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[DeathDragon185]

actually I like the idea of the boy being fake. though it is more likely to be real.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bluko wrote...

I'm pretty sure he isn't real.

For starters Shepard has now had several close encounters with Reaper objects. (Especially in Arrival...)Shepard has to be suffering some degree of indoctrination. (Much like T.I.M. seems to be as well.) Unless Shepard's brain has some sort of magical shielding they have to be experiencing some effect. Also where does the hologram of Harbinger come from?

Face it: the Reapers are in Shepard's brain. The fact Harbinger was able to talk to you in Arrival is proof of it.

Obviously the Reapers don't have full control over Shepard as he/she hasn't been in close enough contact to have been fully subjected to the brain washing. However the Reapers do have the minimal connection now  to whisper into Shepard's mind. No doubt they will try to break Shepard's will by subversive means as outright confrontation would strengthen Shepard's resolve to fight them. (Hence no Harbinger babble.)

Creating a hallucination of a "lost boy" is a perfect means to achieve this. Notice how the boy in the vents says the situation is hopeless. Also it's very suspect that the boy would not come with Shepard. I mean you're stuck in a vent and a soldier offers to get you out of there. Are you really going to keep hiding even though you've seen buildings blown up already? It's not like Shepard is wearing a mask or is all that menancing when offering to help the kid.

Even if you do buy the boy's behavior, there's the fact that Anderson doesn't notice him at all. Anderson may be a "duty first" person but even he wouldn't leave a child behind like that. Also the boy disappears very fast after Shepard looks away. Crawling through vents is noisy and slow you can't just up and vanish. Also no one mentions the presence of the boy earlier at all. And why is a seemingly orphan child running around an Alliance Base with no supervision?

Also the boys appearence is in perfect timing with the Reapers arrival. It's very possible that the Reapers proximity is why they can induce such a thing on Shepard's mind. And as Phoenix mentioned nobody notices or helps the boy climbing into the shuttle. What's up with that? Sure the situation is chaotic, but surely the shuttle guard would have helped him in. Then it just so happens the boy that said "everyone's dying" gets killed by a Reaper.


And finally does no one notice the parallel this boy has to default Shepard? Default Shepard grew up as an orphan in much the same conditions. The boy to me seems a young version of Shepard. What better way to undermine someone's confidence then to have an innocent child version of themselves question their fighting resolve.

Well put and I agree.

It's very open to interpretation. Almost feels intentional.

[MegaBadExample]

GMagnum wrote...

i tink he started poppin pills n den he started seeing things tbh

Where do you think he stashed them when he was in jail?

[Squidbreath]

Like someone said: [ He starts getting strange dreams and the kid appears again ]

So I personally prefer this theory over cheap drama, but YMMV 

Modifié par Squidbreath, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[BluSoldier]

 Maybe it is some form of unintended indoctrination coming from the reapers. As if there is so much energy inside the reapers that it screws with Shepard's head, making him see things.

[Izhalezan]

Shepard isn't seeing a kid that isn't there, WE are..... dun dun dun.

[Clara Shepard]

Izhalezan wrote...

Shepard isn't seeing a kid that isn't there, WE are..... dun dun dun.

I think I just got surprise buttsecsed... in the mind.

You're probably one of the writers, slowly laughing at us while you tell us some lies and truths 

Modifié par Clara Shepard, 13 novembre 2011 - 08:05 .

[maxmorris]

This thread/idea is just dumb...

[Fiery Phoenix]

maxmorris wrote...

This thread/idea is just dumb...

You're welcome to tell us why you think it's dumb. This is what this dumb thread is for, mister.

[CptBomBom00]

[quote]Fiery Phoenix wrote...

[quote]Bluko wrote...

I'm pretty sure he isn't real.

For starters Shepard has now had several close encounters with Reaper objects. (Especially in Arrival...)Shepard has to be suffering some degree of indoctrination. (Much like T.I.M. seems to be as well.) Unless Shepard's brain has some sort of magical shielding they have to be experiencing some effect. Also where does the hologram of Harbinger come from?

