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[BadgerladDK]

annihilator27 wrote...

Ohh that roarish sound.

Yeah, that one pretty much screamed "reapers gonna reap" at the kid, he was doomed as soon as the piano set in, but but the other stuff sealed the deal.

[Had-to-say]

I like the fact that it is left up to interpretation.

[mango smoothie]

I personally think the boy is real, but I would love to be wrong and have it be Shepard going through mental problems.

[CptBomBom00]

I might agree with OP, because if the boy was real, the scene at the shuttles, someone would forced him into one a soldier perhaps,but on the other hand he might be real, as it was said OP doesn't have evidence to support this, and therefore we are force in to only speculating.

[Element Engine]

That scene was a bit.. weird. The idea of the kid being a vision/hallucination isn't so farfetched.

[robarcool]

Now only if some Bioware guy throws some post here to either clarify the doubt or to further mystify it! I think the latter will be better!

[mango smoothie]

Arcian wrote...

Intro boy? I thought we agreed to call him the Shuttle Kid.

Intro boy sounds cooler.

[DarkPsylocke26]

The boy is real, because I read somewhere I don't remember where, but the boy goes into the shuttle and the reaper it me alexia

[DarkPsylocke26]

alexia alexia alexia it me

[BatmanPWNS]

mango smoothie wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Intro boy? I thought we agreed to call him the Shuttle Kid.

Intro boy sounds cooler.

Everytime someone says Intro boy I want to reply 'Astro Boy?'

[Merchant2006]

People are seriously digging into this too much. I suppose we're all fans at heart but these sorta threads make me feel like I'm going insane more than Shepard 'supposedly' is... heh. I'm going to now go and have a constructive conversation with DMagnum now.

[robarcool]

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

The boy is real, because I read somewhere I don't remember where, but the boy goes into the shuttle and the reaper it me alexia

Well, you read it (most probably at IGN) and that is exactly what the beta video shows, or at least tries to make us believe. I for one don't give it much weightage whether the boy is real or not, but the fact remains that if he is not, then there are indicators of it in the video as there are to show otherwise.

Modifié par robarcool, 13 novembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[Bluko]

I'm pretty sure he isn't real.

For starters Shepard has now had several close encounters with Reaper objects. (Especially in Arrival...)Shepard has to be suffering some degree of indoctrination. (Much like T.I.M. seems to be as well.) Unless Shepard's brain has some sort of magical shielding they have to be experiencing some effect. Also where does the hologram of Harbinger come from?

Face it: the Reapers are in Shepard's brain. The fact Harbinger was able to talk to you in Arrival is proof of it.

Obviously the Reapers don't have full control over Shepard as he/she hasn't been in close enough contact to have been fully subjected to the brain washing. However the Reapers do have the minimal connection now  to whisper into Shepard's mind. No doubt they will try to break Shepard's will by subversive means as outright confrontation would strengthen Shepard's resolve to fight them. (Hence no Harbinger babble.)

Creating a hallucination of a "lost boy" is a perfect means to achieve this. Notice how the boy in the vents says the situation is hopeless. Also it's very suspect that the boy would not come with Shepard. I mean you're stuck in a vent and a soldier offers to get you out of there. Are you really going to keep hiding even though you've seen buildings blown up already? It's not like Shepard is wearing a mask or is all that menancing when offering to help the kid.

Even if you do buy the boy's behavior, there's the fact that Anderson doesn't notice him at all. Anderson may be a "duty first" person but even he wouldn't leave a child behind like that. Also the boy disappears very fast after Shepard looks away. Crawling through vents is noisy and slow you can't just up and vanish. Also no one mentions the presence of the boy earlier at all. And why is a seemingly orphan child running around an Alliance Base with no supervision?

