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[DonutsDealer]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kal'Reegar had recent contact with the geth. Why wasn't he made an admiral? He's a lot smarter than Tali is and a better leader on top of it.

I could easily write something better and send it in but I'm positive Bioware doesn't give a ****.

How did he put it? "I just shoot things"?

Yeah, we already have an admiral like that. Han'Gerrel.

Does Kal'Reegar know how the processes in a geth platform works if you need to extract data from it? I don't think so. Does he know how to hack terminals to access different part of a ship and disable anti-aircraft guns without explosives (and there are such moments in the script, by the way)? I don't think so either.

You understimate the power of his omni-rocket launcher:). But yeah I agree, Kal is not the kind of guy that gives orders. He just follow them. In the other hand Tali fought Saren's geth, knows about the heretics and has pretty nice tech skills. Just the kind of person you want against the geth.

[CptData]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think the suicide mission (everyone can die) was simply a stupid idea for the middle part of the triology.

I think the most stupid idea was to introduce so many new characters. Some of which, we don't really need. Like Thane.

Sure, he's a pretty good character, but he adds absolutely nothing when it comes to the progress of being ready for the Collectors.

Same with Zaeed and Grunt.

The thing is - most of those characters are kinda redundant.
For example Zaeed, Garrus, Thane. They fill pretty much the same role with some minor differences when it comes to power.
All three are snipers, Garrus and Zaeed even come with same weapon loadout (assault + sniper). Thane comes with SMG and sniper. The main differences between them are some powers, but overall, they're filling the same role: damage dealers / fire support.
You can put Legion in here, but he's also a tech - which means he's a bit more useful than Tali if you need firepower.

Same for Jack and Samara / Morinth, they fill the role as full Biotics.

Then we have Mordin, Tali and (sort of) Legion for field techs. Mordin and Tali are pretty much similar except Tali got a shotgun, Legion comes with "extra punch" caused by assault and sniper rifle.

Kasumi is a bit tricky - she's one of the characters that doesn't feel redundant, but she's just a DLC character, not part of the "main cast". Miranda, is the only true "full support" character raising the player's squad hitpoints and firepower. Jacob - dunno - mixed class, useful imo, but not special.

Grunt? Typical pure soldier, close combat and meat shield.

That's how I see it. You could reduce the cast to 5 or 6 without harming game mechanics ... some guys never saw action except in LM in my playthroughs.

I don't say I don't like character ABC or DEF - I just say some of them are pretty much redundant since their role is filled by one or two other guys already.

Modifié par CptData, 22 novembre 2011 - 02:32 .

[Someone With Mass]

DonutsDealer wrote...
But keep in mind that most of the characters of ME2 were just hired guns, mercenaries. And their loyalty indicator only meant that they were focused in the mission. It was pretty damn clear that they were going to leave you after the Suicide Mission. I'm not really shocked about them not being in your team, but yeah it sucks when you can't have your favourite character as squadmember, but you get to see them and what they are doing. Try to think it that way: They will fight in this war too. The galaxy is a big place and they are needed in other locations. The Normandy alone can't win the war.

Every squadmate will get a spot in the game too.

Thane: *spoiler*Can stop the assassination attempt on a Councilor while being very ill due to his sickness.*spoiler*

Grunt: *spoiler*Leads a group of krogan elite commandos to hunt down a rachni nest on Tuchanka.*spoiler*

Mordin: *spoiler*Cures the genophage based on your actions on Sur'Kesh via a machine they used to spread the genophage virus in the first place.*spoiler*

Legion: *spoiler*Is captured by the Reapers and held aboard a geth dreadnought while helping the Reapers broadcast a signal to the rest of the geth that turns them into slaves.*spoiler*

Samara: *spoiler*Tracks down her daughters that are being used by the Reapers to create Banshees.*spoiler*

Just to mention a few. If you're going to quote, erase all the spoilers first, because the color code will disappear.

[Olive Oomph]

Am I happy? No, because it's not march yet!
I am trying to mostly stay away from the spoilers, the little I have learned mostly about new characters and romances, I like.

In regard to what has been said in the most recent posts, I agree it would have been better, if there were fewer squadmates, with more detailed stories. And the introduction of yet another species wasn't that good either, imo. The drell and Thane are interesting, but they should have focused on those that we already knew. They should have made the batarians more complex instead and introduce us to a different side of them through a squadmate.

[CptData]

@Someone

I wonder how things turn out if you, for example, don't free Grunt, sell Legion and get the rest KIA in the SM?

[Someone With Mass]

CptData wrote...

@Someone

I wonder how things turn out if you, for example, don't free Grunt, sell Legion and get the rest KIA in the SM?

Well, I can tell what happens with Legion.

*spoiler*The geth arranges a holographic copy of his AI for you to interact with if he's killed. But he is not the Legion you knew. That part of him was destroyed, so the geth are simply using a copy based on him before he met Shepard.

