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[TwistedComplex]

I like Cerberus BECAUSE they're xenophobic...

Humans are the master race, they would have destroyed the turians long ago if the counsel didnt restrict the number of ships they could have

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Depending on your internal moral compass nothing they do may ever be justified.

Unless they're actually helping war refugees instead of torturing them and performing sick experiments on them and are actually contributing to the war effort instead of trying to make it all come crumbling down just because it doesn't match their goals. Then I might call their actions justified.

Why should they help if it is does not serve their goals? They are not a charity.

Right, I am not charity either, that's why I never help anyone.

I'm still uncertain as to how much of those experiments are the result of a Cerberus order or simply the crazy idea of one of their operators.  We all know now that TIM has a very limited sphere of control in reality.

Like what happened to David Archer... that was not TIM's or Cerberus' idea... that was Dr. Gavin Archer's idea.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 03 décembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why should they help if it is does not serve their goals? They are not a charity.

Well, then it's funny how they're claiming to defend humanity when they aren't...you know, ACTUALLY DEFENDING IT in a forward manner that doesn't require any of their cloak and dagger bull****.

Send supplies or intel to different military factions like the Alliance or the turians. That way, they'd actually contribute and it would buy them some time to do whatever it is that they want to do.

But that would require a military strategist that isn't a total Napoleon.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Honestly, unless you are genre savvy (and nobody in Mass Effect should be) then why would you think that hooking up a human brain to a VI would cause such a potent disaster? It's the kind of the over the top **** that only happens in science fiction.

And horror... ideas always have to go horribly wrong there

[Someone With Mass]

TwistedComplex wrote...

I like Cerberus BECAUSE they're xenophobic...

Humans are the master race, they would have destroyed the turians long ago if the counsel didnt restrict the number of ships they could have

It's funny how the turians are holding the Reapers back while humanity isn't, then.

Oh, right. That's becaus the turians have a much larger military force than the humans.

You're just kidding yourself if you actually think the humans could've won the full-scale war that would have happened if the Council hadn't intervened during the First Contact War.

Maybe in a story where the "good guys" always wins.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well, seeing as they are hunted as outlaws, they can hardly support an army-... oh wait, never mind. They do have one and they are using it to defend humanity (who knows where they got it from though). It's just not a defense you like, or most people for that matter. From their perspective they're staying true to their goals however.

They won't help the allies fight the Reapers because for some reason they've come to the conclusion that the allies fighting the Reapers successfully runs counter to their own goals. Don't ask me why I don't know why and I don't think it makes sense. That's why I call it bad writing.

That's because Cerberus' ultimate goal is ****ing stupid.

Then again, given the colossal retard who is running the whole show, that isn't surprising at all.

By the way, they have only themselves to blame for becoming declared terrorists. Plan for the future. Don't try to make your own.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Honestly, unless you are genre savvy (and nobody in Mass Effect should be) then why would you think that hooking up a human brain to a VI would cause such a potent disaster? It's the kind of the over the top **** that only happens in science fiction.

TIM could do at least two things to make sure such things don't happen. For once, establish rules, and secondly, check on people whether they follow them. But frankly TIM does not care how they get results as long as they do. He only has a problem if things go wrong. Then he is acting all 'I didn't know that' like. TIM doesn't seem to me like a man who doesn't know what is going on around him and beyond.

Not that it would prevent such things at all, but at least you could say there was an effort to avoid them.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 03 décembre 2011 - 04:07 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Is it? Their ultimate goal is the best outcome of the game, remember? The Paragon outcome, at that.

Yeah, no. That's not the best outcome of the game.

Especially when Cerberus gets what's coming to them in the end.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Wow, that's one of the most uninspiring things I've ever read. I think I'm going to put that in my signature.

Wasn't trying to be inspiring, but if you really were that touched by it, go ahead.

[TwistedComplex]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

I like Cerberus BECAUSE they're xenophobic...