Also the boys appearence is in perfect timing with the Reapers arrival. It's very possible that the Reapers proximity is why they can induce such a thing on Shepard's mind. And as Phoenix mentioned nobody notices or helps the boy climbing into the shuttle. What's up with that? Sure the situation is chaotic, but surely the shuttle guard would have helped him in. Then it just so happens the boy that said "everyone's dying" gets killed by a Reaper.


And finally does no one notice the parallel this boy has to default Shepard? Default Shepard grew up as an orphan in much the same conditions. The boy to me seems a young version of Shepard. What better way to undermine someone's confidence then to have an innocent child version of themselves question their fighting resolve.

[robarcool]

Bluko wrote...

I'm pretty sure he isn't real.

For starters Shepard has now had several close encounters with Reaper objects. (Especially in Arrival...)Shepard has to be suffering some degree of indoctrination. (Much like T.I.M. seems to be as well.) Unless Shepard's brain has some sort of magical shielding they have to be experiencing some effect. Also where does the hologram of Harbinger come from?

Face it: the Reapers are in Shepard's brain. The fact Harbinger was able to talk to you in Arrival is proof of it.

Obviously the Reapers don't have full control over Shepard as he/she hasn't been in close enough contact to have been fully subjected to the brain washing. However the Reapers do have the minimal connection now  to whisper into Shepard's mind. No doubt they will try to break Shepard's will by subversive means as outright confrontation would strengthen Shepard's resolve to fight them. (Hence no Harbinger babble.)

Creating a hallucination of a "lost boy" is a perfect means to achieve this. Notice how the boy in the vents says the situation is hopeless. Also it's very suspect that the boy would not come with Shepard. I mean you're stuck in a vent and a soldier offers to get you out of there. Are you really going to keep hiding even though you've seen buildings blown up already? It's not like Shepard is wearing a mask or is all that menancing when offering to help the kid.

Even if you do buy the boy's behavior, there's the fact that Anderson doesn't notice him at all. Anderson may be a "duty first" person but even he wouldn't leave a child behind like that. Also the boy disappears very fast after Shepard looks away. Crawling through vents is noisy and slow you can't just up and vanish. Also no one mentions the presence of the boy earlier at all. And why is a seemingly orphan child running around an Alliance Base with no supervision?

Also the boys appearence is in perfect timing with the Reapers arrival. It's very possible that the Reapers proximity is why they can induce such a thing on Shepard's mind. And as Phoenix mentioned nobody notices or helps the boy climbing into the shuttle. What's up with that? Sure the situation is chaotic, but surely the shuttle guard would have helped him in. Then it just so happens the boy that said "everyone's dying" gets killed by a Reaper.


And finally does no one notice the parallel this boy has to default Shepard? Default Shepard grew up as an orphan in much the same conditions. The boy to me seems a young version of Shepard. What better way to undermine someone's confidence then to have an innocent child version of themselves question their fighting resolve.

That was sarcasm at the ones who believe that the boy isn't real, right? Otherwise, it doesn't make sense if you were serious!

Modifié par robarcool, 13 novembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[onelifecrisis]

Bluko wrote...

I'm pretty sure he isn't real.

For starters Shepard has now had several close encounters with Reaper objects. (Especially in Arrival...)Shepard has to be suffering some degree of indoctrination. (Much like T.I.M. seems to be as well.) Unless Shepard's brain has some sort of magical shielding they have to be experiencing some effect. Also where does the hologram of Harbinger come from?

Face it: the Reapers are in Shepard's brain. The fact Harbinger was able to talk to you in Arrival is proof of it.

Obviously the Reapers don't have full control over Shepard as he/she hasn't been in close enough contact to have been fully subjected to the brain washing. However the Reapers do have the minimal connection now  to whisper into Shepard's mind. No doubt they will try to break Shepard's will by subversive means as outright confrontation would strengthen Shepard's resolve to fight them. (Hence no Harbinger babble.)

