I never thought I'd like the open world games until Fallout 3 & NV. I've loved them. With that said, I agree with the story deficiency. Personally, I like the wanderer aspect: being all alone in the wasteland.. I thought New Vegas was too busy. It didn't even come across as "post-apocalypse"; everywhere you turn there are bright lights and people. In fallout 3, you'd be walking around for an hour without seeing another person. When you did, there was genuine apprehension.
Why do some people think that Fallout 3's story sucked?
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I don't get this thing about the ambient. I preferred the New Vegas ambient, it felt more like Fallout. 200 years have passed, very few bombs fell on Nevada thanks to Mr. House, that's probably why it doesn't feel like an abandoned wasteland. If you ask me there's plenty of times when New Vegas feels empty especially when walking through the desert.
I never felt that New Vegas was busy, ever not unless I was in the Strip and that's something I liked a lot. It was as if the Strip was a whole new and different world from the outside, it felt like something particularly unique. I never got that feeling about any place in Falout 3, in fact I found the lack of that boring.
I guess you could say DC was probably bombed more than any other place, my favorite part about it was going through the metro tunnels, I can say New Vegas was missing that. Nonetheless, the lack of enemy variety in Fallout 3 bores me sometimes, as far as I can tell most enemies are Enclave troops, raiders or Super Mutants. New Vegas had the jackals, vipers, fiends, and many other potential enemies like NCR, the Legion, Great Khans, Boomers, Brotherhood of Steel, the New Vegas families, the Kings, white legs, marked men, lobotomites, etc. There's a lot of enemy variety and that adds to the ambient IMO.
I never felt that New Vegas was busy, ever not unless I was in the Strip and that's something I liked a lot. It was as if the Strip was a whole new and different world from the outside, it felt like something particularly unique. I never got that feeling about any place in Falout 3, in fact I found the lack of that boring.
I guess you could say DC was probably bombed more than any other place, my favorite part about it was going through the metro tunnels, I can say New Vegas was missing that. Nonetheless, the lack of enemy variety in Fallout 3 bores me sometimes, as far as I can tell most enemies are Enclave troops, raiders or Super Mutants. New Vegas had the jackals, vipers, fiends, and many other potential enemies like NCR, the Legion, Great Khans, Boomers, Brotherhood of Steel, the New Vegas families, the Kings, white legs, marked men, lobotomites, etc. There's a lot of enemy variety and that adds to the ambient IMO.
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Fallout 3 was the first modern video game (I only got back into serious PC gaming a few years ago) that really captured my imagination and made me not want to stop playing. I think the moment that I was decisively "won over" was resolving the Arefu/Family dispute by negotiating the blood pack exchange while taking Ian West back to the town. I guess it was the combination of a reasonably compelling conflict with a couple of unexpected twists and the fact that it wasn't resolved by just shooting a bunch of stuff or collecting X number of random items. I also remember when I had just left the vault and saw an Enclave Eyebot off in the distance, and had the exact same reaction as my character, i.e. "What the heck is that thing? Should I check it out, or stay away from it in case it's dangerous?" (I went with "stay away from it" at the time.)
In a sense, I recognize that the actual writing of the characters, factions, and backstories in New Vegas was better, but I never felt quite so immersed in the Mojave as I did in the Capital Wasteland. I think the big difference was that I had a better sense of the character I myself was playing with the Lone Wanderer (since we spend about an hour playing through his/her background at the beginning), and it was easier to get into the role because everything was as new to the LW as it was to me, the player. The Courier, on the other hand, feels like (s)he *should* have a history with the Mojave, since pretty much everyone in the area seems to know something about the dam, the Strip, the NCR, and the Legion, but instead the character is just a complete blank slate except for an apparent determination to find and confront Benny. The first Courier I played was a decidedly small-picture altruist who was more inclined to just stay away from anything having to do with Benny or the Platinum Chip, and I kept waiting for the game to give me a more immediate reason to go to the Strip, but it never happened.
In a sense, I recognize that the actual writing of the characters, factions, and backstories in New Vegas was better, but I never felt quite so immersed in the Mojave as I did in the Capital Wasteland. I think the big difference was that I had a better sense of the character I myself was playing with the Lone Wanderer (since we spend about an hour playing through his/her background at the beginning), and it was easier to get into the role because everything was as new to the LW as it was to me, the player. The Courier, on the other hand, feels like (s)he *should* have a history with the Mojave, since pretty much everyone in the area seems to know something about the dam, the Strip, the NCR, and the Legion, but instead the character is just a complete blank slate except for an apparent determination to find and confront Benny. The first Courier I played was a decidedly small-picture altruist who was more inclined to just stay away from anything having to do with Benny or the Platinum Chip, and I kept waiting for the game to give me a more immediate reason to go to the Strip, but it never happened.
