for a moment your inane spamming and *think*?

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Speaking of which, if Cerberus is supposed to help humanity, wouldn't have been incredibly useful to give the Alliance some of those countermeasures?

Illusive Man didn't think through much about that?

[Arkitekt]

It was illegal technology ffs. Alliance *could not use it*, period. Now that the reapers are here, I guess no one really cares if the Alliance has one of those self-aware bastards in one ship, but that's recent ****.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's the big picture that matters.

Right. Then where's Cerberus during that Reaper invasion they said that they were going to stop?

[Arkitekt]

Doing just that: trying to stop the reapers.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
They can't just copy/paste EDI. Each A.I. needs to be built and educated from scratch. Until EDI was tested in the field it would have been foolish to try and mass produce her.

Yet another excuse to hoard the power tools. Such great contingency plans, don't you think?

Why would we need cyberwarfare capabilities when we have soldiers while going up the machines that took over a ship via something as simple as an IFF?

Now the Reapers can infect every single ship there is except the Normandy.

Good job, Cerberus.

[Someone With Mass]

Arkitekt wrote...

Doing just that: trying to stop the reapers.

That's funny, because it looks more like they're trying to sabotage everyone else's attempts at stopping the Reapers to me.

Besides, they're not trying to stop the Reapers at all. No, they have something even dumber in mind. Which is pretty consistent with everything else they've done.

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
No, they have something even dumber in mind. Which is pretty consistent with everything else they've done.

Yup that's Bioware for you.

[Andorfiend]

Arkitekt wrote...

I missed the part where TIM said he prevented the Alliance from "responding", and where he uncalibrated the alliance's towers. You know, the whole basis for your rant.

Yes, you did. Go play the game again. TIM explicitly states he's preventing the Aliiance/Council from finding out about the attack because he wants Shepard to get their first. He did not say he prevented the towers from being calibrated. That was a guess on my part. That's what the word 'speculation' means. Look it up if you don't believe me.

And it was an educated guess because how else do you explain Commander Alenko (who, in my last playthrough, is so technically competant he noticed an AI designed hack on a gambling terminal while just walking by) and an entire Alliance install team being unable to calibrate a laser. It's not like it's tricky. Active interference is the only reasonable explanation, and no one has a reason to interfere except TIM, who as his own dialogue clearly states, is willing to lose much of the colony so Shepard can go there and shoot some collectors for funs.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Of course we'll be fighting reapers in a ground war! Shep doesn't have rockets strapped to him and using the Normandy in a space battle along with the million other ships that's not what shep does, that's not what he's good at if there is a chance to take them out on foot or on a space station he'll do that and leave the space battles to Joker.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 30 novembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Doing just that: trying to stop the reapers.

That's funny, because it looks more like they're trying to sabotage everyone else's attempts at stopping the Reapers to me.

Besides, they're not trying to stop the Reapers at all. No, they have something even dumber in mind. Which is pretty consistent with everything else they've done.

I won't believe that until I actually play the game.

[Arkitekt]

Andorfiend wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

I missed the part where TIM said he prevented the Alliance from "responding", and where he uncalibrated the alliance's towers. You know, the whole basis for your rant.

Yes, you did. Go play the game again. TIM explicitly states he's preventing the Aliiance/Council from finding out about the attack because he wants Shepard to get their[sic] first.

No he does not say anything of this. He just won't agree to warn the citadel or the alliance about his reasoning on why Horizon is silent. He does not prevent the citadel or the Alliance to reach the conclusion he reached, since they have the same "data" he has: that the Horizon colony went silent. If Shep gets there first, then that's enough evidence that TIM is much more intelligent than the ****s at the Alliance or the Citadel who can't make simple maths.

[AlexMBrennan]

If a colony somewhere goes silent then odds are that it's something mundane; if a colony you know would be targeted by the enemy goes silent, then odds are that it's the enemy. So don't complain about the maths if you don't understand it either - this is a classical issue with all tests, and e.g. the reason why we'll never have face recogniction to catch terrorists.

[Arkitekt]

Please. TIM had a hint Horizon would be targeted next because he planted the info that Shep would be in the planet. TIM suspected the Collectors were highly interested in him. The Alliance was interested in the intel and sent Ashley or Kaidan to investigate Shepard and the connection to Cerberus and the missing colonies.

TIM did not prevent "anything". He manipulated the Alliance just as the Alliance tried to manipulate the events as well. You say that Kaidan suspected an AI interference. Whatever. That is no evidence whatsoever against TIM.

[111987]

General User wrote...

111987 wrote...

General User wrote...

111987 wrote...
Cerberus is only subject to their general desires, namely the advancement of humanity. Beyond that, their role in Cerberus is non-existent.

It is very rare to find a large organization where those who put up the money are the same as those who run things.

111987 wrote...
The Illusive Man is not a legitimate authority.

What would he have to do to become legitimate?

Be sanctioned/approved by the Alliance. And all that entails, i.e. supervision, direction, etc...

Governments are a dime a dozen, why must it be the Alliance?

The Alliance is the official government of humanity; that's why.

[General User]

There are many independent human colonies. 

All of whom have their own offical governments.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[111987]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

111987 wrote...

chaosomegas wrote...

so its a rogue black ops organization with unlimited money and intel.

Nope. That entire statement is wrong.

Nope. Your entire statments is wrong about his statment being wrong.

If you read all the new information about Cerberus, you'd realize that whole black ops thing has been retconned. There are likely still some connections, but TIM has never been beholden to the Alliance.

[Andorfiend]

General User wrote...

There are many independent human colonies. 

All of whom have their own offical governments.

Apparently so, but this does violate ME 1 right in the codex.