I'm pretty sure what Reed meant is that that would add to Shepard's human side and make him/her more believable as a person, as opposed to Shepard being a completely emotionless killing machine, in which case I agree with him. It has nothing to do with the game being sci-fi.Justicar wrote...
People don't play Sci-Fi video games to be real.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Would kind of make Shepard more of a real person...
Intro Boy: Real, Or is Shepard Seeing Things?!
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Posté 13 novembre 2011 - 05:05
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 06:17
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I have a feeling that it will succeed. I also have a funny feeling that lil intro boy will suddenly turn into a lil intro girl when you use femShep. 
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 06:57
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm pretty sure what Reed meant is that that would add to Shepard's human side and make him/her more believable as a person, as opposed to Shepard being a completely emotionless killing machine, in which case I agree with him. It has nothing to do with the game being sci-fi.Justicar wrote...
People don't play Sci-Fi video games to be real.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Would kind of make Shepard more of a real person...
"We fight or we die, that's the plan!"
Mmm, yep, he's still an emotionless killing machine.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 07:56
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That doesn't really mean anything. It's a silly line, yes, but I wouldn't take it at face value.onelifecrisis wrote...
"We fight or we die, that's the plan!"Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm pretty sure what Reed meant is that that would add to Shepard's human side and make him/her more believable as a person, as opposed to Shepard being a completely emotionless killing machine, in which case I agree with him. It has nothing to do with the game being sci-fi.Justicar wrote...
People don't play Sci-Fi video games to be real.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Would kind of make Shepard more of a real person...
Mmm, yep, he's still an emotionless killing machine.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 08:18
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
That doesn't really mean anything. It's a silly line, yes, but I wouldn't take it at face value.onelifecrisis wrote...
"We fight or we die, that's the plan!"Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm pretty sure what Reed meant is that that would add to Shepard's human side and make him/her more believable as a person, as opposed to Shepard being a completely emotionless killing machine, in which case I agree with him. It has nothing to do with the game being sci-fi.Justicar wrote...
People don't play Sci-Fi video games to be real.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Would kind of make Shepard more of a real person...
Mmm, yep, he's still an emotionless killing machine.
I was just being funny again. I'm really good at that.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 08:48
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Eh, no. This isn't Dead Space 3 people...
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 09:25
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I know, that's why I said I was getting a Dead Space 2 vibe in the OP.Lord Aesir wrote...
Eh, no. This isn't Dead Space 3 people...
It's possible nonetheless.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 09:35
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I know, that's why I said I was getting a Dead Space 2 vibe in the OP.Lord Aesir wrote...
Eh, no. This isn't Dead Space 3 people...
It's possible nonetheless.
True. No one noticed the boy. Soldiers who were covering transport no the ground, and people inside the shuttle. No one helped the boy get inside. It's possible that he weas hallucinating, reapers played with his mind or the kid was real.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 09:46
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Lord Aesir wrote...
Eh, no. This isn't Dead Space 3 people...
Dead Space doesn't hold the patent on imaginary people.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 09:50
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I began to suspect that this was the case early on.CARL_DF90 wrote...
I have a feeling that it will succeed. I also have a funny feeling that lil intro boy will suddenly turn into a lil intro girl when you use femShep.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 10:16
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If it actually is the case then that's pretty much gospel confirmation of this theory.Arcian wrote...
I began to suspect that this was the case early on.CARL_DF90 wrote...
I have a feeling that it will succeed. I also have a funny feeling that lil intro boy will suddenly turn into a lil intro girl when you use femShep.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 10:26
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
If it actually is the case then that's pretty much gospel confirmation of this theory.
Not necessarily. It could just be the devs acknowledging Femshep's female status.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 10:30
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I guess so, but it would feel sort of redundant if it was only an acknowledgment.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 12:07
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Nope, it's just the only sciencefiction game in recent years to do so to my knowledge. I was just noting the comparison.didymos1120 wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Eh, no. This isn't Dead Space 3 people...
Dead Space doesn't hold the patent on imaginary people.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 04:50
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Why is it so hard to believe the kid is real? The only kid I want shep to be hallucinating about is his own and since he/she has no kids that one is real. He can't pre hallucinate the kid before said kid dies fyi. If the kid pops up later in some strange place and pulls a Lost on us then he's a hallucination.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 05:18
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When looking at the possibly of the child being a hallucination, there are a few aspects that need to be taken into consideration.