Humans are the master race, they would have destroyed the turians long ago if the counsel didnt restrict the number of ships they could have

It's funny how the turians are holding the Reapers back while humanity isn't, then.

Oh, right. That's becaus the turians have a much larger military force than the humans.

You're just kidding yourself if you actually think the humans could've won the full-scale war that would have happened if the Council hadn't intervened during the First Contact War.

Maybe in a story where the "good guys" always wins.

The turian military and the human military are about the same size in terms of numbers

Only difference is turians have manditory service for everyone, the human military only consists of 3% of all humans

Want to beat the turians? Leave the counsel, bring back the draft for 60% of all humans

Zerg the s*** out of their planet

Game over

[Someone With Mass]

TwistedComplex wrote...

The turian military and the human military are about the same size in terms of numbers

Only difference is turians have manditory service for everyone, the human military only consists of 3% of all humans

Want to beat the turians? Leave the counsel, bring back the draft for 60% of all humans

Zerg the s*** out of their planet

Game over

Right. While they're bombing humanity's colonies beyond repair. So much good that pathetic little rush will do you.

And leave the Council? Yeah, that will never have any political ramifications at all.

[TwistedComplex]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Given that turians are a member of the Council, I imagine that attacking them would result in being forced to take on the asari and salarians too. Rather formidable odds.

The counsel doesn't have anything the humans haven't already mastered

Unlike the turians who specialize in assault tactics, the solarians who specialize in stealth and the asari who specialize in using mass effect, the humans can do all 3

No species has as big of a population. Need more? Just clone a few billion since human DNA is the most flexible of any race, oh yeah, did i mention that as well?

[TwistedComplex]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

The turian military and the human military are about the same size in terms of numbers

Only difference is turians have manditory service for everyone, the human military only consists of 3% of all humans

Want to beat the turians? Leave the counsel, bring back the draft for 60% of all humans

Zerg the s*** out of their planet

Game over

Right. While they're bombing humanity's colonies beyond repair. So much good that pathetic little rush will do you.

And leave the Council? Yeah, that will never have any political ramifications at all.

That's the worst rebuttal i ever heard

"OH YEAH WELL.. NYEEUGH, ENJOY YOUR BOMBS"

[Someone With Mass]

TwistedComplex wrote...

The counsel doesn't have anything the humans haven't already mastered

Unlike the turians who specialize in assault tactics, the solarians who specialize in stealth and the asari who specialize in using mass effect, the humans can do all 3

No species has as big of a population. Need more? Just clone a few billion since human DNA is the most flexible of any race, oh yeah, did i mention that as well?

Except for the asari, salarians and the turians.

The asari alone have a population reaching to the billions.

Yeah, let's make those clones. Never mind that it takes several years to grow one to the point where he can be useful and think strategically for himself.

And considering that the salarians and the turians stopped the krogans with pretty much the flip of a switch and pretty much neutered their whole race, good luck.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh but it is. The dev docs even say so.

Nope. I actually think a good ending is when a mistake like the Reapers can't be repeated again.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh I see. YOUR idea of a good ending. Well you're entitled to your opinion but the docs reveal what the developers feel is the best ending.

Coming from the one who thinks that the Reapers are our "salvation", that's not saying much.

Sure that it's not just the one with the most lines that makes you think that it's best ending?

[Someone With Mass]

Yes, you can set the automated modes to get you towards the best ending, but it doesn't specify which one it is, since there are several endings showed in the same document.

[111987]

TwistedComplex wrote...

I like Cerberus BECAUSE they're xenophobic...

Humans are the master race, they would have destroyed the turians long ago if the counsel didnt restrict the number of ships they could have

Nah, humans are more like the jack of all trades, master of none race.

Asari have the most powerful Biotics.
Salarians are the most intelligent.
Turians have the best military.
Quarians are the most technologically adept.
Krogan are the strongest.