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[Goody Two Shoes]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ashley had to be saved thrice. All three due to incompetance.

She was running from two geth drones. Which is pretty pethetic compared to Liara who fought he way through hords of mercs to get shepards body.

No Ashley would have died if you hadn't come she specifically says this.
She was exhausted and weak. Comparing her to an N7 special ops-trained-and groomed-by-the-best-Anderson and Hackett is a downright insult to Shepard.

Even by a miracle she survived the geth attack. SAREN'S NUKES would have blown her up to the first three letters to her name. ASH!

So yeah shep had to save her.

Vermire u say she would have survived the geth attack well think again vermire prooved how they couldnt handle the gets. Both party got pinned down by what was three or four geth. So no vermire she had to be safe.


Horizon speaks for itself.

Liara has to be saved once. And pays you back by saving Shep's body.

Incase you missed it Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save her. EX: Feron and Shep.

Also the second time when Shep goes to "SAVE Liara" in the dracon trade center in lotsb.

Its Liara who saves Sheperd from Vasir from becoming a "Nihilus 2.0"

She also saved him from being 'biotic glass skewered'. How many squadmates can say they have saved and helped Shep. What has Ash done other than put herself and others in harms way.

She smack down Vasir when Shep drops his clips.

In turn Shepard saves her from the Shadow Broker's table.

And she was the one who found out how to beat the broker.

Unlike all the other relationship and friendship Liara, Joker, Anderson and Miranda are only ones that does something for Shepard. And is not onesided.

Shep gained the most from a platonic/romantic relation from Liara.


Think before you guys call her a damsel in distress while elavating a ****ty character like Ashley to uber competant,tough and independant.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Nayt Navare]

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ashley had to be saved thrice. All three due to incompetance.

She was running from two geth drones. Which is pretty pethetic compared to Liara who fought he way through hords of mercs to get shepards body.

No Ashley would have died if you hadn't come she specifically says this.
She was exhausted and weak. Comparing her to an N7 special ops-trained-and groomed-by-the-best-Anderson and Hackett is a downright insult to Shepard.

Even by a miracle she survived the geth attack. SAREN'S NUKES would have blown her up to the first three letters to her name. ASH!

So yeah shep had to save her.

Vermire u say she would have survived the geth attack well think again vermire prooved how they couldnt handle the gets. Both party got pinned down by what was three or four geth. So no vermire she had to be safe.


Horizon speaks for itself.

Liara has to be saved once. And pays you back by saving Shep's body.

Incase you missed it Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save her. EX: Feron and Shep.

Also the second time when Shep goes to "SAVE Liara" in the dracon trade center in lotsb.

Its Liara who saves Sheperd from Vasir from becoming a "Nihilus 2.0"

She also saved him from being 'biotic glass skewered'. How many squadmates can say they have saved and helped Shep. What has Ash done other than put herself and others in harms way.

She smack down Vasir when Shep drops his clips.

In turn Shepard saves her from the Shadow Broker's table.

And she was the one who found out how to beat the broker.

Unlike all the other relationship and friendship Liara, Joker, Anderson and Miranda are only ones that does something for Shepard. And is not onesided.

Shep gained the most from a platonic/romantic relation from Liara.


Think before you guys call her a damsel in distress while elavating a ****ty character like Ashley to uber competant,tough and independant.

Couldn't have said it better.

Agreed!

[dreman9999]

SE JN wrote...

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ashley had to be saved thrice. All three due to incompetance.

She was running from two geth drones. Which is pretty pethetic compared to Liara who fought he way through hords of mercs to get shepards body.

No Ashley would have died if you hadn't come she specifically says this.
She was exhausted and weak. Comparing her to an N7 special ops-trained-and groomed-by-the-best-Anderson and Hackett is a downright insult to Shepard.

Even by a miracle she survived the geth attack. SAREN'S NUKES would have blown her up to the first three letters to her name. ASH!

So yeah shep had to save her.