First, hallucinations can occur in any one of or multiple aspects of the five sense. Such as, sight, taste, touch, smell and hearing.
Second, hallucinations are different from delusions in that delusions are a false belief.
You can have a hallucination without being delusional. You can also be delusional without having a hallucination. Having both would constitute a psychotic state.
Returning to the presence of the child. Hallucinations occur when there is an element that is either added or removed from the persons biological functioning. Examples, certain medications can induce hallucinations and certain situations, such as being dehydrated, can also induce hallucinations.
Now, it has been established, ME 2 mission of the derelict reaper, that hallucinations and delusions are a construct induced by the reapers for population control.
The situation in which this is occurring also plays an integral part to determination of whether the child is reality based or a hallucination. And that is the feedback from others such as Anderson. But, you also have to understand, that those others can also be suffering from active hallucinations and/or delusions. Thus they are not accurate witnesses to the situation.
Taking into account all these elements, it is difficult to disconcert if the child is a hallucination or reality based. More information is needed.
At the current time, when working with individuals who are expressing the possibility of a hallucination or delusion that can be reality based, you would work to find proof the existence of the hallucination. By looking for objective evidence of the existence. Of course, if the person is hallucinating non-reality based objects or people, this is not needed. But since it's a child, then we would need more information such as a child being found on the Normandy after docking and Shepard (and others) being removed from the hallucination and/or delusion inducing element.
First, hallucinations can occur in any one of or multiple aspects of the five sense. Such as, sight, taste, touch, smell and hearing.
Second, hallucinations are different from delusions in that delusions are a false belief.
You can have a hallucination without being delusional. You can also be delusional without having a hallucination. Having both would constitute a psychotic state.
Returning to the presence of the child. Hallucinations occur when there is an element that is either added or removed from the persons biological functioning. Examples, certain medications can induce hallucinations and certain situations, such as being dehydrated, can also induce hallucinations.
Now, it has been established, ME 2 mission of the derelict reaper, that hallucinations and delusions are a construct induced by the reapers for population control.
The situation in which this is occurring also plays an integral part to determination of whether the child is reality based or a hallucination. And that is the feedback from others such as Anderson. But, you also have to understand, that those others can also be suffering from active hallucinations and/or delusions. Thus they are not accurate witnesses to the situation.
Taking into account all these elements, it is difficult to disconcert if the child is a hallucination or reality based. More information is needed.
At the current time, when working with individuals who are expressing the possibility of a hallucination or delusion that can be reality based, you would work to find proof the existence of the hallucination. By looking for objective evidence of the existence. Of course, if the person is hallucinating non-reality based objects or people, this is not needed. But since it's a child, then we would need more information such as a child being found on the Normandy after docking and Shepard (and others) being removed from the hallucination and/or delusion inducing element.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 05:29
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Why is it so hard to believe the kid is real?
It's not. It's simply that some of us have noticed that it can't be proven that he is, and find that odd because we are quite familiar with fiction and its use of such devices. Regardless, the question just isn't decidable at the moment.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 05:51
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Yeah, this. We can neither prove nor disprove either theory at this point, since both situations are equally ambiguous given how they're presented.didymos1120 wrote...
Destroy Raiden wrote...
Why is it so hard to believe the kid is real?
It's not. It's simply that some of us have noticed that it can't be proven that he is, and find that odd because we are quite familiar with fiction and its use of such devices. Regardless, the question just isn't decidable at the moment.
And good analysis, Mei. It's hard to answer without further insight, though it doesn't take away the fun of speculation.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 07:54
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I'm of the opinion that the kid is a figment of Shepard's imagination, quite possibly a younger version of himself/herself (if the intro sequence, played as Fem!Shep, has the kid as a girl). There's gotta be a better reason why these games monitor how Paragon or Renegade you are besides giving you simply gameplay bonuses to each.
I'd almost bet money that Kid!Shep is there to show the player who Shepard was when he/she was little (which changes depending on your chosen background) and how he/she has progressed psychologically and emotionally since the start of the series (ie. if your actions are Paragon or Renegade and what big choices you made along the way).
I'd almost bet money that Kid!Shep is there to show the player who Shepard was when he/she was little (which changes depending on your chosen background) and how he/she has progressed psychologically and emotionally since the start of the series (ie. if your actions are Paragon or Renegade and what big choices you made along the way).