Face it: the Reapers are in Shepard's brain. The fact Harbinger was able to talk to you in Arrival is proof of it.

Obviously the Reapers don't have full control over Shepard as he/she hasn't been in close enough contact to have been fully subjected to the brain washing. However the Reapers do have the minimal connection now  to whisper into Shepard's mind. No doubt they will try to break Shepard's will by subversive means as outright confrontation would strengthen Shepard's resolve to fight them. (Hence no Harbinger babble.)

Creating a hallucination of a "lost boy" is a perfect means to achieve this. Notice how the boy in the vents says the situation is hopeless. Also it's very suspect that the boy would not come with Shepard. I mean you're stuck in a vent and a soldier offers to get you out of there. Are you really going to keep hiding even though you've seen buildings blown up already? It's not like Shepard is wearing a mask or is all that menancing when offering to help the kid.

Even if you do buy the boy's behavior, there's the fact that Anderson doesn't notice him at all. Anderson may be a "duty first" person but even he wouldn't leave a child behind like that. Also the boy disappears very fast after Shepard looks away. Crawling through vents is noisy and slow you can't just up and vanish. Also no one mentions the presence of the boy earlier at all. And why is a seemingly orphan child running around an Alliance Base with no supervision?

Also the boys appearence is in perfect timing with the Reapers arrival. It's very possible that the Reapers proximity is why they can induce such a thing on Shepard's mind. And as Phoenix mentioned nobody notices or helps the boy climbing into the shuttle. What's up with that? Sure the situation is chaotic, but surely the shuttle guard would have helped him in. Then it just so happens the boy that said "everyone's dying" gets killed by a Reaper.


And finally does no one notice the parallel this boy has to default Shepard? Default Shepard grew up as an orphan in much the same conditions. The boy to me seems a young version of Shepard. What better way to undermine someone's confidence then to have an innocent child version of themselves question their fighting resolve.[/quote]
Well put and I agree.

It's very open to interpretation. Almost feels intentional. [/qute]

I agree with THIS^,  and I think this thread will turn into X filesor something:alien::alien::alien:

[Justicar]

It's a nice thought, but I think the majority of the fanbase wouldn't like that Shepard was crazy.

I don't have an opinion whether I'd like it or not. I'm not sure they could implement Shepard being indoctrinated well, it seems to be a very clichéd and difficult thing to write.

[CptBomBom00]

Like I said a page or page's back, We cannot be sure of this,I think the only way to find out is to ask Dev's, but they are not gonna gives the info about this without spoilers.

[CptData]

I like the idea of OP. Could be real - I mean, Shepard went through so much sh!t - maybe s/he got a screw loose or two. PTSD anyone?

[CptBomBom00]

CptData wrote...

I like the idea of OP. Could be real - I mean, Shepard went through so much sh!t - maybe s/he got a screw loose or two. PTSD anyone?

Yeah, first all those visions of destrucion and death left by protheans,the  second thing is , Vermire, being forced to choose over frineds, who lives or dies, then being killed and shortly being brougth back to life by Cerberus, and by this everyone thinks that Shepard is traitor or he/she is working with Cerberus becasue he/she owns he's/her's life to them, then we got Arrival not being able to help those batarinas and being left with no other option, to slow down Reapers, and being forced to kill all of them in one press of the button.

So Yeah OP theory may be actually the possible one in ME3.

And if so maybe Shepard will be able to tlka about these things??:alien:

[Arkitekt]

The entire me3 plot is shep hallucinating, and in reality he's locked in an asylum

[CptData]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

CptData wrote...

I like the idea of OP. Could be real - I mean, Shepard went through so much sh!t - maybe s/he got a screw loose or two. PTSD anyone?

Yeah, first all those visions of destrucion and death left by protheans,the  second thing is , Vermire, being forced to choose over frineds, who lives or dies, then being killed and shortly being brougth back to life by Cerberus, and by this everyone thinks that Shepard is traitor or he/she is working with Cerberus becasue he/she owns he's/her's life to them, then we got Arrival not being able to help those batarinas and being left with no other option, to slow down Reapers, and being forced to kill all of them in one press of the button.

