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[onelifecrisis]

Jacen987 wrote...
Then why did they even buy and play 1 and 2, for the promise of 3.

I can't speak for others, but is it so hard to believe that the promise of consequence in 3 was a draw?

I didn't buy into the ME series until I saw reviews of ME2 saying that:
1) it imports ME1 decisions, and
2) it has its own decisions, with consequences, and
3) it has in-game tips promising to import all decisions into ME3

This struck me as very interesting, so I bought ME1+2 together and played them. They're good games, but the whole decision/consequence thing turned out to be a let-down. BW acknowledged this and promised that these decisions would finally pay off in ME3.

Are you following me now, or is this line of thinking still bewilderingly confusing for you?

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 13 novembre 2011 - 07:44 .

[AdmiralCheez]

I'm actually pretty satisfied with how a few decisions play out.

The genophage-related stuff turns out to be a pretty big deal.

[Jacen987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...
Then why did they even buy and play 1 and 2, for the promise of 3.

I can't speak for others, but is it so hard to believe that the promise of consequence in 3 was a draw?

I didn't buy into the ME series until I saw reviews of ME2 saying that:
1) it imports ME1 decisions, and
2) it has its own decisions, with consequences, and
3) it has in-game tips promising to import all decisions into ME3

This struck me as very interesting, so I bought ME1+2 together and played them. They're good games, but the whole decision/consequence thing turned out to be a let-down. BW acknowledged this and promised that these decisions would finally pay off in ME3.

Are you following me now, or is this line of thinking still bewilderingly confusing for you?

Well, it ought to be, since I bought ME1 way back after i fell for the cineamtic world, clean design, outstandng realistic conversations and, at the time, rather interiting gameplay of ME1 E3 2006 demo.

So it seems you bought into a (marketing) concept, rather than actual gameplay presentation.(not judgemental)

Honestly i can see,how you set yourself up for it...

Modifié par Jacen987, 13 novembre 2011 - 07:53 .

[1136342t54_]

The problem with discussing these spoilers on these forums is that many people didn't read them and don't want to be spoiled at all. Then there are those who really like the spoilers and then there are those who have read the spoilers but hate them because they don't show every choice have an effect. Most of us can't make sound judgements in the first place due to the spoilers being outdated and multiple different opinions from different sides many contradicting each other.

At this point it almost seems pointless to debate it.

[onelifecrisis]

Jacen987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...
Then why did they even buy and play 1 and 2, for the promise of 3.

I can't speak for others, but is it so hard to believe that the promise of consequence in 3 was a draw?

I didn't buy into the ME series until I saw reviews of ME2 saying that:
1) it imports ME1 decisions, and
2) it has its own decisions, with consequences, and
3) it has in-game tips promising to import all decisions into ME3

This struck me as very interesting, so I bought ME1+2 together and played them. They're good games, but the whole decision/consequence thing turned out to be a let-down. BW acknowledged this and promised that these decisions would finally pay off in ME3.

Are you following me now, or is this line of thinking still bewilderingly confusing for you?

Well, it ought to be, since I bought ME1 way back after i fell for the cineamtic world, clean design, outstandng realistic conversations and, at the time, rather interiting gameplay of ME1 E3 2006 demo.

So you opened this thread in an attempt to understand why people are disappointed, and now you refuse to even try to? Nice one.

[Jacen987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...
Then why did they even buy and play 1 and 2, for the promise of 3.

I can't speak for others, but is it so hard to believe that the promise of consequence in 3 was a draw?

I didn't buy into the ME series until I saw reviews of ME2 saying that:
1) it imports ME1 decisions, and
2) it has its own decisions, with consequences, and
3) it has in-game tips promising to import all decisions into ME3

This struck me as very interesting, so I bought ME1+2 together and played them. They're good games, but the whole decision/consequence thing turned out to be a let-down. BW acknowledged this and promised that these decisions would finally pay off in ME3.

Are you following me now, or is this line of thinking still bewilderingly confusing for you?

Well, it ought to be, since I bought ME1 way back after i fell for the cineamtic world, clean design, outstandng realistic conversations and, at the time, rather interiting gameplay of ME1 E3 2006 demo.

So you opened this thread in an attempt to understand why people are disappointed, and now you refuse to even try to? Nice one.

Sorry was editing the reply. Oh i understand. But you really set yourself up for it, i think. Should have waited to see, if such consequences even exists.

Many games promise features, that never materialize. And as i write it, i see how obvious it is.

Modifié par Jacen987, 13 novembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[onelifecrisis]

Jacen987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...
Then why did they even buy and play 1 and 2, for the promise of 3.

I can't speak for others, but is it so hard to believe that the promise of consequence in 3 was a draw?

I didn't buy into the ME series until I saw reviews of ME2 saying that:
1) it imports ME1 decisions, and
2) it has its own decisions, with consequences, and
3) it has in-game tips promising to import all decisions into ME3

This struck me as very interesting, so I bought ME1+2 together and played them. They're good games, but the whole decision/consequence thing turned out to be a let-down. BW acknowledged this and promised that these decisions would finally pay off in ME3.