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 08:16
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Shad Croly wrote...
I'm of the opinion that the kid is a figment of Shepard's imagination, quite possibly a younger version of himself/herself (if the intro sequence, played as Fem!Shep, has the kid as a girl). There's gotta be a better reason why these games monitor how Paragon or Renegade you are besides giving you simply gameplay bonuses to each.
I'd almost bet money that Kid!Shep is there to show the player who Shepard was when he/she was little (which changes depending on your chosen background) and how he/she has progressed psychologically and emotionally since the start of the series (ie. if your actions are Paragon or Renegade and what big choices you made along the way).
While that would certainly be a twist to the story, I don't think this would be feasible. There would have to be multiple versiions of this kid. Skin color (cuz my latinoSehp was no little white girl, thank you), eye color, and facial features would certainly have to be taken into account so that it wouldn't look cheesy.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 08:45
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Additional information is necessary in order to make an accurate statement but if you are making a prediction through deductive and inductive reasoning, then it is a high probability that Shepard is hallucinating the child.Fiery Phoenix wrote...
And good analysis, Mei. It's hard to answer without further insight, though it doesn't take away the fun of speculation.
Fun speculation is fun.
I thought the exact same thing! Dark hair, eyes and brown skin for my American Indian/Native American Fem Shep please. LOLSaberchic wrote...
...cuz my latinoSehp was no little white girl, thank you...
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 08:59
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I still think that the shuttle kid is imagination, because look at this logically if the kid was real, the scene in leaked build where Vega walks up to Shepard as he's looking through the window and when he speaks the kid is gone, then we have the vent thing Anderson went first and Shepard stayed because he heard something and then he's looking in the vent and he sees this kid, and he tries to convince him or her, that would depend on Shepard gender, but getting back to the topic, and kid say's that everyone is dying and Shepard can't help him/her and when suddenly Anderson approaches the kid is gone and I know it has been said before but is in't this little weird, if Anderson went back to get Sheaprd , and Shep and him would hear the kid making noise while going further down the vent shaft, and finally the shuttle scene, chaos, death and suffering and there Shepard sees this kid on his/her own without anyone else with him or her, and Shepard hopes that kid makes to the shuttle and survives, kid gets eventually into the shuttle without soldier or someone forcing him or her in, and this is pretty weird, because someone would notice that kid and would be like"Hey Kid get in now!!" or something similar but no one does it so the kid gets in and then suddenly Shepard hope of him/her surviving this hell are turned into dust, as the shuttle is blown up by a Reaper, so I think the most plausible conclusion to this is that Reapers may play with Shepard's mind, and telling him/her that no one will escape their Extermination.
Peace.
Peace.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 09:06
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First, imagination versus hallucination, more like hallucination. Second, reapers are messing with everyone minds. Who knows what they were seeing, thus faulty witness corroboration. Third, combat scenario, focusing on mission not collaterals. Thus, unknown at present time.CptBomBom00 wrote...
I still think that the shuttle kid is imagination, because look at this logically if the kid was real, the scene in leaked build where Vega walks up to Shepard as he's looking through the window and when he speaks the kid is gone, then we have the vent thing Anderson went first and Shepard stayed because he heard something and then he's looking in the vent and he sees this kid, and he tries to convince him or her, that would depend on Shepard gender, but getting back to the topic, and kid say's that everyone is dying and Shepard can't help him/her and when suddenly Anderson approaches the kid is gone and I know it has been said before but is in't this little weird, if Anderson went back to get Sheaprd , and Shep and him would hear the kid making noise while going further down the vent shaft, and finally the shuttle scene, chaos, death and suffering and there Shepard sees this kid on his/her own without anyone else with him or her, and Shepard hopes that kid makes to the shuttle and survives, kid gets eventually into the shuttle without soldier or someone forcing him or her in, and this is pretty weird, because someone would notice that kid and would be like"Hey Kid get in now!!" or something similar but no one does it so the kid gets in and then suddenly Shepard hope of him/her surviving this hell are turned into dust, as the shuttle is blown up by a Reaper, so I think the most plausible conclusion to this is that Reapers may play with Shepard's mind, and telling him/her that no one will escape their Extermination.
Peace.
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Posté 14 novembre 2011 - 09:08
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Yeah I agree man, I hope we get some info about this.