Creating a hallucination of a "lost boy" is a perfect means to achieve this. Notice how the boy in the vents says the situation is hopeless. Also it's very suspect that the boy would not come with Shepard. I mean you're stuck in a vent and a soldier offers to get you out of there. Are you really going to keep hiding even though you've seen buildings blown up already? It's not like Shepard is wearing a mask or is all that menancing when offering to help the kid.

Even if you do buy the boy's behavior, there's the fact that Anderson doesn't notice him at all. Anderson may be a "duty first" person but even he wouldn't leave a child behind like that. Also the boy disappears very fast after Shepard looks away. Crawling through vents is noisy and slow you can't just up and vanish. Also no one mentions the presence of the boy earlier at all. And why is a seemingly orphan child running around an Alliance Base with no supervision?

Also the boys appearence is in perfect timing with the Reapers arrival. It's very possible that the Reapers proximity is why they can induce such a thing on Shepard's mind. And as Phoenix mentioned nobody notices or helps the boy climbing into the shuttle. What's up with that? Sure the situation is chaotic, but surely the shuttle guard would have helped him in. Then it just so happens the boy that said "everyone's dying" gets killed by a Reaper.


And finally does no one notice the parallel this boy has to default Shepard? Default Shepard grew up as an orphan in much the same conditions. The boy to me seems a young version of Shepard. What better way to undermine someone's confidence then to have an innocent child version of themselves question their fighting resolve.

Yeah, could be that.

Or they could have showed u a cute boy then blowed him up to make u cry.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 13 novembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[AdmiralCheez]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yeah, could be that.

Or they could have showed u a cute boy then blowed him up to make u cry.

This.  I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[GMagnum]

dam cheez wat happend to ur old avatar dat shyt was hella ballin tbh

[AdmiralCheez]

GMagnum wrote...

dam cheez wat happend to ur old avatar dat shyt was hella ballin tbh

Wrex is taking a break.  He'll be back.  For now, Gorky.

[Arkitekt]

Arcian wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Intro boy? I thought we agreed to call him the Shuttle Kid.

Intro boy sounds cooler.

I disagree, with the intensity of a sun.

The shuttle is part of his identity - the reason why he is even remembered. Intro boy is forgettable. Vent lad just lacks oomph. But the moment that shuttle blows up and his tiny little life is snuffed out before our eyes, he transcends his own existence and becomes something more. A memory. A motive. A symbol.

He becomes... the Shuttle Kid.

hmmm...


NAH.

Intro Boy it is! 

[onelifecrisis]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yeah, could be that.

Or they could have showed u a cute boy then blowed him up to make u cry.

This.  I wouldn't be surprised either way.

I was hoping that the text would magically convey my suspicion that the latter option is more likely.

[AdmiralCheez]

onelifecrisis wrote...

I was hoping that the text would magically convey my suspicion that the latter option is more likely.

I doubt Shuttle Kid is a Reaper conspiracy as well.

But still, wouldn't be surprised.  It's always Reapers.

Can't find your keys?  Reapers did it.

Get served a cold burger?  Reapers did it.

Stuck in traffic?  Reapers did it.

Widespread financial crisis and natural disasters?  Reapers did it.

Except if you walk outside and take a laser to the face.  That's just coincidence.

[onelifecrisis]

*chuckles*

[MrDbow]

I am not sure either way if it's indoctrination or hallucinations or if the boy is real.

Part of me thinks that if it is indeed indoctrination or hallucinations, that the boy he is seeing is actually himself when Shepard was that age (or indeed he is looking at his childhood self).

Depending on what the player chooses for his military or personal background comes into play here. Maybe he was dreaming of being a pilot in the Navy or dreaming of stars when he was a young boy.

The boy and Shepard's eye color are the same, and that's my only connection to this theory. But if my own little silly theory does hold, then it would be exciting to see the boy change completely based on who your Shepard is (or a girl is the case of FemShep and all).

Modifié par SimplyNeo, 13 novembre 2011 - 01:50 .