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What I don't get is how can people praise F3 for originality and changing the environment, it's like we were playing completely different games, so lets get right down to annihilating these two ludicrous ideas.
1. The main story is soooo oryginal!
I have met this flat out lie to many times it's hard to not just say " no, f*** you." and move on, but lets go over this one more time.The main storyline is a lazy composite of Fallout 1 and 2, nothing more and nothing less - Fallout 1 had water purification, Vaults and Super Mutants, while 2 had GECK and the Enclave.... what do we do great Toddy? Why of course! Make a game about a GECK that purifies water while fighting super mutants and the Enclave. ...
5 STARS!
A+!
GIVE THESE GUYS A NOBEL!
Christ's sake people it's so obvious they brought back the Enclave from the dead and threw them on the other end of the continent just so this cheap attempt to pander to old fans would be clear as day.
1a. Your choices MATTER!
Matter my ass, you can do whatever the f*** you want and the story will still railroad the same narrow corridor it was ment to be played form the get go. Think about it people you have a choice to blow up a town, with a nuclear bomb no less, in any sane world the person responsible would have been hunted by every living being in the capital wasteland if just to be on the safe side that they wouldn't be next. And what dose happen? An annoying t*** on the radio mocks you a bit, and then your father gives you a stern talking to, and yet everybody still expects you to save the godamned world.
2. A fresh new feel!
Ever noticed how the people that throw this argument around as the same exact douchebags that never heard of fallout before 3? Not only is this brain numbing it's also kind of terrafying how the industry's staple of makeing everything a shooter is makeing it "fresh" - kind of bizzaro no?
On to the main point thou, no it's not. Your back in the same state that the West coast was dureing Fallout 1, your shooting the same Super mutants and trying to suck up to the same Techno-zealots, in the same desert area with a small urban ruin - one you can't even walk 5 steps in before being shoved in to the 100th copy pasted subway.
And I know that SOME of these guys know what "fresh" is, The Pitt was fresh, Point Lookout was Fresh, Fallout 3 was entierly Commitee designed, playing it safe on every front, there was endless possabylitys here, to make new factions, and a wholly enw setting - but no were stuc recyceling the same godamned factions that were done a decade ago, even the godamned vault you live in is so uninpiringly identical to Vault 13 it's not even worth pointing it out. And am I really to believe that in the last 200 years absolutely NO progress was made in establishing at least a few communitys bigger than 3 streets across with the population peaking at 10?
And before you say there are new vaults with imaginative experiments - Obsidian staff made the concepts for those vaults in the Fallout Bible.
2a. Welcome to the East Coast, with new areas, new peaople, new factiosn vieing for contro- oh it's you guys...
This has to be my biggest gripe with the game, in the corporate spirit of playing it safe on every single front, Bethesda instead of steping in to the real creative pools, decided to COPY EVERYTHING. Seriously Everyone is here for the party, The Brotherhood of Steel - who are no a bunch of White Knight superheroes, instead of technology craveing fanatics - The Super mutants - in the 80 years between F1 and F2 a lot of the super mutants only made out as far as to northern California from southern California, were to believe they made it across the continent by foot in 30? - And last but not least, the Enclave - pretty spry for a faction that was BLOWN UP on a Ocean oilrig and it's remaining membership fled in to hideing which was only a marginal percent that wasn't in Navarro or the Oilrig at the time ( which considering everyone was beign recalled to Navarro at the time, I'd say the cahnces are pretty slim it's mroe than 5% of the oevrall membership). The Institute was way WAY more interesting than ANY of these guys, and they had a brief cameo mention in a short quest in Rivet City
3. the wasteland is a harsh mistress... but you stole my stale bread, you sick twisted monster.
Do I even have to mention how bizzare and un-human are the people in this game/ it's a given that since Oblivion bethesda's staple are mindless dredges trying to suck out your soul via your eyes dureing every conversation. So instead we will talk about the Karma system, oh my lord - the bat**** insane karma system. Everythign that could have been said about this has been said to detah so I will just say this - a game where you can be a petty baby eating maniac who blew up a nuke in the middle of a densly populated area, and still be considered the Paragon of sweetness and shunshine based on the fact you gave away a tannkard of fresh water to bums outside citys, leaves a lot to be desired.
