She woulddreman9999 wrote...
It goes the the same with the male romances, you say one of them is some form in ME....Barquiel wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Miranda-0(Most independent of all of ME)
I hope this doesn't change in ME3.
Miranda is the most independent of all love intrest. If you marry her, she'll make you change you name to Commander Lawson.
False.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Really now..(Referring to main cast.)xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.
lol no.
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.
You're forgetting Samara, for one. You aren't saving her from anything. Just helping her out.
As for Jack, I wouldn't say she is a damsel in distress. She's just in jail. It's not like she's in some kind of life threatening situation. She's not in need of any rescue.
And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please.
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).
Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.
Modifié par dreman9999, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .
You save him from the mechs....Weltea wrote...
She woulddreman9999 wrote...
It goes the the same with the male romances, you say one of them is some form in ME....Barquiel wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Miranda-0(Most independent of all of ME)
I hope this doesn't change in ME3.
Miranda is the most independent of all love intrest. If you marry her, she'll make you change you name to Commander Lawson.
(you don't safe Jacob though.)
Right, so if a damsil is distress hits the capturer with no effect, that mean she is not a damsil is distress.(Lois Lane, Princess Leia.)jeweledleah wrote...
he's fighting back, so IMO it doesn't count. its why I don't concider Tali or Ashley a damsel in distress either, at least in ME1.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Garrus has to be saved from the three merc groups. Is he the male version of a damsel?
Being a damsil is distress does not mean the damsil does not fight back. If you where not there in ME1, Tali would be dead.jeweledleah wrote...
xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Really now..(Referring to main cast.)xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.
lol no.
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.
You're forgetting Samara, for one. You aren't saving her from anything. Just helping her out.
As for Jack, I wouldn't say she is a damsel in distress. She's just in jail. It's not like she's in some kind of life threatening situation. She's not in need of any rescue.
And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please.
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).
Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.
actualy - in ME1, it was just Liara. Tali was holding her own. when the fight starts, she throws a grenade and ducks into cover to continue fightning.
ME2 is... debatable.
Xilizhra wrote...
Or you could stay dead while the Reapers wipe everyone out, which would probably just make TIM happier, so in the end, your resurrection may have screwed him over.I'm sorry, but if I didn't 'need' her to help figure out the visions. I would never have recruited her. That being said, it was nice of her to take my body to Cerberus were I was forced to act as the Illusive Man's right hand. Thanks Liara, just thanks. 'Couldn't let me go?' So what are you going to do when Shepard dies from natural causes? Clone him and stick his brain into a new body?
dreman9999 wrote...
Right, so if a damsil is distress hits the capturer with no effect, that mean she is not a damsil is distress.(Lois Lane, Princess Leia.)jeweledleah wrote...
he's fighting back, so IMO it doesn't count. its why I don't concider Tali or Ashley a damsel in distress either, at least in ME1.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Garrus has to be saved from the three merc groups. Is he the male version of a damsel?
Being a damsil is distress does not mean helpless, It mean some you you have to save from capture or and death.
dreman9999 wrote...
False.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Really now..(Referring to main cast.)xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.
lol no.
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.
You're forgetting Samara, for one. You aren't saving her from anything. Just helping her out.
As for Jack, I wouldn't say she is a damsel in distress. She's just in jail. It's not like she's in some kind of life threatening situation. She's not in need of any rescue.
And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please.
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).
Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.
Samara, your not just hepling her out. If you where not on Illium recuiting her, she would be dead.
Jack, jail is life threatening and damsil in destress does not mean her life is in danger, just that she need to be saved.
Also, with Ashley if you where not there on Eden prime, she wouldbe dead, Horzion, if you where not there she would be dead. And yes she need help to kill two geth, they killed off her squad.Ashley still need to be save 3 times. 2 time more than Liara.
Don't ry to warp it. Liara is the last person in ME to be labled Damsil is distress.
Liara was stuck in there for days without food, propure resat and no recooperation. I would think it would be realistic if she can't fight back at the moment.jeweledleah wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Right, so if a damsil is distress hits the capturer with no effect, that mean she is not a damsil is distress.(Lois Lane, Princess Leia.)jeweledleah wrote...
he's fighting back, so IMO it doesn't count. its why I don't concider Tali or Ashley a damsel in distress either, at least in ME1.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Garrus has to be saved from the three merc groups. Is he the male version of a damsel?
