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[Genshie]

Guys you shouldn't be posting spoilers period at all for ME3 in any threads/forums on here the mods and admins have made this very clear already. You can talk about them but don't mention them directly by "saying such and such person dies" even in hidden highlighted text. If you must please keep to private messages. This thread could be easily locked for the title alone.

Modifié par Genshie, 23 novembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[darthnick427]

CptData wrote...

android654 wrote...

*sigh* Some of us have been fans since ME1, but clung more to the characters in ME2. It feels like a big middle finger to the fans of the entire series to say, "be careful, your squadmates could die during your important mission, so learn about your characters, gain their trust --we even made several trailers around this theme-- and think like an army preparing for galactic war in order for your crew to survive." then ultimately the entire thing was a farce since Jack, Mordin, and Samara were merely there to keep Ashley's and Liara's seat warm while they were away.

You'd think with all of the importance they placed on relationship building in ME2, that your relationships would affect your squad make-up. That would have been the smart thing to do in a game based heavily on "decisions."

I'm just a little disappointed that my team as I've been using them is being reduced back to ME1 numbers, along with temp members.

Can hear you. Main issue most story writers run into is to have plenty of characters developed and no idea how to put them into the story. There are simply too many characters in ME2, all of them want to play an important role - but lets face it: half of them are kinda rendundant. There are two "waves" of recruitment in ME2 - the first one before Horizon, the second one after Horizon but before IFF. Place Tali to first wave, cut the second wave and you still would have plenty of decent characters to choose from.

The entire story revolves around gathering people for a suicide mission. That's not much. And most (read ALL) of them kinda "expendable", they can die in that SM.

I would say, as a writer, the staff of ME2 used far too much time to create new characters but kinda missed to make most of them authentic or more than just one-dimensional. Also there is a decent story missing involving the entire staff. The only point in the story were they're working together is the SM and even there not all of them showed their face. With exception of the final briefing any briefing scenes usually involve Jacob and/or Miranda, but none of the rest of the crew. In ME ALL squadmates where in the briefing, even if they had no lines.

Now since all squadmates in ME2 can die in the SM you simply can't make a story for ME3 that uses ME2 characters as driving force. Lets say if you need Miranda for a certain story element that's needed for defeating the Reapers, you couldn't do that element in case Miranda died in ME2. Same for any other character - and that's the only reason why the cast of ME2 won't have any big influence on the story. They might help to raise the "galactic readiness bar", can be used to forge alliances, but you can finish the story without them.

And yes, that's a sad thing for fans of ME2 cast. I'm a fan of both, a bit more for ME1 cast, but still. But I understand why BW can't take any different path here ...

I agree. I will be honest tho. I have become very attatched to the ME2 crew. They felt like a family by the end of ME2. My dream come true would have been for the crews of both games and the 3 new people to unite on board the Normandy and finish the fight we started. Sadly....that's not the case...but as long as bioware does right by the characters I'll be happy........I still wish Mordin, Legion, and Grunt were squadmates tho.....

[CptData]

jtav wrote...

And yet they do. *coughTaliandGarruscough*

Yep, Team Dextro gets some "extra attention". But as I said, you can do the game without Tali or Garrus. You just won't have an easy time to ally with Turians and Quarians I guess.

Quarians: guess with Tali & Legion you'll have a chance to make peace between Geth and Quarians and combine their fleets. Without her or Legion that route won't be possible I believe.

Turians: dunno if you can ally them at all without Garrus. The entire stuff how Garrus get his new rank is ... odd tbh.

[Genshie]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Guys you shouldn't be posting spoilers period at all for ME3 in any threads/forums on here the mods and admins have made this very clear already. You can talk about them but don't mention them directly by "saying such and such person dies" even in hidden highlighted text. If you must please keep to private messages.

To be fair, the thread title does warn of spoilers.

 
Posting this for emphasis of the point:

Chris Priestly wrote...


It should go without saying however that reading leaked Mass Effect 3 files - however out of date they may be - will likely spoil your experience in the game. We ask that you join with us in keeping the BioWare Social Network spoiler-free, so that as many players as possible can discover the surprises and revelations of Mass Effect 3 in the game itself.

[Someone With Mass]

Tali and Garrus will be replaced with mission specific characters if they're dead.

[Someone With Mass]

Genshie wrote...
*snip*

So the forum should be more like "Wild and/or Baseless Speculations Network" then.

That's a little pointless.

[android654]

Those are all good points expect you're missing a few things.

1. Samara was a perfect fit to recruit the Asari, while Liara is occupied with being the Shadow Broker, no other Asari in contact with Shepard commands the same level of respect that a Justicar does.

2. While you can keep Kirahe alive, you've already worked closely with a genius who's a rocketed of several scientific disciplines who worked with the STG who undoubtedly has friends in the Salarian Government to offer aid in the coming war.