Vermire u say she would have survived the geth attack well think again vermire prooved how they couldnt handle the gets. Both party got pinned down by what was three or four geth. So no vermire she had to be safe.


Horizon speaks for itself.

Liara has to be saved once. And pays you back by saving Shep's body.

Incase you missed it Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save her. EX: Feron and Shep.

Also the second time when Shep goes to "SAVE Liara" in the dracon trade center in lotsb.

Its Liara who saves Sheperd from Vasir from becoming a "Nihilus 2.0"

She also saved him from being 'biotic glass skewered'. How many squadmates can say they have saved and helped Shep. What has Ash done other than put herself and others in harms way.

She smack down Vasir when Shep drops his clips.

In turn Shepard saves her from the Shadow Broker's table.

And she was the one who found out how to beat the broker.

Unlike all the other relationship and friendship Liara, Joker, Anderson and Miranda are only ones that does something for Shepard. And is not onesided.

Shep gained the most from a platonic/romantic relation from Liara.


Think before you guys call her a damsel in distress while elavating a ****ty character like Ashley to uber competant,tough and independant.

Couldn't have said it better.

Agreed!

*Claps slowly with tears in eyes.

[Silver77nz]

So who got their Liara statue yet?? Still waiting for Garrus, Tali, Kaidan, Ashely, Wrex, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Jack, Grunt, Thane, Samara, Legion, Kasumi, and don't forget Joker statue!

[Xilizhra]

What, you want animesque mutilations of all of them? I think the statue is more like a punishment for Liara.

Okay, maybe not, but I really don't think you're missing much.

[DoNotIngest]

Forget the "maybe not" bit, Xil. It's much better to not have statues than to have more Liara-style ones to look at and wonder what could have been.

[Dariustwinblade]

Why would any fan want that abomination that ppl call a statue is beyond me.

[CptData]

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ashley had to be saved thrice. All three due to incompetance.

She was running from two geth drones. Which is pretty pethetic compared to Liara who fought he way through hords of mercs to get shepards body.

No Ashley would have died if you hadn't come she specifically says this.
She was exhausted and weak. Comparing her to an N7 special ops-trained-and groomed-by-the-best-Anderson and Hackett is a downright insult to Shepard.

Even by a miracle she survived the geth attack. SAREN'S NUKES would have blown her up to the first three letters to her name. ASH!

So yeah shep had to save her.

Vermire u say she would have survived the geth attack well think again vermire prooved how they couldnt handle the gets. Both party got pinned down by what was three or four geth. So no vermire she had to be safe.


Horizon speaks for itself.

Liara has to be saved once. And pays you back by saving Shep's body.

Incase you missed it Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save her. EX: Feron and Shep.

Also the second time when Shep goes to "SAVE Liara" in the dracon trade center in lotsb.

Its Liara who saves Sheperd from Vasir from becoming a "Nihilus 2.0"

She also saved him from being 'biotic glass skewered'. How many squadmates can say they have saved and helped Shep. What has Ash done other than put herself and others in harms way.

She smack down Vasir when Shep drops his clips.

In turn Shepard saves her from the Shadow Broker's table.

And she was the one who found out how to beat the broker.

Unlike all the other relationship and friendship Liara, Joker, Anderson and Miranda are only ones that does something for Shepard. And is not onesided.

Shep gained the most from a platonic/romantic relation from Liara.


Think before you guys call her a damsel in distress while elavating a ****ty character like Ashley to uber competant,tough and independant.

Couldn't have said it better.

I agree in some points but not in all.

1. Ashley running away from Geth drones.
I don't know what happened. Ashley lost her entire unit to Geth, and I'm sure they died while fighting of some serious Geth units. Ash was the last survivor and had to fall back. The Drones were the only units being fast enough to follow her - or the only units the Geth sent because they thought one soldier shouldn't give any more trouble now.

So Ashley didn't flee from two Drones but from a battlefield.