Being a damsil is distress does not mean helpless, It mean some you you have to save from capture or and death.
no not exactly. the helpless part is what makes them a damzel in distress. and in ME1, between getting herself stuck in prothean prison, cowering when Krogan with Geth attack (she admits as much) and the "oh now, I feel faint" act that just happens over and over - Liara is most certainly a damsel. she takes a level in badass in ME2 though and stops being one, but in ME1? oh boy.
P.S. Princess Leia is only partialy a damsel in distress. unlike ME1 Liara, she actively and effectively assists with her rescues.
Modifié par dreman9999, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:50 .
(I'm a bit tired,I hope what I wrote wasn't completely off-topic or confusing or whatever...at this point I wouldn't notice anymorejeweledleah wrote...
Weltea wrote...
with Anders,whether you like him or not or whether you agreed with him or not:you were hanging out with him for six years,barely anybody died when he blew up the chantry (definitely less people than Hawke just randomly killed without asking questions. And innocent is debatable. And saying he would blow up more Chantries is ridiculous) and your companions are for sparring him. I can understand if it' the right choice for YOU but they didn't set it up that way... I really don't think that's anywhere the same as the Virmire choice where the whole set up is already completely different and death isn't optional.jeweledleah wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Wait, what? That's wholly subjective.they set it up in such a way that it feels like the right thing to do, regadless of whether you like him or not.
oh, you could probably defend his actions if you like him enough or if you or your Hawke agree with him, but at the end of the day - he's still a terrorist and he still killed a lot of innoscent people. and your options are to kill him or to allow him to live and probably blow up a few more chantries. they gave a good reason for killing him, it wasn't a bullcrap choice like virmire.
I was kinda saying that. that Virmire is not like Anders choice. Anders choice can be justified in either direction (and yes, plenty of people died inside the chantry, you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise, unless like Xilli you think that no chantry follower is innoscent?, or if you think that he won't continue with his revolution, especialy on friendship path) and its actualy a genuine choice. Virmire is bullcrap, as someone has to die either way, right there and then. and possibility of virmire 2.0 is a spoiler.
I was kinda saying that Liara isn't Anders, btw.
PMC65 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Or you could stay dead while the Reapers wipe everyone out, which would probably just make TIM happier, so in the end, your resurrection may have screwed him over.I'm sorry, but if I didn't 'need' her to help figure out the visions. I would never have recruited her. That being said, it was nice of her to take my body to Cerberus were I was forced to act as the Illusive Man's right hand. Thanks Liara, just thanks. 'Couldn't let me go?' So what are you going to do when Shepard dies from natural causes? Clone him and stick his brain into a new body?
I understand not liking characters but this really makes no sense to me. In the last couple days I've been seeing more people complain about Liara retrieving Shepard's body. From "Who gave her the right?" down to "Horizon is her fault". This is a sure sign that you have moved from disliking a character to hating a character so much that you've thrown sense out the window. "Can you believe that Wanda, the b1 tch, saw that truck coming at me and dared to pull me out of the way? Who does she think she is? I hate her and she tried to put her hands on me ... the nerve! I showed her. I pulled away and walked right into the path of that truck. Suck on this Wanda!"
If you don't like her that much that you can't stand her saving your Shepard then put in your ME2 game and when Shepard gets spaced ... shut it down. Then Liara never went after Shepard, Cerberus never got their hands on Shepard, Horizon never happened ... ertc. etc.
And now my faith in the BSN is restored once again ... there must be a new thread that either hates on Liara or Ashley once a week. This week Liara starts it off and I anxiously await on the Ashley thread to pop up. The biggest joke about these threads is that the Ash & Liara fans post negative comments in the other character's thread and then can't understand why their own character is misunderstood or hated on.
Pot meet kettle.
Now back to Skyrim.
xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
She also wasn't taken by the collectors on horizon and avoided their detection the entire time Shepard was on the planet. So again, she wouldn't be dead without Shepard. The only time is on Virmire, sorry pal.
Modifié par Barquiel, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:36 .
