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mauro2222 wrote...

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One would only say that If they are not in a hostal envirment that does not need the tools.


I didn't say that technology is bad or must be eradicated, it's our mean to survive in the open. Technology are our claws, our muscle, our speed, our poison.

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Also, the consept of the ideal is limited by the tech. What if the teck
letyou be one with everyone else more than you can ever imagion, to the
point you truelly understand everyone, to the point that all that is
left is perspective?


I'm talking with Helios now? :P

1.I understand. I'm just saying to make your self  a tool with out reason is pointless. Be the thing is, technology is how we evolve now. Liek Mordin said....http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VJIQfmWx3dI#t=106s...

2. Ha, Ha...Butr what I'm saying is that doing what I stated would make us like the geth. The reapers whant to make us like the Geth. And we seen some example of that on the derlic ship with the people on it sharing Memories.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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I can't beleive I'm saying this but...I agree. The reason why is the consept of growth of technology.


Someone else who understands. I'm amazed.

I don't want to submit to Reapers. I would prefer to defeat them. I want humans to be the masters of their own destiny. However that may not be realistic. However there is a way. TIM has the right idea.

I'm not say TIM has the right Idea.(What ever it is, I did not read the spoilers.)I think he understands that even if we beat the reapers, no matter what they are our future.

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Interesting, true on what you said. I'm keeping it short. All I know is I dislike Cerberous and racist people.

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SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Interesting, true on what you said. I'm keeping it short. All I know is I dislike Cerberous and racist people.

So do I.....But we still would not beable to fight the reapers if they weren't here...

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Sigh.... may be this is the 500th regarding this. It's so boring to see same kind of "Cerberus threads" popping time to time. Just saying...

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dreman9999 wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Interesting, true on what you said. I'm keeping it short. All I know is I dislike Cerberous and racist people.

So do I.....But we still would not beable to fight the reapers if they weren't here...

Noted. This doesn't obviate trying to kill us now.

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dreman9999 wrote...

1.I understand. I'm just saying to make your self  a tool with out reason is pointless. Be the thing is, technology is how we evolve now. Liek Mordin said....http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VJIQfmWx3dI#t=106s...

2. Ha, Ha...Butr what I'm saying is that doing what I stated would make us like the geth. The reapers whant to make us like the Geth. And we seen some example of that on the derlic ship with the people on it sharing Memories.


1º Yes, in fact technology affects our evolution too. Our tech changes due to our biology and, in time, our biology changes due to our tech.

2º But you cease to exist as a free individual... if it were like Helios wants, it would be scary, I know, sharing thoughts and emotions at the speed of light without the use of words (here you have an example of tech changing our biology, we don't use anymore our mouths to communicate)... but actually it's better and you are still you.

Modifié par mauro2222, 12 novembre 2011 - 05:25 .


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mauro2222 wrote...

2º But you cease to exist as a free individual... if it were like Helios wants, it would be scary,


It would be scary? Get over it. Fire was scary to master, but we did it.

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If I were to kill you and everyone else on earth and turn all of your toenails into sculptures of birds would you still exist? Would you have mastered me?

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=P Like right now, reducing human speech for hand-eye coordination and thought for post in a forum than using MyFace (off-line network, free to use, no pop-ups, only need to be within distance to see me). We are becoming the geth!!!!
..Lol.

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Yuoaman wrote...

If I were to kill you and everyone else on earth and turn all of your toenails into sculptures of birds would you still exist? Would you have mastered me?


No and that isn't what the Reapers do.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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If I were to kill you and everyone else on earth and turn all of your toenails into sculptures of birds would you still exist? Would you have mastered me?


No and that isn't what the Reapers do.


They use our genetic material to create a new Reaper. They aren't human, we are more than just genetic material.

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Yuoaman wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

If I were to kill you and everyone else on earth and turn all of your toenails into sculptures of birds would you still exist? Would you have mastered me?


No and that isn't what the Reapers do.


They use our genetic material to create a new Reaper. They aren't human, we are more than just genetic material.




