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[111987]

DPSSOC wrote...

At the end of Arrival Hackett will point out that the Alliance has not been getting ready, is not ready, and probably won't be ready, to face a Reaper invasion.

Actually, Hackett doesn't say they haven't been getting ready. Even though officially the Alliance doesn't accept the Reaper threat is real, there are several people at the very top of the Alliance chain of command whom do believe the Reapers are coming. Because of this, the Alliance likely has been increasing the size/sophistication of their military, albeit for reasons that offcially do not have anything to do with the Reapers.

Examples of this include Admiral Hackett forbidding the Alliance to bring in Shepard for working with Cerberus (as seen in the Shadow Broker Dossiers), and more significantly, the news story where the Alliance reverses its policy on the increased production of Turian dreadnaughts, as they believe "the threats of the 22nd and 23rd centuries [Earth standard] will be external to the signatories of the Treaty of Farixen."

Modifié par 111987, 03 décembre 2011 - 01:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think any race can truly be ready for the Reaper invasion.

[111987]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think any race can truly be ready for the Reaper invasion.

Definitely not, and I wasn't trying to imply that they were. Just that they weren't exactly twiddling their thumbs.

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...
Definitely not, and I wasn't trying to imply that they were. Just that they weren't exactly twiddling their thumbs.

True.

Though, how anyone could think that after watching this is beyond me.

They were gathering pretty much every single ship they had around Earth's orbit.

Not much you can do besides that.

[DPSSOC]

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...
Definitely not, and I wasn't trying to imply that they were. Just that they weren't exactly twiddling their thumbs.

True.

Though, how anyone could think that after watching this is beyond me.

They were gathering pretty much every single ship they had around Earth's orbit.

Not much you can do besides that.

Keep in mind that that clip would be taking place after the events of Arrival (where Shepard has presumably convinced the Alliance that the end is coming) so they're gathering their forces.  If you tell me a group of people is coming to assault my family and steal my home and I round up and arm everyone with whatever weapons are at hand that is not an indication I've been preparing for this.

Now I haven't caught the news story 111987 mentioned (I don't usually check the terminals, and when I do or hear it on Illium or Omega it's just the same 5 stories over and over) so maybe there are other stories I'm not getting that give a better indication but I've seen nothing to suggest the Alliance has increased military production, or that Turian military production increases except in the Renegade universe (and that seems to suggest a human/turian cold war).

[111987]

DPSSOC wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...
Definitely not, and I wasn't trying to imply that they were. Just that they weren't exactly twiddling their thumbs.

True.

Though, how anyone could think that after watching this is beyond me.

They were gathering pretty much every single ship they had around Earth's orbit.

Not much you can do besides that.

Keep in mind that that clip would be taking place after the events of Arrival (where Shepard has presumably convinced the Alliance that the end is coming) so they're gathering their forces.  If you tell me a group of people is coming to assault my family and steal my home and I round up and arm everyone with whatever weapons are at hand that is not an indication I've been preparing for this.

Now I haven't caught the news story 111987 mentioned (I don't usually check the terminals, and when I do or hear it on Illium or Omega it's just the same 5 stories over and over) so maybe there are other stories I'm not getting that give a better indication but I've seen nothing to suggest the Alliance has increased military production, or that Turian military production increases except in the Renegade universe (and that seems to suggest a human/turian cold war).

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus_Daily_News#03.2F28.2F2011_-_Systems_Alliance_Reverses_Stance_on_Turian_Dreadnought_Construction

I believe this story exists regardless of the Renegade/Paragon Council choice.

[Cloaking_Thane]

The books shed alot of light into Cerberus as well. No defending them really.

[DPSSOC]

111987 wrote...

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus_Daily_News#03.2F28.2F2011_-_Systems_Alliance_Reverses_Stance_on_Turian_Dreadnought_Construction

I believe this story exists regardless of the Renegade/Paragon Council choice.

And this explains everything.  I thought you were talking about in game news (Citadel News Net and the terminals) but now it makes sense how I missed this one.  Prior to the shutdown of CDN I was playing on a rather small SD screen and couldn't read the damn things.  Now do I care enough to go back and review all of them on the off chance there's something important I'm missing?