Are you following me now, or is this line of thinking still bewilderingly confusing for you?

Well, it ought to be, since I bought ME1 way back after i fell for the cineamtic world, clean design, outstandng realistic conversations and, at the time, rather interiting gameplay of ME1 E3 2006 demo.

So you opened this thread in an attempt to understand why people are disappointed, and now you refuse to even try to? Nice one.

Sorry was editing the reply. Oh i understand. But you really set yourself up for it, i think.Should have waited to see, if such consequence even exists.

I'm not telling you my opinions, I just used my reasons for purchasing as an example to explain a point.

I've not read the leaked script, and the reports I've heard on it are conflicted, so I don't yet know whether I'll be disappointed. However, some people have read it and are saying that the decision consequences are disappointing for them. I'm just trying to explain that POV to you, which is ostensibly what you opened this thread for.

[Jacen987]

1136342t54 wrote...

The problem with discussing these spoilers on these forums is that many people didn't read them and don't want to be spoiled at all. Then there are those who really like the spoilers and then there are those who have read the spoilers but hate them because they don't show every choice have an effect. Most of us can't make sound judgements in the first place due to the spoilers being outdated and multiple different opinions from different sides many contradicting each other.

At this point it almost seems pointless to debate it.

Yet somehow it doesnt seem pointless for haters to bring their bitterness to every releated/ unrelated thread.

BTW its hardly a debate, just an inquiry. As you are correct, that a debate would never resolve in a consensus. Not, before solid proff anyway.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...
Then why did they even buy and play 1 and 2, for the promise of 3.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

I can't speak for others, but is it so hard to believe that the promise of consequence in 3 was a draw?

I didn't buy into the ME series until I saw reviews of ME2 saying that:
1) it imports ME1 decisions, and
2) it has its own decisions, with consequences, and
3) it has in-game tips promising to import all decisions into ME3

This
struck me as very interesting, so I bought ME1+2 together and played
them. They're good games, but the whole decision/consequence thing
turned out to be a let-down. BW acknowledged this and promised that
these decisions would finally pay off in ME3.

Are you following me now, or is this line of thinking still bewilderingly confusing for you?

Well,
it ought to be, since I bought ME1 way back after i fell for the
cineamtic world, clean design, outstandng realistic conversations and,
at the time, rather interiting gameplay of ME1 E3 2006 demo.

So you opened this thread in an attempt to understand why people are disappointed, and now you refuse to even try to? Nice one.

Sorry
was editing the reply. Oh i understand. But you really set yourself up
for it, i think.Should have waited to see, if such consequence even
exists.

I'm not telling you my opinions, I just used my reasons for purchasing as an example to explain a point.

I've
not read the leaked script, and the reports I've heard on it are
conflicted, so I don't yet know whether I'll be disappointed. However,
some people have read it and are saying that the decision consequences
are disappointing for them. I'm just trying to explain that POV to you,
which is ostensibly what you opened this thread for.

Than obviously i missunderstood. So thank you.

Modifié par Jacen987, 13 novembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[mango smoothie]

After reading the Leaks I have to say it's way too much in a rough draft state for anybody to say that it will be great or bad. The rough draft has a lot of potential to be great, but can also be really bad. It all depends on how the finer points are written out. I have a lot faith in Bioware that they will make this a great game though.

[IanPolaris]

Phaedon wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...
And you know this based on extracted plot triggers and jouranl entries from an internal beta. Really come now.

Oh, I was just being sarcastic to another member who posts here. I am not really Polaris. And I haven't read the leaks, and therefore am not disappointed at all.

No, you were pretending to me me so you could besmirch my character.  That's not sarcastic.  That's criminal.

-Polaris

[Phaedon]

IanPolaris wrote...
No, you were pretending to me me so you could besmirch my character.  That's not sarcastic.  That's criminal.

-Polaris

If I were to do so, I'd be sure that you'd discover that I would rather capitalize on your utter lack of sense of humour, good sir. After all, near baseless negativity and threats of not buying a product while continuing to complain in forums is not a unique feature at all. 

And that's all the derailment you'll be getting from me, OP.

Modifié par Phaedon, 13 novembre 2011 - 08:33 .

[ChurchOfZod]

The disappointment for me comes from every decision basically being reduced to a Wrex/Wreav copout, and the wholesale discarding of the ME2 team. I'm still buying the game because the ME series is my favorite of all time and even if it's not up to standard, skipping the end of a trilogy is just dumb, but to act like everything is kittens and rainbows when some serious missteps have been made is just as dumb.

[Jacen987]

ChurchOfZod wrote...

The disappointment for me comes from every decision basically being reduced to a Wrex/Wreav copout, and the wholesale discarding of the ME2 team. I'm still buying the game because the ME series is my favorite of all time and even if it's not up to standard, skipping the end of a trilogy is just dumb, but to act like everything is kittens and rainbows when some serious missteps have been made is just as dumb.

