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[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Oh, you can? Well...  I'll always end up choosing Tali over Xen anyway. I guess I really had nothing to complain about after all.

Or at least it looks like you can choose.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:01 .

[RealFolkBlues]

I can't say that I'm happy that nearly every Mass Effect 2 character is shoved to the side. I don't see why they created new squad mates when they had a plethora to pick from the Mass Effect 2 cast. I hate that I'll have to have both Tali and Liara around but some of my favorites like Jack, Thane, Mordin, and Samara are only "temporary" squad mates. Not to mention that Jack was my main love interest. I echo the sentiment that Garrus (even though I'm a fan) and Tali have been shoved in our faces.

I understand that most of the Mass Effect 2 characters couldn't be main squad members but I can't help but be extremely disappointed.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Tali having a large role in ME3 makes sense because of her connections, but Garrus is a nobody. What they should have done is kept Garrus and Tali out of ME2 beyond cameo roles and THEN brought them back for ME3. Garrus could then be a Spectre or high ranking C-Sec agent with connections and Tali would of-course be your link to the quarian leadership. They were both wasted on ME2 in my opinion.

In an incredibly bizarre turn of events, I actually agree with you, especially since they do little in the story beyond their own loyalty missions and seem ill-connected to the Collector story. Now if we can just cut two more squadmates, the roster might have been left at a manageable size for greater character development. If Jack was cut and Samara expanded into a full LI... and then Grunt could be cut, as Mordin's story handles the krogan issues better anyway. That would be a manageable squad size.

[RealFolkBlues]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Tali having a large role in ME3 makes sense because of her connections, but Garrus is a nobody. What they should have done is kept Garrus and Tali out of ME2 beyond cameo roles and THEN brought them back for ME3. Garrus could then be a Spectre or high ranking C-Sec agent with connections and Tali would of-course be your link to the quarian leadership. They were both wasted on ME2 in my opinion.

In an incredibly bizarre turn of events, I actually agree with you, especially since they do little in the story beyond their own loyalty missions and seem ill-connected to the Collector story. Now if we can just cut two more squadmates, the roster might have been left at a manageable size for greater character development. If Jack was cut and Samara expanded into a full LI... and then Grunt could be cut, as Mordin's story handles the krogan issues better anyway. That would be a manageable squad size.

Obviously I wouldn't want Jack to be cut as she's my favorite character.  I agree that Grunt wasn't needed but neither was Samara.  My issue is that the most of the permanant squad members are ME1 characters. That isn't acceptable to me.  I like all of the new ME2 characters so I wouldn't want any to be cut.  I can understand alot of the ME2 characters wouldn't be able to be permanant squad members but I would have liked to see some of them becoming permanant squad members.  

[Xilizhra]

Cut Kasumi and Legion. Combine Thane with Samara, combine Jack with Miranda, and combine Jacob with Zaeed. Replace Grunt with Okeer maybe or flesh him out better as well-rounded krogan who will one day become a battlemaster and leader. I mean, don't just have him be a violent brute. Give us an inkling of the future tactical genius he might be.

I really see no benefit to having a krogan party member as Mordin covers that plot better anyway, Legion opens up plot points that are far too interesting, and that much fusion leaves a romance field that's a bit small, unless... Mordin becomes an LI for some reason. I have thought of combining Jack and Miranda, but if you want to combine Thane and Samara, you may as well just cut Thane.

[S.A.K]

Changed the thread title.

[Xilizhra]

1.) You might have a point about the krogan but I think a krogan who was different from Wrex, who could butt heads with Mordin, would be neat (namely Okeer)

Okeer did strike me as more interesting than Grunt, but given that both he and Mordin are physicians, it seems that they'd have a fair bit of skill overlap.

2.) Legion was a terrible idea from the start the only interesting thing he hadded was the moral dilemma in his LM, but that could be incorporated without needing him to exist at all

Without the character as a hook, it'd be extremely difficult to incorporate the quarian/geth plot into ME2. Why don't you think Legion was a good idea?

3.) Who cares about romance? Write a fan-fic.

Um... many, many people.

[Xilizhra]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Cut Kasumi and Legion. Combine Thane with Samara, combine Jack with Miranda, and combine Jacob with Zaeed. Replace Grunt with Okeer maybe or flesh him out better as well-rounded krogan who will one day become a battlemaster and leader. I mean, don't just have him be a violent brute. Give us an inkling of the future tactical genius he might be.

I really see no benefit to having a krogan party member as Mordin covers that plot better anyway, Legion opens up plot points that are far too interesting, and that much fusion leaves a romance field that's a bit small, unless... Mordin becomes an LI for some reason. I have thought of combining Jack and Miranda, but if you want to combine Thane and Samara, you may as well just cut Thane.

So in your ideal squad, the only aliens are Mordin and Samara? As well, having so few squadmates renders the whole "recruit a team and gain their loyalty" plot rather ridiculous.

Thane as well (that fusion wasn't my idea), and the only humans would be Jacob and Miranda.
Though Tali does give the benefit of the quarian political plotline, which is definitely worth keeping. Garrus, however... I honestly don't feel he adds that much to the game, especially since his loyalty mission seems a bit recycled.

[Xilizhra]

Similar skills but radically different approach. That breeds competition and antagonism. It'd be fun.

Agreed; I suppose that they'd be sort of like Tali and Legion in that way. And if I had the choice, I'd definitely keep Okeer over Grunt, anyway.

Legion was a terrible idea because he made the geth too human, too sympathetic, and he was only put in the game to appease fans. Fans are idiots (I'm an exception, obviously).

Interesting, but given my disagreement with you over the quality of that alteration, I'll disregard it in my own idea.

Those people can take a hike.

It's more profitable if the only hike-taker is you.

[Xilizhra]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The "recruit a team and gain their loyalty" concept was an ambitious one, but I don't think it worked. All that happened was that the plot and characters were spread too thin. Maybe if Bioware had more time and discs to work with... too bad.

What's funny is how people were complaining when the characters were spread more thinly, but now that Bioware has wisely decided to cut down on the number of squadmates in order to go more in-depth for each, people are complaining all over again.

I'm not complaining about the squad size, but... saying that is sort of like if you grafted a third arm onto someone's chest and they complained about it, so you cut it off with a chainsaw and were then surprised when they complained about that too.

[ODST 3]

frozn89 wrote...
I'm sorry, but I don't really care much for Vega,

Me too. He's just dull, but I'm glad he's there because I'm certain they're going to make us sacrifice someone a la Virmire and Vega is the perfect meat shield.