Ashley is NOT YET on par with any N7. She's just a normal grunt. However, she becomes far more than that - if she makes it through Virmire.

2. Virmire (that's how it's written) proves nothing. Ashley got pinned down together with a STG squad (AA towers) - or alone vs a couple of Geth. I'd say even Shepard will have his/her problems with several Geth while being alone without any cover on higher difficulties. Also the game doesn't give you an idea how many Geth Ash or Kaidan had to fight before getting overwhelmed.

3. Horizon got some really awful writing and content missing. Besides that - you can't say Ashley / Kaidan got caught because lack of competency.


Liara doesn't seem to be in trouble that often, but she got caught by a stase field she never could have leaved without Shepard's help. I don't know if this happened because of her incompetency or not, and I won't call her incompetent.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I never considered this before. I always presumed that Anders was more like Garrus.

Also, Anders constantly tries to warn Hawke away from getting into a relationship with him. Whereas Liara encourages it at every opportunity she gets

[Vilio1]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I never considered this before. I always presumed that Anders was more like Garrus.

Also, Anders constantly tries to warn Hawke away from getting into a relationship with him. Whereas Liara encourages it at every opportunity she gets

I never romanced Anders, but I thought people are offended because Anders initiates the romance with Hawke?

Btw, Liara asks Shepard exactly once.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

On my first playthrough, I went for Fenris, and Anders didn't make a move on me. Then when I did go for Anders, he always said how it wasn't a good idea, and that he would only end up hurting Hawke.

All I am saying is that Liara is nothing like that in her romance, so I found it odd that the OP made the comparison based on romance.

[Dariustwinblade]

Ander only initiates the relationship. If you don't flirt with him even once. Get him to super like your Hawke.

His only advancement on male Hawke who never flirted with him and is super friends pissed ppl off.

So no Liara and Anders are nothing alike!

[jamesp81]

Pennyball wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The VS is Anders. Trust me.

What's so Anderslike in VS?

Come on.  Everyone knows Shepard is Anders.  It's like this:

Anders: I once blew up a church full of people who were oppressing those like me.
Shepard: I once blew up a whole damn planet full of slave traders.
Anders: That's.....awesome.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

jamesp81 wrote...

Come on.  Everyone knows Shepard is Anders.  It's like this:

Anders: I once blew up a church full of people who were oppressing those like me.
Shepard: I once blew up a whole damn planet full of slave traders.
Anders: That's.....awesome.

Hawke needs to make sure that Anders never meets Shepard .

[Ravensword]

I wonder if Adepts in ME3 can use their blood to augment their biotics.

[Dariustwinblade]

So thats what the "overpower" ability does.

[dreman9999]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ander only initiates the relationship. If you don't flirt with him even once. Get him to super like your Hawke.

His only advancement on male Hawke who never flirted with him and is super friends pissed ppl off.

So no Liara and Anders are nothing alike!

Did you miss the part in ME1 where Liara tells your femshep she has feeling for you even if you two just met?
They both hit on you with no sign of romanic interest from you, the difference is that Anders is aggressive about it and male and Liara is passive about it and female.

[mineralica]

Yuqi wrote...

Liara/ Anders are subtly implied to be the cannon LI.  Although more Liara then Anders in some ways IMO.

Anders? Canon LI? Would never guessed. And rather many people tell that it's a bad idea, including Anders himself. If anyone, closest DA2 character to Liara will be Varric - large plot relevance, plot armor, useful build.

And I don't see similarities between Liara and Anders - I hate them for different reasons, thanks.

[dreman9999]

CptData wrote...

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ashley had to be saved thrice. All three due to incompetance.

She was running from two geth drones. Which is pretty pethetic compared to Liara who fought he way through hords of mercs to get shepards body.

No Ashley would have died if you hadn't come she specifically says this.
She was exhausted and weak. Comparing her to an N7 special ops-trained-and groomed-by-the-best-Anderson and Hackett is a downright insult to Shepard.

