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[DCarter]

Mordin really stands out for me.

[LordSerion]

Legion - The philosopher geth sniper, who singlehandedly changed the main enemy force of Mass Effect into something far, far more interesting.

Wrex/Joker/Tali - Do I need to say anything?

Mordin - The scientist who murdered millions while trying to save millions.

Thane - The dying father, trying to save his son from falling into the same dark path he has followed.

Jack - Under the insane amount of murderous rage lies a little girl, crying in the corner.

Udina - Surprising, eh? I think we can agree just about everyone hates him wholeheartedly. That takes something special.

And every other character. Thank you, BioWare!

Modifié par LordSerion, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:46 .

[Labrev]

Not really going to contribute anything new, but a couple thoughts:

I think people who write off Jack as "cliche" or "teen angst" are lames who are just looking for an excuse not to like her. I can understand if the character is not for you, but it's another thing to deliberately try to hate it. Her backstory is plenty interesting, and character was overall believable.

Also, I think Legion was pulled off exceptionally well for what he was. The geth were interesting as an enemy in ME1, but then to take on the challenge of creating an ally from a "race" that was previously considered a galactic enemy is no small task, but they made it work with this one character. They deserve a lot of credit for that.

[CptData]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

You know characters in the Mass Universe that offers
~ Complexity
~ Substance
~ Something to like and Dislike about the character
~ A way to relate to them

etc.

Doesnt have to be a squad mate

I was not sure if I had posted here before, but nope - no posting here.

Lets pick a non-squaddie first - I'd say it's Anderson. He comes with some nice background and also has some influence on the story. He's not that complex - basically he's a decorated Alliance captain that nearly became human's first Spectre. Anderson is also Shepard's mentor and it seems they're connected not only by comradeship but also friendship.
Anderson is one of the more authentic characters in ME.
There's nothing I actively dislike about him except that I can't have him on board of the first Normandy.


For a squaddie my finger is - no surprise - on Ashley. Imo she's one of the most complex characters and one you don't really know after just five lines of dialogue. To know more about her you need to go through the dialogues. Ignoring her because of the first lines she says results in the false image she dislikes aliens and a religious zealot. The truth is entirely different: she simpy doesn't trust someone before knowing him or her better and so she doesn't trust a race she simply doesn't know that much. Since she seems to have almost no space duty experience before being transferred to the Normandy it's most likely she never talked to a Turian or Asari before.

The only dislike about her is not even Ashley's fault - it's bad writing in ME2, virtually forcing her into a tiny cameo role with nearly no significance for the story but a major negative impact on the romance arc.


The squadmates next to her seem to be the squadmates of orginal Normandy. Somehow the squadmates of ME2 got less development, which is a sad thing in my eyes. Exception is Mordin.

Modifié par CptData, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:55 .

[xd3six]

I felt Mordin and Legion were the best written characters..... i liked other characters as well but some of them were a little too cliche.

[naledgeborn]

Mordin
Illusive Man
Saren
Legion
Wrex

[stonbw1]

I'd probably go with Mordin. The dialogue choices for him were the most memorable to me when I was forced to ask myself whether I agreed with his logic or thought it deplorable. Still not sure!

[DCarter]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Not really going to contribute anything new, but a couple thoughts:

I think people who write off Jack as "cliche" or "teen angst" are lames who are just looking for an excuse not to like her. I can understand if the character is not for you, but it's another thing to deliberately try to hate it. Her backstory is plenty interesting, and character was overall believable.

I disagree. Jack as a character is poorly executed. Considering her life is one long chain of being betrayed and exploited you would think she would be closed off but as soon as you start talking to her she's revealing personal experiences and rattling off her train of thought like it's a shopping list she's trying to remember.

Her dialogue is poor. One second she'll be boasting about a crime she's commited the next she'll be moaping about how she's been treated bad in the past. We get she's supposed to appear dangerous but be vulnerable but we should get to discover this naturally over time not have it shoved in our face with every conversation. As a consequence she comes across as an exaggerated character rather than a geunine person. 