I will give the game the comedy factor award thou, I always found it histerical Three Dog called me the Savioure form the vault and thenn went **** about what a Sociopath I was, guess the DC wasteland is just full of dicks...
And before you say F1 and 2 had fixed goals, in each game you were doing it in the interest of your community, every game started out with YOUR people being endangered. You were goign to save them no matter what, and if you have to pave the way with corpses then so be it, while in F3 you were doing it becauese.... uh... your mother was Jesus I guess?
This is what fallout's narrative did without boasting about it - with something this simple they shown that there are no heroes or villains in the wastes. Only survivors with conflicting needs. And New Vegas showed that in spades, there was no "right" faction thatw nated to give the pwoer to one and all - it was a 4 way punch-out between 4 equally dickish factions with each haveing there own unique brand of strap on to rape the wasteland with, over who gets to call the shots.
This concludes a short 3 point list on why Fallout 3's storyline is disapointingly lazy.
1. The main story is soooo oryginal!
I have met this flat out lie to many times it's hard to not just say " no, f*** you." and move on, but lets go over this one more time.The main storyline is a lazy composite of Fallout 1 and 2, nothing more and nothing less - Fallout 1 had water purification, Vaults and Super Mutants, while 2 had GECK and the Enclave.... what do we do great Toddy? Why of course! Make a game about a GECK that purifies water while fighting super mutants and the Enclave. ...
5 STARS!
A+!
GIVE THESE GUYS A NOBEL!
Christ's sake people it's so obvious they brought back the Enclave from the dead and threw them on the other end of the continent just so this cheap attempt to pander to old fans would be clear as day.
1a. Your choices MATTER!
Matter my ass, you can do whatever the f*** you want and the story will still railroad the same narrow corridor it was ment to be played form the get go. Think about it people you have a choice to blow up a town, with a nuclear bomb no less, in any sane world the person responsible would have been hunted by every living being in the capital wasteland if just to be on the safe side that they wouldn't be next. And what dose happen? An annoying t*** on the radio mocks you a bit, and then your father gives you a stern talking to, and yet everybody still expects you to save the godamned world.
2. A fresh new feel!
Ever noticed how the people that throw this argument around as the same exact douchebags that never heard of fallout before 3? Not only is this brain numbing it's also kind of terrafying how the industry's staple of makeing everything a shooter is makeing it "fresh" - kind of bizzaro no?
On to the main point thou, no it's not. Your back in the same state that the West coast was dureing Fallout 1, your shooting the same Super mutants and trying to suck up to the same Techno-zealots, in the same desert area with a small urban ruin - one you can't even walk 5 steps in before being shoved in to the 100th copy pasted subway.
And I know that SOME of these guys know what "fresh" is, The Pitt was fresh, Point Lookout was Fresh, Fallout 3 was entierly Commitee designed, playing it safe on every front, there was endless possabylitys here, to make new factions, and a wholly enw setting - but no were stuc recyceling the same godamned factions that were done a decade ago, even the godamned vault you live in is so uninpiringly identical to Vault 13 it's not even worth pointing it out. And am I really to believe that in the last 200 years absolutely NO progress was made in establishing at least a few communitys bigger than 3 streets across with the population peaking at 10?
And before you say there are new vaults with imaginative experiments - Obsidian staff made the concepts for those vaults in the Fallout Bible.
2a. Welcome to the East Coast, with new areas, new peaople, new factiosn vieing for contro- oh it's you guys...
This has to be my biggest gripe with the game, in the corporate spirit of playing it safe on every single front, Bethesda instead of steping in to the real creative pools, decided to COPY EVERYTHING. Seriously Everyone is here for the party, The Brotherhood of Steel - who are no a bunch of White Knight superheroes, instead of technology craveing fanatics - The Super mutants - in the 80 years between F1 and F2 a lot of the super mutants only made out as far as to northern California from southern California, were to believe they made it across the continent by foot in 30? - And last but not least, the Enclave - pretty spry for a faction that was BLOWN UP on a Ocean oilrig and it's remaining membership fled in to hideing which was only a marginal percent that wasn't in Navarro or the Oilrig at the time ( which considering everyone was beign recalled to Navarro at the time, I'd say the cahnces are pretty slim it's mroe than 5% of the oevrall membership). The Institute was way WAY more interesting than ANY of these guys, and they had a brief cameo mention in a short quest in Rivet City
3. the wasteland is a harsh mistress... but you stole my stale bread, you sick twisted monster.