Even by a miracle she survived the geth attack. SAREN'S NUKES would have blown her up to the first three letters to her name. ASH!

So yeah shep had to save her.

Vermire u say she would have survived the geth attack well think again vermire prooved how they couldnt handle the gets. Both party got pinned down by what was three or four geth. So no vermire she had to be safe.


Horizon speaks for itself.

Liara has to be saved once. And pays you back by saving Shep's body.

Incase you missed it Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save her. EX: Feron and Shep.

Also the second time when Shep goes to "SAVE Liara" in the dracon trade center in lotsb.

Its Liara who saves Sheperd from Vasir from becoming a "Nihilus 2.0"

She also saved him from being 'biotic glass skewered'. How many squadmates can say they have saved and helped Shep. What has Ash done other than put herself and others in harms way.

She smack down Vasir when Shep drops his clips.

In turn Shepard saves her from the Shadow Broker's table.

And she was the one who found out how to beat the broker.

Unlike all the other relationship and friendship Liara, Joker, Anderson and Miranda are only ones that does something for Shepard. And is not onesided.

Shep gained the most from a platonic/romantic relation from Liara.


Think before you guys call her a damsel in distress while elavating a ****ty character like Ashley to uber competant,tough and independant.

Couldn't have said it better.

I agree in some points but not in all.

1. Ashley running away from Geth drones.
I don't know what happened. Ashley lost her entire unit to Geth, and I'm sure they died while fighting of some serious Geth units. Ash was the last survivor and had to fall back. The Drones were the only units being fast enough to follow her - or the only units the Geth sent because they thought one soldier shouldn't give any more trouble now.

So Ashley didn't flee from two Drones but from a battlefield.

Ashley is NOT YET on par with any N7. She's just a normal grunt. However, she becomes far more than that - if she makes it through Virmire.

2. Virmire (that's how it's written) proves nothing. Ashley got pinned down together with a STG squad (AA towers) - or alone vs a couple of Geth. I'd say even Shepard will have his/her problems with several Geth while being alone without any cover on higher difficulties. Also the game doesn't give you an idea how many Geth Ash or Kaidan had to fight before getting overwhelmed.

3. Horizon got some really awful writing and content missing. Besides that - you can't say Ashley / Kaidan got caught because lack of competency.


Liara doesn't seem to be in trouble that often, but she got caught by a stase field she never could have leaved without Shepard's help. I don't know if this happened because of her incompetency or not, and I won't call her incompetent.

1. It does not matter about what she becomes. It about who she is at that point. And  at that point she is a damsel in distress.

2.So what? She's trapped and she has no way to get out. If she need saving she's a damsel in distress.

3. You don't have to be incompetent to be a damsel in distress.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 novembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It does not matter about what she becomes. It about who she is at that point. And  at that point she is a damsel in distress.

2.So what? She's trapped and she has no way to get out. If she need saving she's a damsel in distress.

3. You don't have to be incompetent to be a damsel in distress.

There's more to being a damsel in distress than needing help, though. Otherwise ALL women (or even male) characters who needed help would be damsels.

A large part of the damsel-in-distress scenario depends on impotency and utter helplessness, both before and after the rescue. Women who are fighting, even a losing battle, don't apply. Nor do people able to help in their own support.

Tali facing an ambush and throwing a grenade at her assassins is not a damsal role: Tali standing by on Horizon or her recruitment mission or her trial and leaving everything to Shepard is a damsal role. Liara waiting in a stasis field for Shepard to come by and rescue her, or Liara nearly fainting after every joining, is a damsal role: Liara needing help to survive a Spectre assassin is not.

Ashley was running, but she was also still fighting the Geth when we met her: our first real cutscene has her shooting a Geth drone down, after all. Only Horizon could count as a damsal role... except that Horizon was a context where EVERYONE without Seeker-protection was helpless, a point so general as to avoid specifity. If anyone was the damsal on Horizon, it was the colony itself.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It does not matter about what she becomes. It about who she is at that point. And  at that point she is a damsel in distress.