3. Garrus is a horrible choice to recruit the Turians since he's shown he's too disciplined to follow orders from anyone, that and he's from very humble beginnings, so he has no ties to Turian officials.

4. Grunt could easily take the place of Wrex in communicating with clan Urdnot in providing the support needed for the coming war.

5.Jack had nowhere to go, and no one to turn to, intact, she was given a huge change in character in order to have some role in the coming war.

So, as you can see some characters from ME2 could have been massively important to the squad build in ME3, even more so than Garrus and Liara when reaching out to their respective people. Other characters, simply wouldn't have a role in the war aside from working alongside Shepard.

I just hope that the relationship portions are fulfilled properly, since my favorite character is getting sidelined for the majority of the game.

[Genshie]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Genshie wrote...
*snip*

So the forum should be more like "Wild and/or Baseless Speculations Network" then.

That's a little pointless.

Wasn't it like that before the leaked script? It still is to a degree for Mass Effect 3 anyway.

[darthnick427]

android654 wrote...

Those are all good points expect you're missing a few things.

1. Samara was a perfect fit to recruit the Asari, while Liara is occupied with being the Shadow Broker, no other Asari in contact with Shepard commands the same level of respect that a Justicar does.

2. While you can keep Kirahe alive, you've already worked closely with a genius who's a rocketed of several scientific disciplines who worked with the STG who undoubtedly has friends in the Salarian Government to offer aid in the coming war.

3. Garrus is a horrible choice to recruit the Turians since he's shown he's too disciplined to follow orders from anyone, that and he's from very humble beginnings, so he has no ties to Turian officials.

4. Grunt could easily take the place of Wrex in communicating with clan Urdnot in providing the support needed for the coming war.

5.Jack had nowhere to go, and no one to turn to, intact, she was given a huge change in character in order to have some role in the coming war.

So, as you can see some characters from ME2 could have been massively important to the squad build in ME3, even more so than Garrus and Liara when reaching out to their respective people. Other characters, simply wouldn't have a role in the war aside from working alongside Shepard.

I just hope that the relationship portions are fulfilled properly, since my favorite character is getting sidelined for the majority of the game.

Jack I'm guessing? I'm a little disappointed with that too. You'd think her joining up would make the most sense of anyone since she doesn't really have anything else to do in the war.

[frozn89]

Seeing how BioWare is contemplating tweaking their script I'd say yes. I mean I didn't find anything particularly bad, I loved most of it. But the ME2 characters really got sidelined, at least that's how it seemed. Then again, it was a partial script, things were in random order and kinda random, so I take it the ME2 characters will make a bigger impact and be more accessible in the final product.

I'm sorry, but I don't really care much for Vega, and I hardly ever use Garrus, so I'm hoping for an option to include say Miranda on the squad as much as possible, seeing how I actually find her most useful. Also, keep wondering about Samara's part, that seemed rather reduced =P

Anyway, won't judge anything before I actually get to play the game.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
They will? I thought Bioware said "No replacements for dead characters." Well, I hope these replacements are extremely boring and uninteresting then, because you shouldn't get any kind of reward for killing off your team.

Well, admiral Xen takes Tali's place if she's dead, at least. The option for peace goes out the window too.

Don't really know about Garrus, though...

[android654]

@darthnick427

Yeah, so hopefully her content in that area won't get sidelined too. Don't get me wrong, very few times did I go into a mission without Garrus, but there were more options in ME2 to experiment with, and now it's being reduced severly, so I hope they found a way around that.

[Someone With Mass]

I thought Jack winded up in a pretty nice place in the script.

[Gojiroth]

Never saw the actual leak, but I have to say that I am good with the information I've seen here. My favorites have gotten enough attention (though I don't get disappointed easily)/ Mild spoilers make me more excited for the full experience.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, admiral Xen takes Tali's place if she's dead, at least.

I wonder if that means she actually fights as a squadmate for that mission. If so I'm very tempted to kill Tali off in ME2. I just need to justify my Shepard turning over the evidence.

Nope. She'll direct you via radio.  Believe it or not, but some people actually prefer to keep their high ranking officers in a safe place.

By the way, the evidence gets in Xen's hands regardless of what you do. It's right there on the Alarei for anyone to grab. Which she does.

[thatguy212]

Something i'd like to know is does tali always become a admiral? i mean if she was exiled or the evidence was revealed i can't really see them wanting her as an admiral

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
So I get less Space Morrigan in all my games than people who failed at ME2? Well, that's just unfair.

You can still choose between the two, though.

[android654]

@Someone With Mass

Where she ended up was more indicative of Tali's personality than Jack's. If you know anything about the character, it's clear that she couldn't do what she's doing in ME3 without a pretty sizable re-write to her character.

[Someone With Mass]

thatguy212 wrote...

Something i'd like to know is *removed for spoilers*

No, she's an adviser in that case.

[nidni]

all I care about is having Miranda back for my LI