So Yeah OP theory may be actually the possible one in ME3.

And if so maybe Shepard will be able to tlka about these things??:alien:

The same "plot" was used in Call of Duty Black Ops - the PC "sees" Victor Reznov, but that man is dead already. Also the PC got "indoctrinated" in some way and the way how it appears in the game is the "presence" of Reznov.

Just my thoughts. I'm sure it was asked or mentioned before: why is no one helping the boy to get in that shuttle? Maybe because the boy doesn't exist?

[CptBomBom00]

Arkitekt wrote...

The entire me3 plot is shep hallucinating, and in reality he's locked in an asylum

Well this also could be possible ending to ME3B).

[CptBomBom00]

CptData wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

CptData wrote...

I like the idea of OP. Could be real - I mean, Shepard went through so much sh!t - maybe s/he got a screw loose or two. PTSD anyone?

Yeah, first all those visions of destrucion and death left by protheans,the  second thing is , Vermire, being forced to choose over frineds, who lives or dies, then being killed and shortly being brougth back to life by Cerberus, and by this everyone thinks that Shepard is traitor or he/she is working with Cerberus becasue he/she owns he's/her's life to them, then we got Arrival not being able to help those batarinas and being left with no other option, to slow down Reapers, and being forced to kill all of them in one press of the button.

So Yeah OP theory may be actually the possible one in ME3.

And if so maybe Shepard will be able to tlka about these things??:alien:

The same "plot" was used in Call of Duty Black Ops - the PC "sees" Victor Reznov, but that man is dead already. Also the PC got "indoctrinated" in some way and the way how it appears in the game is the "presence" of Reznov.

Just my thoughts. I'm sure it was asked or mentioned before: why is no one helping the boy to get in that shuttle? Maybe because the boy doesn't exist?

Yeah no one helping him is intresting as people will say, 'yeah but the soldier may have not noticed the kid:ph34r:, What?
How the hell he would not see the damn kid:huh:?? SO only theory which may turn into right one is OP's.

[GMagnum]

dam n e 1 else notce cptdata n cptbom both got cpt in dere name
hella spooky tbh

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I kind of hope that Shepard is just imagining him. Would kind of make Shepard more of a real person...

plus I liked that sort of thing in dead space... well, the short ones. No long visions please BioWare/EA. lol

[Aurora313]

Here's a thought, more like a crack-pot theory, based purely on which origin you choose.
Say for a moment, that the child we see is a representation on Shepard's mind finally breaking down after god knows how much stress. What if the child is the manifestation of his inner most wants? Perhaps to retire from the hellish career he's had, settle down and perhaps raise a family of his own? Especially for the default Shepard because as an Earthborn, he's never really had a family to begin with. Colonist Shepard lost his family and Spacer Shepard rarely got to spend time with his mother and father, being sent away on so many deployments at a time.

Maybe the child is the manifestation of that desire to start a life beyond his military career which he had surprised for a great deal of time, perhaps his entire career. And when the child refuses his help and 'dies', Shepard somehow gains the understanding that it will never happen, that his life is too dangerous to walk away from and far too dangerous to think of such a thing when he could die in the next battle, in the next minute.

[TheRealJayDee]

Arkitekt wrote...

The entire me3 plot is shep hallucinating, and in reality he's locked in an asylum

Actually Shepard got shot right after Jenkins on Eden Prime, and all we played so far are his dreams while dying in some hospital. What actually happened since then will be revealed in the upcoming Mass Effect MMO...

[CARL_DF90]

Shep has been through hell and back. Exposure to the Prothian beacons and the Cipher, clashing with the Thorian, being killed and brought back to life, and most importantly of all, being exposed to the Reaper Object Rho, in addition to the entire ARMY of Reapers landing on Earth. It goes without saying that Shep is not an ordinary human given his past experiences. It is possible that indoctrination is trying to influence Shep, and that his subconscious is trying its best to help protect ol' Shep for the short term. If that is truely the case, then the question becomes, how long will that last before he gives in?

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:59 .

[Justicar]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Would kind of make Shepard more of a real person...

People don't play Sci-Fi video games to be real.