No, no I do not, thanks for the link.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 03 décembre 2011 - 04:16 .

[CerberusWarrior]

I would rather work with someone that gives a dam about humanity than a group who cries about 300,000 alines dieing

[111987]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

I would rather work with someone that gives a dam about humanity than a group who cries about 300,000 alines dieing

I don't recall anyone crying at the end of Arrival...do you?

[CerberusWarrior]

111987 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

I would rather work with someone that gives a dam about humanity than a group who cries about 300,000 alines dieing

I don't recall anyone crying at the end of Arrival...do you?

  


No Hackett was just very sorry to hear about the deaths of the alien scum bags . I'm not sorry hell my Shepard would do it all over to save humanity .

[MisterJB]

I have defended the need for a pro-human black ops group but I definitively would not like to work with someone who can just shrug off the deaths of 300,000 people. Not to mention the serious consequences of destroying a system.

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:45 .

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...

I don't recall anyone crying at the end of Arrival...do you?

I don't.

I just saw someone that was worried about the consequences of Shepard's actions and how it could be bad for humanity in the future. Wouldn't call that crying.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Anyone can defend Cerberus... it just depends on what you're defending them for:

For whatever reason, they saved Shepard from the Collectors.

For whatever reason, they revived Shepard who would otherwise be dead (a universe-killing fate)

For whatever reason, they were the only group to help stop the Collectors.

Consequently, for whatever reason... Cerberus has saved the universe (or given it a chance) at least once so far.


Without Cerberus' post Shepard-death contributions, the galaxy would be doomed.  Deal with it.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:51 .

[Someone With Mass]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Anyone can defend Cerberus... it just depends on what you're defending them for:

For whatever reason, they saved Shepard from the Collectors.

For whatever reason, they revived Shepard who would otherwise be dead (a universe-killing fate)

For whatever reason, they were the only group to help stop the Collectors.

Consequently, for whatever reason... Cerberus has saved the universe (or given it a chance) at least once so far.


Without Cerberus' post Shepard-death contributions, the galaxy would be doomed.  Deal with it.

That doesn't make anything they do after that any more justified, though.

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

That doesn't make anything they do after that any more justified, though.

Depending on your internal moral compass nothing they do may ever be justified.

Saphra, are you implying moral relativism?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Depending on your internal moral compass nothing they do may ever be justified.

Unless they're actually helping war refugees instead of torturing them and performing sick experiments on them and are actually contributing to the war effort instead of trying to make it all come crumbling down just because it doesn't match their goals. Then I might call their actions justified.

Alas, we all know that will never happen. Because then Cerberus would be compentent, and we can't have that.

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Saphra, are you implying moral relativism?

Why yes.

Alrighty then.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Anyone can defend Cerberus... it just depends on what you're defending them for:

For whatever reason, they saved Shepard from the Collectors.

For whatever reason, they revived Shepard who would otherwise be dead (a universe-killing fate)

For whatever reason, they were the only group to help stop the Collectors.

Consequently, for whatever reason... Cerberus has saved the universe (or given it a chance) at least once so far.


Without Cerberus' post Shepard-death contributions, the galaxy would be doomed.  Deal with it.

That doesn't make anything they do after that any more justified, though.

Can't see the forest from the trees... Cerberus has their faults and are not saints... but without them, the galaxy would already be beyond saving.  I'm not trying to justify all Cerberus actions... but I can defend Cerberus itself:

"That should be all the evidence you need." -Shepard

[AlexXIV]

Even being anti-Cerberus I think it is a valid point to say the universe probably owes Cerberus for bringing back Shepard. Even if their motivations probably have been less than selfless. Defending the bad things they did? Impossible imo. Defending them in general because of the good things they have done? Possible.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Depending on your internal moral compass nothing they do may ever be justified.

Unless they're actually helping war refugees instead of torturing them and performing sick experiments on them and are actually contributing to the war effort instead of trying to make it all come crumbling down just because it doesn't match their goals. Then I might call their actions justified.

Why should they help if it is does not serve their goals? They are not a charity.

Right, I am not charity either, that's why I never help anyone.