Barquiel wrote...
xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
She also wasn't taken by the collectors on horizon and avoided their detection the entire time Shepard was on the planet. So again, she wouldn't be dead without Shepard. The only time is on Virmire, sorry pal.
The collectors retreat because of Shepard. Ashley would be reaper goo without Shepards help on Horizon.
Samara would kill alot of copwhen she first breaks out, but no matter how bad they are, it a group in mass goes after you your going to be overwhelemed over time. If all of illiumsPolice go after her, she will die.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
False.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Really now..(Referring to main cast.)xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. Every female character out side of Miranda has the damsel in distress syndrome.
lol no.
Ashley: You save fromthe geth when you meet her, Youhavethe choiceto saveher on Virmire, and you save her on Horrison.
Tali:You meet her by saving her from Sarens assasins, You save her from Geth when you recuit her and you save her form being exiled.
Jack:You save her form jail.
Miranda:Not once did you save her at all.
You're forgetting Samara, for one. You aren't saving her from anything. Just helping her out.
As for Jack, I wouldn't say she is a damsel in distress. She's just in jail. It's not like she's in some kind of life threatening situation. She's not in need of any rescue.
And the only time Ashley needs to be saved in on Virmire. With the geth, if you didn't notice, she killed the ones chasing her and then got into a good cover position to take on the other two. She can't kill two geth without Shepard coming to save her? Please.
Besides, with Ash's character and toughness, I'd hardly classify her as a damsel in distress. She even says she doesn't need a knight to come to her rescue (or w/e her line was).
Really the only damsel's were tali and liara.
Samara, your not just hepling her out. If you where not on Illium recuiting her, she would be dead.
Jack, jail is life threatening and damsil in destress does not mean her life is in danger, just that she need to be saved.
Also, with Ashley if you where not there on Eden prime, she wouldbe dead, Horzion, if you where not there she would be dead. And yes she need help to kill two geth, they killed off her squad.Ashley still need to be save 3 times. 2 time more than Liara.
Don't ry to warp it. Liara is the last person in ME to be labled Damsil is distress.
Samara? FROM WHAT?! A bunch of crappy cops who can't find a murderer like two rooms away? The ones that don't dare go into eclipse territory b/c they are afraid of them? Those same eclipse members that Samara flings around like they're a bug to be swatted? Yeah, no. Try again.
In the position jack was in... in cryo geneic stasis from the looks of it... isn't at all life threatening. In fact, it's probably keeping her from getting herself killed.
Ashley would not be dead on Eden Prime if Shepard hadn't shown up. The Geth had moved on past her point and were getting ready to leave the planet. Plus, like I said... she already killed the Geth pursing her and was in great position to take out the last two who were also in the open. Easy pickings for someone who can drill you between the eyes at one hundred meters. She also wasn't taken by the collectors on horizon and avoided their detection the entire time Shepard was on the planet. So again, she wouldn't be dead without Shepard. The only time is on Virmire, sorry pal.
Don't even start on Liara not being labeled as one. If you're going to label the above three females as one, then Liara most certainly is one. I mean she was suspended in a prothean shield without being able to move and had no access to food or water. So, wihout Shepard showing up. She most definitely would have died.... from lack of water and food.
No, it just means someone move her....Ashley is not a super hero.She had to be saved 3 times in the series.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
She also wasn't taken by the collectors on horizon and avoided their detection the entire time Shepard was on the planet. So again, she wouldn't be dead without Shepard. The only time is on Virmire, sorry pal.
The collectors retreat because of Shepard. Ashley would be reaper goo without Shepards help on Horizon.
She shows up in a completely different spot on the other side of the colony than when she was frozen. That suggests to me that she somehow was free of the seeker swarms paralysis sooner than the colonits. Unless she just teleported there instantly after shepard made the collector ship leave.
If she's not frozen, she's not taken, and if she's not taken... she's not reaper goo.
Modifié par dreman9999, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:49 .
Heather Cline wrote...
I find this thread is full of lulz!
Oh, that's b.s.... She didn't even know if it the project would work. It's not her fault the coucil is the way they are, they always are writtin to be idiotic in the terms of millitary matters. Even if she told the council, they still will be stating reapers do not exsist. And the alliance is still on your side anyway.jeweledleah wrote...