Do I even have to mention how bizzare and un-human are the people in this game/ it's a given that since Oblivion bethesda's staple are mindless dredges trying to suck out your soul via your eyes dureing every conversation. So instead we will talk about the Karma system, oh my lord - the bat**** insane karma system. Everythign that could have been said about this has been said to detah so I will just say this - a game where you can be a petty baby eating maniac who blew up a nuke in the middle of a densly populated area, and still be considered the Paragon of sweetness and shunshine based on the fact you gave away a tannkard of fresh water to bums outside citys, leaves a lot to be desired.
I will give the game the comedy factor award thou, I always found it histerical Three Dog called me the Savioure form the vault and thenn went **** about what a Sociopath I was, guess the DC wasteland is just full of dicks...
And before you say F1 and 2 had fixed goals, in each game you were doing it in the interest of your community, every game started out with YOUR people being endangered. You were goign to save them no matter what, and if you have to pave the way with corpses then so be it, while in F3 you were doing it becauese.... uh... your mother was Jesus I guess?
This is what fallout's narrative did without boasting about it - with something this simple they shown that there are no heroes or villains in the wastes. Only survivors with conflicting needs. And New Vegas showed that in spades, there was no "right" faction thatw nated to give the pwoer to one and all - it was a 4 way punch-out between 4 equally dickish factions with each haveing there own unique brand of strap on to rape the wasteland with, over who gets to call the shots.
This concludes a short 3 point list on why Fallout 3's storyline is disapointingly lazy.
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 11:59
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This thread makes me feel bad for never playing Fallout 1 and 2. 
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 02:14
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It makes me feel relieved.Liamv2 wrote...
This thread makes me feel bad for never playing Fallout 1 and 2.
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 03:01
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vometia wrote...
It makes me feel relieved.Liamv2 wrote...
This thread makes me feel bad for never playing Fallout 1 and 2.
You're missing only a lot.
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 04:43
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LegendaryAvenger wrote...
vometia wrote...
It makes me feel relieved.Liamv2 wrote...
This thread makes me feel bad for never playing Fallout 1 and 2.
You're missing only a lot.
The game is too old to play now.
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 09:49
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Naughty Bear wrote...
The game is too old to play now.
Get a biting towel and bear it. Be a man:D
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I probably play at some point. Might need some mods to be playable like with morrowind and deus ex. Anyways this is getting off topic.
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Khuzor wrote...
I will give the game the comedy factor award thou, I always found it histerical Three Dog called me the Savioure form the vault and thenn went **** about what a Sociopath I was, guess the DC wasteland is just full of dicks...
Haha.
I liked it how he called me the scourge of humanity and then proceeded to mention all the good deeds I'd done for the Wasteland. His reporting was unbaised but it could use some consistency.
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 10:18
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Naughty Bear wrote...
LegendaryAvenger wrote...
vometia wrote...
It makes me feel relieved.Liamv2 wrote...
This thread makes me feel bad for never playing Fallout 1 and 2.
You're missing only a lot.
The game is too old to play now.
Exactly, any gamer (that is not an old****, so, the majority) would prefer FO3 over FO1 and 2.
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Posté 19 septembre 2013 - 11:53
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I'm young and I prefer the old Fallouts, probably because I like the 2D sprites and skill-based dialogue. *shrug*
As to the topic, Fallout 3's story wasn't terrible, just simple and whitewashed.
For Fallout 2, The Restoration Project by Killap includes a patch that simplifies the interface IIRC. I don't remember anything about F1.
As to the topic, Fallout 3's story wasn't terrible, just simple and whitewashed.
Liamv2 wrote...
I probably play at some point. Might need some mods to be playable like with morrowind and deus ex. Anyways this is getting off topic.
For Fallout 2, The Restoration Project by Killap includes a patch that simplifies the interface IIRC. I don't remember anything about F1.
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Exactly, any gamer (that is not an old****, so, the majority) would prefer FO3 over FO1 and 2.
http://en.wikipedia....ntum_ad_populum
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WittingEight65 wrote...
Naughty Bear wrote...