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Yuoaman wrote...

They use our genetic material to create a new Reaper. They aren't human, we are more than just genetic material.


Sure, but I don't think you actually understand what you are saying.

We are more than our genetic material in so far as we are the concepts imagined and created by that material.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

If I were to kill you and everyone else on earth and turn all of your toenails into sculptures of birds would you still exist? Would you have mastered me?


No and that isn't what the Reapers do.


They use our genetic material to create a new Reaper. They aren't human, we are more than just genetic material.





Legion says that it is "one hypothesis among many", and they haven't really gotten any real information to conclusively know for certain at that point.

And who's to say the uploaded minds would remain as they are?

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mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.I understand. I'm just saying to make your self  a tool with out reason is pointless. Be the thing is, technology is how we evolve now. Liek Mordin said....http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VJIQfmWx3dI#t=106s...

2. Ha, Ha...Butr what I'm saying is that doing what I stated would make us like the geth. The reapers whant to make us like the Geth. And we seen some example of that on the derlic ship with the people on it sharing Memories.


1º Yes, in fact technology affects our evolution too. Our tech changes due to our biology and, in time, our biology changes due to our tech.

2º But you cease to exist as a free individual... if it were like Helios wants, it would be scary, I know, sharing thoughts and emotions at the speed of light without the use of words (here you have an example of tech changing our biology, we don't use anymore our mouths to communicate)... but actually it's better and you are still you.

1. Whichis why the reapers are our future.
2.Not ture at all. The only thing lost is the consept of being alone. Thr geth are still free individual, which is clear in the very fact that they can disagree with one another. The problem is that that reapers want to force the change.

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Why do the minds need to remain as they are? Nobody promised you immortality.

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Except they would cease to be human at that point. We are defined by our experiences and the way we think.

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Yuoaman wrote...

Except they would cease to be human at that point. We are defined by our experiences and the way we think.


Yes, they will cease to be human. A human is just a ****** sapien. It is a young creature and will soon invent itself out of existence.

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I seriously just don't even have a ****ing clue sometimes.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Except they would cease to be human at that point. We are defined by our experiences and the way we think.


Yes, they will cease to be human. A human is just a ****** sapien. It is a young creature and will soon invent itself out of existence.


So how can you call an organization a "defender of humanity" when it wants to hasten the very thing that will destroy our humanity?

-Polaris

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IanPolaris wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Except they would cease to be human at that point. We are defined by our experiences and the way we think.


Yes, they will cease to be human. A human is just a ****** sapien. It is a young creature and will soon invent itself out of existence.


So how can you call an organization a "defender of humanity" when it wants to hasten the very thing that will destroy our humanity?

-Polaris


Because of Insane Troll Logic.

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dreman9999 wrote...

1. Whichis why the reapers are our future.
2.Not ture at all. The only thing lost is the consept of being alone. Thr geth are still free individual, which is clear in the very fact that they can disagree with one another. The problem is that that reapers want to force the change.


1. Maybe, but not the Reapers we know, they are not our tech... and our culture is not ready.

2. I was talking about the reapers, the geth are one being, they always have been. They don't disagree because they aren't individuals, they reach concensus based on the data gathered by mobile platforms, they are still one being that gathers all information from it's roots, and then, it decides the most logical path. They may have become 2 different individuals when they separated in true geth and heretic geth. But we still don't know how that happened.
The reapers take all individuals and force them to be one.

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Yuoaman wrote...

I seriously just don't even have a ****ing clue sometimes.


That much is obvious.


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So how can you call an organization a "defender of humanity" when it wants to hasten the very thing that will destroy our humanity?

-Polaris


Humanity and humans are not necessarily the same thing. What will be in the future will not be human but it will be humanity. The next stage of human if you will. Our cousins, our descendants.

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Is Cerberus a useful organization? Sure. After all, they brought Shepard back from the dead. Are they by any means a good organization? Hell no, and I would relish the chance to blow it up.

Humanity needs to be on par with the council races, but that will take time, not terrorism and douchebaggery.