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[Sgt Stryker]

That can easily be interpreted as Kahoku simply having incorrect information about Cerberus. Sometimes dialogue is unreliable.

[Sgt Stryker]

Out-of-universe, yeah.

[Sgt Stryker]

Yeah, but that's not a surprise to me, given their clandestine nature. (Fancy golden logos and catsuits notwithstanding)

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You are being very childish.

Not really. It's a pretty legit concern, considering that the Reapers can hack wireless networks and turn things like mechs and turrets against us.

In other words, pretty much the same things EDI can do since she's based on Reaper tech.

"But they can't mass-produce things like that!"

To which I can just say: Says who?

Just remove all the redundant functions like crew interaction and things like that and make it an AI which only foucses on cyberwarfare and nothing else. 

Besides, people make AIs all the damn time in Mass Effect. Some are even created by accident. Or most, I should say.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 novembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The black ops origin is so much more interesting. It helps keep Cerberus gray instead of making them cartoonishly evil. Though... um, let us say, I am confident ME3 will push them into COBRA scale evil anyway.

THe problem with the "Black-ops" origin is that it runs counter with the Illusive man in a way.

[Someone With Mass]

Lizardviking wrote...

THe problem with the "Black-ops" origin is that it runs counter with the Illusive man in a way.

And we all know how much circlejerking Mac Walters does because of him.

[Dean_the_Young]

Not really, Lizardviking.

Have the Illusive Man involved in setting up the Black Ops group due to his connections with General Williams and the Alliance Brass. Illusive Man is either in charge of the Black Ops division as a whole, or a high-level administrator/supervisor who works to increase his own influence, expanding the organization to his tastes even as he carries out the tasks his Alliance superiors give him to do. He builds up the resources, connections, spy networks, and front-economy that makes Cerberus Black Ops so untrackable to the Alliance... but also potentially independent.

A few months before ME1, after decades of planing and preparations, the Illusive Man cuts the knot and the Cerberus Black Ops go rogue. The Alliance realizes that 'their' group is now the Illusive Man's... and figures that accepting this in quiet and keeping the secret of the origin is better than coming out and admiting the truth. Which really wouldn't do anything.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 30 novembre 2011 - 05:16 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Not really, Lizardviking.

Have the Illusive Man involved in setting up the Black Ops group due to his connections with General Williams and the Alliance Brass. Illusive Man is either in charge of the Black Ops division as a whole, or a high-level administrator/supervisor who works to increase his own influence, expanding the organization to his tastes even as he carries out the tasks his Alliance superiors give him to do. He builds up the resources, connections, spy networks, and front-economy that makes Cerberus Black Ops so untrackable to the Alliance... but also potentially independent.

A few months before ME1, after decades of planing and preparations, the Illusive Man cuts the knot and the Cerberus Black Ops go rogue. The Alliance realizes that 'their' group is now the Illusive Man's... and figures that accepting this in quiet and keeping the secret of the origin is better than coming out and admiting the truth. Which really wouldn't do anything.

I guess it could work. But I still have trouble seeing the Alliance accepting some stranger they don't know anything about to lead their group.

[General User]

I thought Jack Harper was a fairly prominent individual even prior to the First Contact War. He certainly distinguished himself during.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 05:51 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Lizardviking wrote...

I guess it could work. But I still have trouble seeing the Alliance accepting some stranger they don't know anything about to lead their group.

He's not a stranger, however. He's already been working with them beforehand, and has already been involved in happenings too secret to be made public knowledge.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I guess it could work. But I still have trouble seeing the Alliance accepting some stranger they don't know anything about to lead their group.

He's not a stranger, however. He's already been working with them beforehand, and has already been involved in happenings too secret to be made public knowledge.

But that kinda ruins the whole "no one knows his name" thing he's got going for him.

[Dean_the_Young]

Plus, there are more than a few years to arrange things so that all the people who knew 'Jack Harper is the Illusive Man' are, well, dead. Of natural causes or 'natural causes.'

Given that he doesn't lead a double-life and is TIM all day, even knowing his real name doesn't exactly expose him to new dangers.

[Arkitekt]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But that kinda ruins the whole "no one knows his name" thing he's got going for him.

I think you take that a little too literally. He's a human, not a god. He had parents, a childhood, and an identity before he shed it to lead Cerberus.

Jack Harper is most assuredly unknown to most Alliance personnel as the real identity of TIM. Perhaps only those who are in the payroll of Cerberus (or not even those) or some intelligence deep inside Alliance hierarchy will know his real name and link him to whatever war and feats he has done in the past.

But I see people are still harping on the idiotic line of "But EDI wasn't shared to the Alliance, those Cerberus bastards!!", when it's ****ing obvious why not, because the main reason is spoonfed in both games for chrissakes.

[Arkitekt]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Plus, there are more than a few years to arrange things so that all the people who knew 'Jack Harper is the Illusive Man' are, well, dead. Of natural causes or 'natural causes.'

Given that he doesn't lead a double-life and is TIM all day, even knowing his real name doesn't exactly expose him to new dangers.

They would know his appearance. (and if so, they would have recognized him in the assault inside Retribution. And killed him)

Modifié par Arkitekt, 30 novembre 2011 - 06:15 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Arkitekt wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Plus, there are more than a few years to arrange things so that all the people who knew 'Jack Harper is the Illusive Man' are, well, dead. Of natural causes or 'natural causes.'

Given that he doesn't lead a double-life and is TIM all day, even knowing his real name doesn't exactly expose him to new dangers.

They would know his appearance.

The Illusive Man doesn't go out in public, so his appearance doesn't matter now: it won't help anyone catch him. Jack Harper disappeared decades ago, and all records about him (and thus connecting him to the Alliance) could well be gone.

You'll have to elaborate on what else you were thinking that creates a problem for.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ah, you edited.

Arkitekt wrote...

(and if so, they would have recognized him in the assault inside Retribution. And killed him)

They were trying to kill him anyway.

[Arkitekt]

Yeah, but it's not like they pressed much. Had they known his identity, things might have gone differently with the troops calling each other saying "We got him here! Help us we got him he's right here!!" or smth of the sort.

[Sgt Stryker]

Arkitekt wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But that kinda ruins the whole "no one knows his name" thing he's got going for him.

I think you take that a little too literally. He's a human, not a god. He had parents, a childhood, and an identity before he shed it to lead Cerberus.

Jack Harper is most assuredly unknown to most Alliance personnel as the real identity of TIM. Perhaps only those who are in the payroll of Cerberus (or not even those) or some intelligence deep inside Alliance hierarchy will know his real name and link him to whatever war and feats he has done in the past.

But I see people are still harping on the idiotic line of "But EDI wasn't shared to the Alliance, those Cerberus bastards!!", when it's ****ing obvious why not, because the main reason is spoonfed in both games for chrissakes.

Are you referring to the fact that AI's cannot be copied?