2.So what? She's trapped and she has no way to get out. If she need saving she's a damsel in distress.

3. You don't have to be incompetent to be a damsel in distress.

There's more to being a damsel in distress than needing help, though. Otherwise ALL women (or even male) characters who needed help would be damsels.

A large part of the damsel-in-distress scenario depends on impotency and utter helplessness, both before and after the rescue. Women who are fighting, even a losing battle, don't apply. Nor do people able to help in their own support.

Tali facing an ambush and throwing a grenade at her assassins is not a damsal role: Tali standing by on Horizon or her recruitment mission or her trial and leaving everything to Shepard is a damsal role. Liara waiting in a stasis field for Shepard to come by and rescue her, or Liara nearly fainting after every joining, is a damsal role: Liara needing help to survive a Spectre assassin is not.

Ashley was running, but she was also still fighting the Geth when we met her: our first real cutscene has her shooting a Geth drone down, after all. Only Horizon could count as a damsal role... except that Horizon was a context where EVERYONE without Seeker-protection was helpless, a point so general as to avoid specifity. If anyone was the damsal on Horizon, it was the colony itself.

Finally! Someone else that understands the phrase "damsel in distress."

Kudos to you, good sir.

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 15 novembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[jamesp81]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Come on.  Everyone knows Shepard is Anders.  It's like this:

Anders: I once blew up a church full of people who were oppressing those like me.
Shepard: I once blew up a whole damn planet full of slave traders.
Anders: That's.....awesome.

Hawke needs to make sure that Anders never meets Shepard .

Yes, the universe would not be able to tolerate the explosive levels of awesome that they could cook up together.

[Jean]

In an " always loves Shepard/Hawke regardless" kind of way?
Sure.

...Annnd that's about as far as I see a connection between the two.

[BlueMagitek]

Liara can't be Anders. Anders is only blue some of the time. ~_^

While the two share some similarities, I wouldn't say that they're close enough to be considered cut outs of each other.

[CptData]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It does not matter about what she becomes. It about who she is at that point. And  at that point she is a damsel in distress.

2.So what? She's trapped and she has no way to get out. If she need saving she's a damsel in distress.

3. You don't have to be incompetent to be a damsel in distress.

There's more to being a damsel in distress than needing help, though. Otherwise ALL women (or even male) characters who needed help would be damsels.

A large part of the damsel-in-distress scenario depends on impotency and utter helplessness, both before and after the rescue. Women who are fighting, even a losing battle, don't apply. Nor do people able to help in their own support.

Tali facing an ambush and throwing a grenade at her assassins is not a damsal role: Tali standing by on Horizon or her recruitment mission or her trial and leaving everything to Shepard is a damsal role. Liara waiting in a stasis field for Shepard to come by and rescue her, or Liara nearly fainting after every joining, is a damsal role: Liara needing help to survive a Spectre assassin is not.

Ashley was running, but she was also still fighting the Geth when we met her: our first real cutscene has her shooting a Geth drone down, after all. Only Horizon could count as a damsal role... except that Horizon was a context where EVERYONE without Seeker-protection was helpless, a point so general as to avoid specifity. If anyone was the damsal on Horizon, it was the colony itself.

Finally! Someone else that understands the phrase "damsel in distress."

Kudos to you, good sir.

I second that.

About Ashley (Kaidan) on Horizon: technically, that's no "damsel in distress role" since Shepard wasn't on that mission to rescue her. He never did or tried - Ashley got paralyzed by stasis and Shepard didn't actively free her. Things could have ended entirely different for Ashley, even with Shepard interferring the Collectors - she could have been one of the first getting abducted.
Lets say if BW would have added a scene where you have to free Ashley I'd say "damsel in distress". But since that scene is missing it's just coincidence Shepard saved Ashley.

Damsels in distress are in ME2 any abducted crewmates of the SR2.