LegendaryAvenger wrote...
vometia wrote...
It makes me feel relieved.Liamv2 wrote...
This thread makes me feel bad for never playing Fallout 1 and 2.
You're missing only a lot.
The game is too old to play now.
Exactly, any gamer (that is not an old****, so, the majority) would prefer FO3 over FO1 and 2.
Ugh. These words make me nauseous. I don't understand this generation's aversion to reading.
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
Ugh. These words make me nauseous. I don't understand this generation's aversion to reading.
And I hate when they crowd my lawn, darn kids...oh wait, there was reading in Fallout 3, lots of it. As well as brilliant quests and a world 10 times more beautiful to explore than the brown sand lands in New Vegas. So yeah. For me, Fallout 3 by a nuclear mile. Also, can the BSN get over the 'we knowz story better than anyone else bullsh*t?' This is the site that still holds DA2 on a pedestal.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 02:39
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Because it did.Why do some people think that Fallout 3's story sucked?
Dido, at least they tried to fix it, unlike some game developers
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slimgrin wrote...
And I hate when they crowd my lawn, darn kids...oh wait, there was reading in Fallout 3, lots of it. As well as brilliant quests and a world 10 times more beautiful to explore than the brown sand lands in New Vegas. So yeah. For me, Fallout 3 by a nuclear mile. Also, can the BSN get over the 'we knowz story better than anyone else bullsh*t?' This is the site that still holds DA2 on a pedestal.
Who does that? I thought this place hated DA2, but then again you can already see everyone throwing themselves at the DA:I hype train even after all that's happened.
Personally, I don't know if I'd prefer FO1 and FO2 over FO3, since I haven't played them. But I do like New Vegas much more than FO3.
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it really wasn't the story that hooked me on that game, it was just a sort of current that led you through it but the side quests, creepy characters and environments are really what shine. had a blast with it.
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I'm definitely an old fart, but I tend to prefer the newer games: whether it's Morrowind and Oblivion, Half Life and HL2, Divine Divinity and Ego Draconis, even Doom and Doom 3 I generally prefer the later ones (DA2 and ME3 were certainly exceptions, though) though that doesn't necessarily mean that I write off the earlier ones. In the case of my earlier comment, I haven't exactly been sold on the idea of FO1 & 2, a subject which invariably seems to involve a lot of unnecessary negativity about FO3, so I guess I conclude that if their fans hate a game that I enjoyed, the reverse is also likely to be true; and I've enough other stuff to catch up on.WittingEight65 wrote...
Exactly, any gamer (that is not an old****, so, the majority) would prefer FO3 over FO1 and 2.
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Fallout 3 - Story and writing sucked. Choice and consequence sucked. Consistency with the previous titles sucked. Atmosphere was amazing. World was fun to explore. Combat was okay.
Fallout: New Vegas - Story and writing was great. Choice and consequence was okay. Consistency with previous titles was good. Atmosphere was good, and was true to the first 2 titles. World was fun to explore, but not as much as 3. Combat was improved, but still only okay.
Still, it's all opinions. Don't stand yours up on a pedestal.
Fallout: New Vegas - Story and writing was great. Choice and consequence was okay. Consistency with previous titles was good. Atmosphere was good, and was true to the first 2 titles. World was fun to explore, but not as much as 3. Combat was improved, but still only okay.
Still, it's all opinions. Don't stand yours up on a pedestal.
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WittingEight65 wrote...
Exactly, any gamer with sh!tty taste would prefer FO3 over FO1 and 2.
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slimgrin wrote...
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Ugh. These words make me nauseous. I don't understand this generation's aversion to reading.
And I hate when they crowd my lawn, darn kids...oh wait, there was reading in Fallout 3, lots of it. As well as brilliant quests and a world 10 times more beautiful to explore than the brown sand lands in New Vegas. So yeah. For me, Fallout 3 by a nuclear mile. Also, can the BSN get over the 'we knowz story better than anyone else bullsh*t?' This is the site that still holds DA2 on a pedestal.
Brilliant quests ?? Beautiful ?? Are you sure you're talking about Fallout 3 ?
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New Vegas glitches to all heavensPious_Augustus wrote...
Keep in mind if you do the main quest it is going to be a short game even New Vegas can be short.
Obsidian takes over when a developer needs a break and they been the same for years. Take over and released an unfinished glitched product and blame everyone else. Seriously every game they make has had this same problem.