It really doesnt sound like Bioware, to kill of your favorire squadies without giving you someway to save them. Not the "Everyone can survive the Suicide mission"- Bioware.

As for Wrex/Wreev, you seriously mean to tell me that was a cheap copout, espetailly for those that played ME1. That was virtaully the most epic differentiation of ME2, espetailly when you consider they could have wrote Wrex off, before ME2. "Yeah, uhm he died trying to usurp the throne from Wreav/ Ateempting to fulfill a merc contract, yada- yada- yada..."

Modifié par Jacen987, 13 novembre 2011 - 08:32 .

[AdmiralCheez]

I agree that the Wrex/Wreav thing was a pretty big deal.

[CrazyRah]

Yeah i agree, The Wrex/Wreav thing was a pretty big deal

[Jacen987]

CrazyRah wrote...

Yeah i agree, The Wrex/Wreav thing was a pretty big deal

OMG, thats adorable. "Remember to stay hydrated" Ahh.<3

[IanPolaris]

Phaedon wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
No, you were pretending to me me so you could besmirch my character.  That's not sarcastic.  That's criminal.

-Polaris

If I were to do so, I'd be sure that you'd discover that I would rather capitalize on your utter lack of sense of humour, good sir. After all, near baseless negativity and threats of not buying a product while continuing to complain in forums is not a unique feature at all. 

And that's all the derailment you'll be getting from me, OP.

Bolluxs.  You attempted to pass yourself off as me.  That is unforgivable.  Period.  End. Of. Discussion.

-Polaris

[Bullets McDeath]

I should repeat to myself  "it's just the 'net, I should really just relax".

-Polaris

Modifié par outlaworacle, 13 novembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[ChurchOfZod]

Jacen987 wrote...

ChurchOfZod wrote...

The disappointment for me comes from every decision basically being reduced to a Wrex/Wreav copout, and the wholesale discarding of the ME2 team. I'm still buying the game because the ME series is my favorite of all time and even if it's not up to standard, skipping the end of a trilogy is just dumb, but to act like everything is kittens and rainbows when some serious missteps have been made is just as dumb.

It really doesnt sound like Bioware, to kill of your favorire squadies without giving you someway to save them. Not the "Everyone can survive the Suicide mission"- Bioware.

As for Wrex/Wreev, you seriously mean to tell me that was a cheap copout, espetailly for those that played ME1. That was virtaully the most epic differentiation of ME2, espetailly when you consider they could have wrote Wrex off, before ME2. "Yeah, uhm he died trying to usurp the throne from Wreav/ Ateempting to fulfill a merc contract, yada- yada- yada..."

I think you misunderstood what I meant about the ME2 squad. I mean the way that NONE of them are full time squaddies in ME3 is grating on me. This isn't based on spoilers, just the info that has been given out and confirmed by Bioware. There is a huge bit of favoritism going on towards the original ME characters.
 
Whether the ME2 gang lives or dies isn't my issue as long as it's well written. I just hate that Shep had a rock solid loyal fighting squad that for some reason decided to go get their nails done and water their houseplants instead of sticking around to stop machine devils who want to end all organic life.


Also, please explain the real difference to me between Wrex or Wreav as leader of Urdnot in ME2. You get the same missions, same rewards and only a few small dialogue differences. It's not like you have to flee Tuchanka without getting Maelon if Wreav is there instead of Wrex.

Modifié par ChurchOfZod, 13 novembre 2011 - 09:08 .

[didymos1120]

IanPolaris wrote...

Bolluxs.  You attempted to pass yourself off as me.  That is unforgivable.  Period.  End. Of. Discussion.

-Polaris

Well, seemed rather obvious Phaedon wasn't trying to fool anyone, just make fun of you.  And when someone was confused on that point, he made it quite clear he wasn't really you.  Not exactly the action you'd expect if he were truly trying to pass himself off as you. 

[onelifecrisis]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I agree that the Wrex/Wreav thing was a pretty big deal.

I meant to reply to that in the other thread where you mentioned it recently.
You said that the Krogan uniting under Wrex was a big deal.
My reply is: only if they actually unite. Wrex hasn't united them, he's just trying to. Admittedly this is better than no development at all, but if ME3 follows suit after ME2 then Wreave will not unite the Krogan, whereas Wrex will try to unite them and fail, resulting in the same end result: the Krogan are not united.

[didymos1120]

No, I'm Spartacus Polaris!

[IanPolaris]

didymos1120 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Bolluxs.  You attempted to pass yourself off as me.  That is unforgivable.  Period.  End. Of. Discussion.

-Polaris

Well, seemed rather obvious Phaedon wasn't trying to fool anyone, just make fun of you.  And when someone was confused on that point, he made it quite clear he wasn't really you.  Not exactly the action you'd expect if he were truly trying to pass himself off as you. 

That is so not the point.  On the internet there are things you DON'T DO even in jest and one of them is to steal someone else's identity.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

On most forums and boards I have seen, mimicing someone else (even in jest) is a bannable offense. There is a reason for this.

-Polaris