PMC65 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Or you could stay dead while the Reapers wipe everyone out, which would probably just make TIM happier, so in the end, your resurrection may have screwed him over.I'm sorry, but if I didn't 'need' her to help figure out the visions. I would never have recruited her. That being said, it was nice of her to take my body to Cerberus were I was forced to act as the Illusive Man's right hand. Thanks Liara, just thanks. 'Couldn't let me go?' So what are you going to do when Shepard dies from natural causes? Clone him and stick his brain into a new body?
I understand not liking characters but this really makes no sense to me. In the last couple days I've been seeing more people complain about Liara retrieving Shepard's body. From "Who gave her the right?" down to "Horizon is her fault". This is a sure sign that you have moved from disliking a character to hating a character so much that you've thrown sense out the window. "Can you believe that Wanda, the b1 tch, saw that truck coming at me and dared to pull me out of the way? Who does she think she is? I hate her and she tried to put her hands on me ... the nerve! I showed her. I pulled away and walked right into the path of that truck. Suck on this Wanda!"
If you don't like her that much that you can't stand her saving your Shepard then put in your ME2 game and when Shepard gets spaced ... shut it down. Then Liara never went after Shepard, Cerberus never got their hands on Shepard, Horizon never happened ... ertc. etc.
And now my faith in the BSN is restored once again ... there must be a new thread that either hates on Liara or Ashley once a week. This week Liara starts it off and I anxiously await on the Ashley thread to pop up. The biggest joke about these threads is that the Ash & Liara fans post negative comments in the other character's thread and then can't understand why their own character is misunderstood or hated on.
Pot meet kettle.
Now back to Skyrim.
personaly, I don't hate liara, or blame her for saving Shepard's body. I blame her for not telling anyone what happened. She is an indirect casue of a lot of issues Shepard has with council and alliance, because she knows which rumors are not true... yet she does NOTHING to dispell them. I'm fairly sure she was keeping updated on Shepard's progress. she pays your landing fees when you arrive on Illium, she is expecting you, she is a VERY good information broker.
I resent her for not sharing that information and her part in Shepard's resuraction with people who needed to know. and I resent the preferential treatment she seems to be getting. its not her fault, its the writers, but there it is.
Modifié par dreman9999, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:51 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Samara would kill alot of copwhen she first breaks out, but no matter how bad they are, it a group in mass goes after you your going to be overwhelemed over time. If all of illiumsPolice go after her, she will die.
Jack was in the cryo because she killed every person who gang raped her in that prison.....If they can overwhelem and rape an all powerful biotic, then it'sclear it's not a safe place.Also, saving a damsil in distress does not mean saving them from death only, it also meanssaving them from capture, Jack is capturedin that JAIL.
Ashley would ofbeen kill hands down. the direction she was running to had 2 geth and 4 droids.Remeber, you did distrory then on your way to her. If you were not there, shewould of ran in to them. In the end, if you where not there,she would be facing 4 geth and 6 driods. And she is not commader Shepard, 2 geth is easy for Shepard to take out, not the same for any other person.
And Liara is not a damsil is distress for ME because she 's only saved once......Many other character have been saved more then she has...Much more.
Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:55 .
Punish all trolls wrote...
Liara and Anders are the same character! Both are in love with Shepard and Hawke no matter what you do as the player. You can reject tham but they NEVER JUST GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!
Discuss.
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kumquats wrote...
Punish all trolls wrote...
Liara and Anders are the same character! Both are in love with Shepard and Hawke no matter what you do as the player. You can reject tham but they NEVER JUST GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!
Discuss.
Dear Troll,
I killed Anders during Act2.
Discuss.
Yes, Samara will be overwhelemed by an army of cops, any one would nomatter how bass ass they are.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Samara would kill alot of copwhen she first breaks out, but no matter how bad they are, it a group in mass goes after you your going to be overwhelemed over time. If all of illiumsPolice go after her, she will die.
Jack was in the cryo because she killed every person who gang raped her in that prison.....If they can overwhelem and rape an all powerful biotic, then it'sclear it's not a safe place.Also, saving a damsil in distress does not mean saving them from death only, it also meanssaving them from capture, Jack is capturedin that JAIL.