If you sold Legion, he'll still end up on the dreadnought. It's basically the same situation as when you can choose to not recruit Garrus in ME1 and you get slightly different dialogues in ME2.*spoiler*

Keep in mind that nothing of this is final, so it might change.

[CptData]

So much for "your decisions have impact on the outcome" ... uhhh ... yes. Bad thing. I hoped stuff would backfire more if you do this or don't do that, but in that case, it doesn't really make any difference.

[Dariustwinblade]

Garrus is a Primarch.

Tali is an Admiral.

Wrex is the king of Krogans.

Liara is THE GODDAMED Shadow Broker.


....The VS is a.......lolSpecter. Isn't that a little unfair.

[CptData]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Garrus is a Primarch.

Tali is an Admiral.

Wrex is the king of Krogans.

Liara is THE GODDAMED Shadow Broker.


....The VS is a.......lolSpecter. Isn't that a little unfair.

And got promoted some ranks.
Yeah, it's "unfair" if you have a thing for high officials. In my eyes it makes the VS most authentic since his or her career seems to follow traditional rules. I'm okay with that. And if I can keep Ashley with me on the Normandy I'm happy. No need to make her General, Admiral or whatnot.

[S.A.K]

So besically everyone out ranks Shepard.
About tali being an admiral:
I thought it to be a bad idea at first. But as far as geth-quarian conflict goes, it might be a good idea. Although she is a bad leader, she does have more experiance with the geth. Specially if she worked with Legion in ME2.

[Someone With Mass]

CptData wrote...

So much for "your decisions have impact on the outcome" ... uhhh ... yes. Bad thing. I hoped stuff would backfire more if you do this or don't do that, but in that case, it doesn't really make any difference.

Again, it could change.

As I see it, if Legion or Tali are dead, you can't give the quarians and geth peace, and is forced to choose one of them.

Which is bad, considering that you can get two fleets instead of one if they have peace.

[darthnick427]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CptData wrote...
I hope so - if you kept them alive in ME2. I did.

Garrus becomes a Primarch and Tali becomes an admiral.

  GARRUS F*CKING VAKARIAN!!!!! MY BROS MOVING UP IN THE WORLD!!! HELL YEAH!!! I saw the whole Tali admiral thing coming tho

Modifié par darthnick427, 22 novembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[CptData]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CptData wrote...

So much for "your decisions have impact on the outcome" ... uhhh ... yes. Bad thing. I hoped stuff would backfire more if you do this or don't do that, but in that case, it doesn't really make any difference.

Again, it could change.

As I see it, if Legion or Tali are dead, you can't give the quarians and geth peace, and is forced to choose one of them.

Which is bad, considering that you can get two fleets instead of one if they have peace.

That's why I keep both alive & kicking. You don't know when you need a Quarian cutie tech and a Geth ...

Now lets stop with the spoilers ...

[Someone With Mass]

S.A.K wrote...

So besically everyone out ranks Shepard.
About tali being an admiral:
I thought it to be a bad idea at first. But as far as geth-quarian conflict goes, it might be a good idea. Although she is a bad leader, she does have more experiance with the geth. Specially if she worked with Legion in ME2.

Ashley doesn't outrank Shepard.

Then again, I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to mouth off at him when it comes to ranks, considering that he can just shoot them or leave them to die if he so pleases and not get any personal consequences whatsoever.

Not to mention that it's his ship.

[DonutsDealer]

Someone With Mass wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

So besically everyone out ranks Shepard.
About tali being an admiral:
I thought it to be a bad idea at first. But as far as geth-quarian conflict goes, it might be a good idea. Although she is a bad leader, she does have more experiance with the geth. Specially if she worked with Legion in ME2.

Ashley doesn't outrank Shepard.

Then again, I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to mouth off at him when it comes to ranks, considering that he can just shoot them or leave them to die if he so pleases and not get any personal consequences whatsoever.

Not to mention that it's his ship.

Well, It would be cool to see Shepard screaming:"THIS IS THE NORMANDY" while kicking someone through the airlock. I'd pay to see that:D.

[ODST 3]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think the suicide mission (everyone can die) was simply a stupid idea for the middle part of the triology.

I think the most stupid idea was to introduce so many new characters. Some of which, we don't really need. Like Thane.

Sure, he's a pretty good character, but he adds absolutely nothing when it comes to the progress of being ready for the Collectors.

Same with Zaeed and Grunt.

Sad but true. They should have had a clearer role to play that specifically utilized their skills. I was hoping the Suicide Mission would be a lot deeper to explain why I needed all these specialists. To be fair, some of them were necessary but Thane and Grunt can't do anything. It would be nice for the romanceable squaddies to have the option of being recruited but I can understand why they're restricted to a certain planet or section of the game.

The biggest loss for me is Samara because I have unfinished business with her in "another time, another life." <3

[darthnick427]

Kyrene wrote...

Happy? Overall, not really, although the choice of the R.I.P. candidates given for the Virmire 2.0 scene has me over the moon. I'm not happy that I may still have to Wrex-kill the VS 2.0 at some point too.

