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[jeweledleah]

Xilizhra wrote...

they set it up in such a way that it feels like the right thing to do, regadless of whether you like him or not.

Wait, what? That's wholly subjective.

oh, you could probably defend his actions if you like him enough or if you or your Hawke agree with him, but at the end of the day - he's still a terrorist and he still killed a lot of innoscent people.  and  your options are to kill him or to allow him to live and probably blow up a few more chantries.  they gave a good reason for killing him, it wasn't a bullcrap choice like virmire.

[jeweledleah]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

they set it up in such a way that it feels like the right thing to do, regadless of whether you like him or not.

Wait, what? That's wholly subjective.

oh, you could probably defend his actions if you like him enough or if you or your Hawke agree with him, but at the end of the day - he's still a terrorist and he still killed a lot of innoscent people.  and  your options are to kill him or to allow him to live and probably blow up a few more chantries.  they gave a good reason for killing him, it wasn't a bullcrap choice like virmire.

I think the fact that half your companions supported sparing him shows they weren't trying to make you kill him.

I didn't say they MADE you kill him.  they just made it sound like a sound decision so that if you do kill him you are not acting like idiot. 
spoiler bellow - highlight to read at your own risk.
if virmire 2.0 will make it into the live game, where you have to chose between Liara and VS, the way they set it up, only the most hardcore VS fans or people who dislike Liara that much/more then VS will be able to kill her.  they slanted it so much in her favor they might as well call it "kill VS" choice.  and it seems to be the ONLY time she could actualy die.

[Xilizhra]

Perhaps it won't involve Liara specifically. If it could be anyone who happens to be there... though I wouldn't really mind if it was Liara.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Xilizhra wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Nothing is as bad as Anders was in DA2

*cackles*
We shall see.

I mean it, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CAN BE WORSE THAN THAT.

... she blows up the citadel, we'll talk.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Pennyball wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The VS is Anders. Trust me.

What's so Anderslike in VS?

Character assassination?

[Xilizhra]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Pennyball wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The VS is Anders. Trust me.

What's so Anderslike in VS?

Character assassination?

Only in Kaidan's case, and then again it's arguable. But I don't feel Anders was assassinated either.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.

lol no. 

[dreman9999]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.

lol no. 

Really now..(Referring to main cast.)
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.

[dreman9999]

jeweledleah wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

they set it up in such a way that it feels like the right thing to do, regadless of whether you like him or not.

Wait, what? That's wholly subjective.

oh, you could probably defend his actions if you like him enough or if you or your Hawke agree with him, but at the end of the day - he's still a terrorist and he still killed a lot of innoscent people.  and  your options are to kill him or to allow him to live and probably blow up a few more chantries.  they gave a good reason for killing him, it wasn't a bullcrap choice like virmire.

The choice on virmire was not who to kill but who to save. Big differance.

[dreman9999]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.

lol no. 

Really now..(Referring to main cast.)
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.

Forgetting Samara, are we?

Samara: Finding where her daughter is so she won't be gun down by the Illiium Police when she tries to escape.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[dreman9999]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Forgetting Samara, are we?

Samara: Finding were her daughter so she won't be gun down by the Illiium Police when she tries to escape.

No, it was the other way around. She was going to be the one gunning down the police.

What I mean is she will attack first and kill alot of Police officers, but over time she will be overwhelemed and killed. She had an extremely low chance of getting away with her life.Shepard saved her from a road to death.

[Weltea]

jeweledleah wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

they set it up in such a way that it feels like the right thing to do, regadless of whether you like him or not.

Wait, what? That's wholly subjective.

oh, you could probably defend his actions if you like him enough or if you or your Hawke agree with him, but at the end of the day - he's still a terrorist and he still killed a lot of innoscent people.  and  your options are to kill him or to allow him to live and probably blow up a few more chantries.  they gave a good reason for killing him, it wasn't a bullcrap choice like virmire.

with Anders,whether you like him or not or whether you agreed with him or not:you were hanging out with him for six years,barely anybody died when he blew up the chantry (definitely less people than Hawke just randomly killed without asking questions. And innocent is debatable. And saying he would blow up more Chantries is ridiculous) and your companions are for sparring him. I can understand if it' the right choice for YOU but they didn't set it up that way... I really don't think that's anywhere the same as the Virmire choice where the whole set up is already completely different and death isn't optional.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

dreman9999 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.

lol no. 

Really now..(Referring to main cast.)
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.

You're forgetting Samara, for one. You aren't saving her from anything. Just helping her out.

As for Jack, I wouldn't say she is a damsel in distress. She's just in jail. It's not like she's in some kind of life threatening situation. She's not in need of any rescue.

And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please. 
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).

Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.  

[jeweledleah]

Weltea wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

they set it up in such a way that it feels like the right thing to do, regadless of whether you like him or not.

Wait, what? That's wholly subjective.

oh, you could probably defend his actions if you like him enough or if you or your Hawke agree with him, but at the end of the day - he's still a terrorist and he still killed a lot of innoscent people.  and  your options are to kill him or to allow him to live and probably blow up a few more chantries.  they gave a good reason for killing him, it wasn't a bullcrap choice like virmire.

with Anders,whether you like him or not or whether you agreed with him or not:you were hanging out with him for six years,barely anybody died when he blew up the chantry (definitely less people than Hawke just randomly killed without asking questions. And innocent is debatable. And saying he would blow up more Chantries is ridiculous) and your companions are for sparring him. I can understand if it' the right choice for YOU but they didn't set it up that way... I really don't think that's anywhere the same as the Virmire choice where the whole set up is already completely different and death isn't optional.

I was kinda saying that.  that Virmire is not like Anders choice.  Anders choice can be justified in either direction (and yes, plenty of people died inside the chantry, you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise, unless like Xilli you think that no chantry follower is innoscent?, or if you think that he won't continue with his revolution, especialy on friendship path) and its actualy a genuine choice.  Virmire is bullcrap, as someone has to die either way, right there and then.  and possibility of virmire 2.0 is a spoiler.

I was kinda saying that Liara isn't Anders, btw.

[Xilizhra]

And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please.
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).

If you're a male Shepard, she also needs to be saved from the beacon.

Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.

Strictly temporary.

[jeweledleah]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.

lol no. 

Really now..(Referring to main cast.)
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.

You're forgetting Samara, for one. You aren't saving her from anything. Just helping her out.

As for Jack, I wouldn't say she is a damsel in distress. She's just in jail. It's not like she's in some kind of life threatening situation. She's not in need of any rescue.

And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please. 
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).

Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.  

actualy - in ME1, it was just Liara.  Tali was holding her own.  when the fight starts, she throws a grenade and ducks into cover to continue fightning.

ME2 is... debatable.

[jeweledleah]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Garrus has to be saved from the three merc groups. Is he the male version of a damsel?

  he's fighting back, so IMO it doesn't count.  its why I don't concider Tali or Ashley a damsel in distress either, at least in ME1.

[dreman9999]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Garrus has to be saved from the three merc groups. Is he the male version of a damsel?

Yes.....It not a bad thing to be one. It's just bad if it happenes over and over again. Thankfully, Liara is not that ether. The Princess Peach of the series is Kehleen Sanders.