Ashley would ofbeen kill hands down. the direction she was running to had 2 geth and 4 droids.Remeber, you did distrory then on your way to her. If you were not there, shewould of ran in to them. In the end, if you where not there,she would be facing 4 geth and 6 driods. And she is not commader Shepard, 2 geth is easy for Shepard to take out, not the same for any other person.
And Liara is not a damsil is distress for ME because she 's only saved once......Many other character have been saved more then she has...Much more.
oh for the love of...
Samara is NOT going to be overwhelmed by a bunch of cops. Not to mention, when she breaks out... she's right next to the freakin shuttle port. Easy to get away.
Not sure where you got the "gang raped" her part... but even if that is true, you said she killed every one of them. Therefore, meaning she cleared herself of the danger and is now in cryo... SAFE from all that. Again... not a life threatening situation.
Thinking Ashley can't kill two geth b/c she isn't Shepard is just dumb. Not even gonna argue that anymore.
Liara in ME1 is the very definition of a damsel in distress. Stuck in a place she can't even try to get out of herself. She will die if not for the hero and she is actively calling to the hero for aid. Oh and she is easy on the eyes. classic Damsel.
Modifié par dreman9999, 13 novembre 2011 - 06:12 .
jeweledleah wrote...
personaly, I don't hate liara, or blame her for saving Shepard's body. I blame her for not telling anyone what happened. She is an indirect casue of a lot of issues Shepard has with council and alliance, because she knows which rumors are not true... yet she does NOTHING to dispell them. I'm fairly sure she was keeping updated on Shepard's progress. she pays your landing fees when you arrive on Illium, she is expecting you, she is a VERY good information broker.
I resent her for not sharing that information and her part in Shepard's resuraction with people who needed to know. and I resent the preferential treatment she seems to be getting. its not her fault, its the writers, but there it is.
Heather Cline wrote...
I find this thread is full of lulz!
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, Samara will be overwhelemed by an army of cops, any one would nomatter how bass ass they are.xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Samara would kill alot of copwhen she first breaks out, but no matter how bad they are, it a group in mass goes after you your going to be overwhelemed over time. If all of illiumsPolice go after her, she will die.
Jack was in the cryo because she killed every person who gang raped her in that prison.....If they can overwhelem and rape an all powerful biotic, then it'sclear it's not a safe place.Also, saving a damsil in distress does not mean saving them from death only, it also meanssaving them from capture, Jack is capturedin that JAIL.
Ashley would ofbeen kill hands down. the direction she was running to had 2 geth and 4 droids.Remeber, you did distrory then on your way to her. If you were not there, shewould of ran in to them. In the end, if you where not there,she would be facing 4 geth and 6 driods. And she is not commader Shepard, 2 geth is easy for Shepard to take out, not the same for any other person.
And Liara is not a damsil is distress for ME because she 's only saved once......Many other character have been saved more then she has...Much more.
oh for the love of...
Samara is NOT going to be overwhelmed by a bunch of cops. Not to mention, when she breaks out... she's right next to the freakin shuttle port. Easy to get away.
Not sure where you got the "gang raped" her part... but even if that is true, you said she killed every one of them. Therefore, meaning she cleared herself of the danger and is now in cryo... SAFE from all that. Again... not a life threatening situation.
Thinking Ashley can't kill two geth b/c she isn't Shepard is just dumb. Not even gonna argue that anymore.
Liara in ME1 is the very definition of a damsel in distress. Stuck in a place she can't even try to get out of herself. She will die if not for the hero and she is actively calling to the hero for aid. Oh and she is easy on the eyes. classic Damsel.
Also, The rape comment is from her comment on the citidel. http://www.youtube.c...=57S_Z2aC6FQ...
And even if she kill them all, it still is avery dangerous place. And she was capture. One ofthe things you save a damsil in distress form is being captured.
Again, she was not just running from 2 geth. She was also about to run into 4 turrents and 2 more geth, and the 2 geth she is running form has better tech, weopons and protection then she does. Shepard is a n7 opporative, he/she has the gear and skill to kill 2 geth easily, Ashily does not.
And no, Liara is not a damsel in distress because you only save her once. Ashley fitsyour difiniton more then liara.
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