Click this SPOILER for a visual synopsis.

This isn't true is it?! WHY ARE 4 OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS BITING THE DUST UNAVOIDABLY?! Someone tell me this info is dated.....

[Barquiel]

darthnick427 wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Happy? Overall, not really, although the choice of the R.I.P. candidates given for the Virmire 2.0 scene has me over the moon. I'm not happy that I may still have to Wrex-kill the VS 2.0 at some point too.

Click this SPOILER for a visual synopsis.

This isn't true is it?! WHY ARE 4 OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS BITING THE DUST UNAVOIDABLY?! Someone tell me this info is dated.....

The Miranda thing is wrong, not sure about the rest.

[darthnick427]

Barquiel wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Happy? Overall, not really, although the choice of the R.I.P. candidates given for the Virmire 2.0 scene has me over the moon. I'm not happy that I may still have to Wrex-kill the VS 2.0 at some point too.

Click this SPOILER for a visual synopsis.

This isn't true is it?! WHY ARE 4 OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS BITING THE DUST UNAVOIDABLY?! Someone tell me this info is dated.....

The Miranda thing is wrong, not sure about the rest.

Thank god for that. I don't even know why the possiblity of her death being unavoidable pissed me off so much. I don't romance her. but i've come to enjoy her character  .For some reason the others make sense but is still annoying where as hers is just a WTF?! moment.

[CptData]

Barquiel wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Happy? Overall, not really, although the choice of the R.I.P. candidates given for the Virmire 2.0 scene has me over the moon. I'm not happy that I may still have to Wrex-kill the VS 2.0 at some point too.

Click this SPOILER for a visual synopsis.

This isn't true is it?! WHY ARE 4 OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS BITING THE DUST UNAVOIDABLY?! Someone tell me this info is dated.....

The Miranda thing is wrong, not sure about the rest.

It's set in stone the VS can get killed in at least 2 events. Besides that, some of the stuff seems to fit, others is plain stupid. I hope Miri will survive. By the way - not playable? Why that? I want her back in my squad, together with Ash!

[darthnick427]

CptData wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Happy? Overall, not really, although the choice of the R.I.P. candidates given for the Virmire 2.0 scene has me over the moon. I'm not happy that I may still have to Wrex-kill the VS 2.0 at some point too.

Click this SPOILER for a visual synopsis.

This isn't true is it?! WHY ARE 4 OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS BITING THE DUST UNAVOIDABLY?! Someone tell me this info is dated.....

The Miranda thing is wrong, not sure about the rest.

It's set in stone the VS can get killed in at least 2 events. Besides that, some of the stuff seems to fit, others is plain stupid. I hope Miri will survive. By the way - not playable? Why that? I want her back in my squad, together with Ash!

wow VS fans are kinda getting screwed. That sux. You'd think they'd be the most secure in surviving because of Virmire but I guess  Bioware is really making you work to have them survive ME3.

[CptData]

darthnick427 wrote...

wow VS fans are kinda getting screwed. That sux. You'd think they'd be the most secure in surviving because of Virmire but I guess  Bioware is really making you work to have them survive ME3.

I think it's more "fanservice".

Never read the FULL spoilers, just parts of it, and of course the parts regarding the VS. I'm sure if you romanced the VS you have a big chance to get them through both (or three? it's kinda unclear) events. Maybe it's easier to convince them or one event won't even happen so at the end the player with a romanced, non-cheated-on VS will see only one event where the VS can get killed.
Any others will have two or three events to get rid of that VS. So it's kinda fanservice - those who love the VS will be able to keep him or her alive, those who hate the VS have enough oportunities to kill them.

In case that's true I have no problem with that.

[darthnick427]

CptData wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

wow VS fans are kinda getting screwed. That sux. You'd think they'd be the most secure in surviving because of Virmire but I guess  Bioware is really making you work to have them survive ME3.

I think it's more "fanservice".

Never read the FULL spoilers, just parts of it, and of course the parts regarding the VS. I'm sure if you romanced the VS you have a big chance to get them through both (or three? it's kinda unclear) events. Maybe it's easier to convince them or one event won't even happen so at the end the player with a romanced, non-cheated-on VS will see only one event where the VS can get killed.
Any others will have two or three events to get rid of that VS. So it's kinda fanservice - those who love the VS will be able to keep him or her alive, those who hate the VS have enough oportunities to kill them.

In case that's true I have no problem with that.

hmm I suppose when you put it that way....I might just have to kill off ashley once to see what happens. but I'll try to keep her alive most the time.Unless I have to chose between her and one of my favorites in a Virmire 2.0 situation. 

[CptData]

Afaik you can pick at least ONE squadmate "freely" for said Virmire situation. I also heard you can avoid that situation entirely by doing some prerequesites - so that "Virmire 2.0" happens only if you fail at a certain point of the game.

That's what I know.