However for me the biggest problem with Jack is her place in the story. What the hell is she doing in it? She's supposed to be a pragmatist trying to survive. So at what point does she decide it would be a good idea to go on a suicide mission for the good of humanity? It doesn't make any sense there's never any reason given for why she decides to come on the mission or even why you recruit her in the first place. In fact there's considerable evidence for why she wouldn't be recruited and wouldn't agree to take part in the mission anyway.

TLDR: She's a mess. 

[CptData]

Somehow I concur, DCarter - Jack could be far more interesting. But since you can recruit most of the ME2 cast shortly before going for the SM a lot of character development gets skipped. In ME you learn far more of every single character since they're with you for the entire length of the game (except Liara - you can pick her up late - and Garrus and Wrex can be skipped) and the characters have time to unfold.

It's less a problem with Jack, it seems to be a generic problem with the way how the story is told in ME2.

[Lyriel25]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Lyriel25 wrote...

I like the way Kaidan is written, he makes sense as a character and is consistent. Also loved Mordin and Thane's characters for their unique PoVs, which I felt were well done.

Not to attack your opinion or anything, but talking to Thane makes me wish I could jump into the game and rip his self-contradictory BS "philosophy" to shreds. There are so many opportunities for Shepard to rip massive holes in the crap that dribbles out of Thane's mouth, but of course Shepard just acts all fascinated as if Thane is actually making sense. Urgh.

Okay that sorta did come out like an attack on your opinion, sorry. But I really think Thane was very poorly written.

You are confusing well-written with likable, I think. While you don't personally subscribe to his belief, it is internally consistent for him. He was forced into a life as an assassin, which goes against his inner nature (as it's been revealed to us). It's very much a defense mechanism - he did what he had to do in order to live with his situation. The only way to remain close to sane was to separate what he did from who he was. The one time he crossed that line affected him all the more deeply precisely because of that artifically-drawn line. Some of the things people do to stay sane-ish don't make a lot of sense if examined logically from outside their experience, but I think in this case it made an interesting character. I may not agree with his philosophy either, but I can recognize how he came by it. As Shepard, I would like to help heal him, both physically of his disease and emotionally of his scars.

[onelifecrisis]

Lyriel25 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Lyriel25 wrote...

I like the way Kaidan is written, he makes sense as a character and is consistent. Also loved Mordin and Thane's characters for their unique PoVs, which I felt were well done.

Not to attack your opinion or anything, but talking to Thane makes me wish I could jump into the game and rip his self-contradictory BS "philosophy" to shreds. There are so many opportunities for Shepard to rip massive holes in the crap that dribbles out of Thane's mouth, but of course Shepard just acts all fascinated as if Thane is actually making sense. Urgh.

Okay that sorta did come out like an attack on your opinion, sorry. But I really think Thane was very poorly written.

You are confusing well-written with likable, I think.

No, I'm not. If Shepard had properly ripped Thane's position to shreds (or done anything other than ask a few cursory questions and then shut up) then I'd consider Thane to be a better-written character even though his lines had not changed. Not well written, but better written than he is. As it is, Thane says some incredibly stupid things, and Shepard starts to argue against them... but then he just stops before anything gets interesting. There's no interesting debate, no conflict, and no character growth. For all of his time spent reflecting, Thane learns nothing.

He was forced into a life as an assassin

He makes it very clear that he wasn't forced into anything. The rest of your post seems to hinge on this falsehood.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I have to go with:

* Saren -- the character you love to hate.
* Gianna Parasini -- considering the bit part she had in ME1 & 2 (if you cooperated with her in ME1), she felt real.
* TIM -- just a horrible person all around.
* Mordin -- complex with a lot of grey area morality. And he did Gilbert & Sullivan.
* The Asari Spectre in LotSB -- can't remember her name, but would have been a lot better had there not been the way too obvious "shifty eye" look.

[onelifecrisis]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

* The Asari Spectre in LotSB -- can't remember her name, but would have been a lot better had there not been the way too obvious "shifty eye" look.

Tela Vasir. An entertaining character. I agree it's a shame that she was spoon-fed to us.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 14 novembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[ScrapperSteph]

I pick Saren. A real great vilain as I likeB)

[BatmanPWNS]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Lyriel25 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Lyriel25 wrote...

