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[Gervaise]

I had a couple of ideas that occurred to me, obviously speculation but thought I would run then by to see what people think.

First off, the taint.  I was reflecting on the fact that the assault on the Fade required huge amounts of blood sacrifice and lyrium.  Now lyrium is clearly not the most stable of elements and can have very bad effects, particularly in its raw form.  Could the taint have been caused by the interaction of the blood and the lyrium, rather than by the mere act of setting foot physically in the Fade?

Second, the Kossith.  Allegedly there was no sign of them until they appeared on their war ships in, I think, the Steel Age.  The assumption has been that another life form developed in some other part of the world completely independently and then set off in their ships for reasons unknown, trusting that they would find a suitable destination.   People have also questioned how Ogres were present in the First Blight if that was the case.     I was wondering if the Kossith are actually the result of magical experimentation.by the early Tevinter Magisters.    These were kept as slaves but some escaped and fled overseas.  Those that remained became the first ogres, while the escapees went on to develop their own culture and ultimately returned to their original setting off point of Par Vollen.   Their prophet could have been among the original people who fled, so his observations on society and the nature of the world had been gained from travelling through Thedas, or he was a later individual who arose after their departure.   The limited extracts that we have been given from his philosophy suggest the society it grew out of was little different in its inequality and failings from current Thedas and this itself has changed little over the last two millenia, merely the ruling class who presides over it, so it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Koslan had experienced it first hand.

Any thoughts on the matter from those who aren't taken up playing Skyrim?

[whykikyouwhy]

By "assault on the Fade," do you mean the Golden City? If so, I don't know that the Golden City is truly considered part of the Fade - at least, I don't recall seeing anything definitive. It could have been a part of the Fade that was separate from the whole, it could be a whole new plane in and of itself.

But you pose an interesting theory with regard to the origin of Rotten Twinkie City - that the combination of lyrium and blood made for the taint. This would seem to imply though that the transformation was fairly quick (figuring off course that the assault was one large volley and not something that took weeks or months of chipping away at the barrier, so to speak). I'm inclined to think that the rottenness, the taint, existed in some form or another prior to the assault, and that once the walls were breached, and the magisters entered the "city" (that they thought should be golden), the taint was unleashed. Could it have been something not so malevolent but was changed when exposed to the air/the blood/the magicks? Sure.

As for the Kossith, my gut tells me that they're just a different people. If anything, maybe they are derived from dragons (you know, the horns and all). But for a people to be sequestered for centuries and then emerge into the "known" world would not be unusual. With the 2 games, we've only been given a piece of the map of the DA world. There are likely lands, creatures and peoples beyond our line of vision - and all sorts of politics involved therein.

[Arthur Cousland]

Yes, Theadas is but one continent, not a whole planet. Perhaps there are races of people even more unique than the Kossith out there?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ogres are almost nothing like Kossith. Kossith aren't tainted or darkspawn. I'm not sure if ogres are supposed to have been present in the First Blight or just in the previous Blights in general.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 novembre 2011 - 07:15 .

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Ogres are almost nothing like Kossith. Kossith aren't tainted or darkspawn. I'm not sure if ogres are supposed to have been present in the First Blight or just in the previous Blights in general.

So... Kossith is the racial name for the Qunari?  But yeah, it's been established in game that ogres are qunari darkspawn. 

Dwarf = Genlock
Human = Hurlock
Elf = Shriek
Qunari = Ogre

Darkspawn Reproduction at Dragon Age Wiki

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 novembre 2011 - 09:16 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Ogres are almost nothing like Kossith. Kossith aren't tainted or darkspawn. I'm not sure if ogres are supposed to have been present in the First Blight or just in the previous Blights in general.

This has puzzled me aswell. People on here seems to suggest that it is confirmed that Ogres were present at the First Blight, but I can't find any reference of that anywhere..

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It is possible that they simply interpreted David Gaider saying that they were present in previous Blights as they must have been in the first one too.

[heiveldboy]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Ogres are almost nothing like Kossith. Kossith aren't tainted or darkspawn. I'm not sure if ogres are supposed to have been present in the First Blight or just in the previous Blights in general.

So... Kossith is the racial name for the Qunari?  But yeah, it's been established in game that ogres are qunari darkspawn. 

Dwarf = Genlock
Human = Hurlock
Elf = Shriek
Qunari = Ogre

Darkspawn Reproduction at Dragon Age Wiki

I actually wonder how the darkspawn might be able to get female Kossith for their ogres... I mean all female Qunari reside within Par Vollen or any other Qunari land and do not leave it. Sure there might be some Tal-Vashoth out there, but those are very few and mostly male, yet we see a decent amount of ogres during the blight.

Are Darkspawn capable of travelling to Par Vollen and kidnap female Qunari? Without anything to lead them?

[Knight of Dane]

We don't know how far the Dwarven empire went, we only have Orzammar and Kal Sharok as leftovers. Then there is the elven ruins in the Dalish Origin and Witch Hunt that connects to the Dwarven Tunnels, that's the easternmost part with Kal Hirol we know of.

Then i remember in-game mentioning of a Glittering City called Darmallon, but i don't hink we were ever told it's location aside "Far to the West," which could be in anywhere in Orlais really, or perhaps beyond the mountains at their westernmost border.