I like the way Kaidan is written, he makes sense as a character and is consistent. Also loved Mordin and Thane's characters for their unique PoVs, which I felt were well done.

Not to attack your opinion or anything, but talking to Thane makes me wish I could jump into the game and rip his self-contradictory BS "philosophy" to shreds. There are so many opportunities for Shepard to rip massive holes in the crap that dribbles out of Thane's mouth, but of course Shepard just acts all fascinated as if Thane is actually making sense. Urgh.

Okay that sorta did come out like an attack on your opinion, sorry. But I really think Thane was very poorly written.

You are confusing well-written with likable, I think.

No, I'm not. If Shepard had properly ripped Thane's position to shreds (or done anything other than ask a few cursory questions and then shut up) then I'd consider Thane to be a better-written character even though his lines had not changed. Not well written, but better written than he is. As it is, Thane says some incredibly stupid things, and Shepard starts to argue against them... but then he just stops before anything gets interesting. There's no interesting debate, no conflict, and no character growth. For all of his time spent reflecting, Thane learns nothing.

He was forced into a life as an assassin

He makes it very clear that he wasn't forced into anything. The rest of your post seems to hinge on this falsehood.

Most of the things he say's come from his religion. You know the fictional religion that doesn't really exist on Earth.

[onelifecrisis]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

fictional religion

Is there any other kind?

[Arkitekt]

onelifecrisis wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

fictional religion

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[Mims]

Definitely Mordin, but I also think Legion and EDI on opposing ends of the AI spectrum [or are they?] were handled very well.

[Ausstig]

In ME1 I liked Wrex the most, cause he didn't whine.

In ME 2 I found Morinth the most intriguing mostly because of how little we find out about her which makes me sad. I bet she had lots of cool stories, hope we might her more from her in ME3





But from what I hear that won't happen either

Modifié par Ausstig, 14 novembre 2011 - 10:58 .

[Spiratic]

Wrex, Thane, and Jack

coming in next is probably team dextro and the v.s.

[Thompson family]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

You know characters in the Mass Universe that offers
~ Complexity
~ Substance
~ Something to like and Dislike about the character
~ A way to relate to them

etc.

Doesnt have to be a squad mate

Thane.

Best dialogue, though, belongs to Wrex. Hands down, he has the best lines.

[Dean_the_Young]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I think the two most well-written characters in the series so far are Ashley and Mordin. Ash because she's incredibly believable--she has all the faults and nuances that make her seem like a real person. Mordin because his dialogue is brilliant, and he's as hilarious as he is deep. His personal story arc alone is very thought-provoking.

I was just going to nominate these two.

I think what helps put them in context is that they are moral Renegades. Though they distinctly avoid Paragon attitudes and manners, they come by their Renegade attitudes in reasonable, justifiable ways. Ashley's cynicism and politics are well supported by both history and the honest character of the alien races we see, even if she is also reacting to her own family's treatment. Mordin's bigger-picture outlook doesn't eclipse his willingness to accept the little picture as well: he might make the bigger-picture decision regardless, but he's not some sociopathic mad doctor even when he re-implements the galaxy's greatest war crime.

Paldin/Paragon characters are a dime a dozen thousand. Tali is geek appeal in ME2. Liara was bookish nerd with a heart of gold appeal in ME1. Even Garrus, a moral Renegade, wavered between Renegade and Paragon.

But characters who can honestly stand on their Renegade nature in their own right, as opposed to reaction to something else (Jack's past) or until emotionally challenged (Miranda) are a rare act to pull off well.


I also give points to Mordin because the genophage plotline is probably the single best sub-plot of the entire Mass Effect franchise.

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I also give points to Mordin because the genophage plotline is probably the single best sub-plot of the entire Mass Effect franchise.

This is something I really have to agree on. Mordin was never a fan servicey character but I really got the feeling Bioware really enjoyed making this plotline mostly because of how there is no real moral argument a Paragon character could use to be against the Genophage. Hell Mordin was far far more convincing than Shepard could have been. Plus it gave more insight on the guilt Mordin felt and even though he was responsible for modifying the genophage again he was the one character (other than Wrex) who had the most sympathy for the Krogan.