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Daro Xen would indeed be nice to have.

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Daro Xen would indeed be nice to have.


I think she would have been a better fit for ME2 actually. They could just tweak Tali's LM to be Daro's backstory and have her be an exile.

If she stabs you in the back in ME3 it would be all the sweeter.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Daro Xen would indeed be nice to have.


I think she would have been a better fit for ME2 actually. They could just tweak Tali's LM to be Daro's backstory and have her be an exile.

If she stabs you in the back in ME3 it would be all the sweeter.

In this scenario, would she be romancable?

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In this scenario, would she be romancable?


Maybe, maybe not. On one hand I see her as the type to lay ya' and leave ya'. If she got together with Shepard it would just be a fling and she'd probably be manipulating him for her own ends. Icing on the cake when she turns on you in ME3.

On the other hand, I see her as someone probably too into her work and long-term plans to have any interest in love.

She might not even like the idea of being with an alien (that's an unknown).

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

In this scenario, would she be romancable?


Maybe, maybe not. On one hand I see her as the type to lay ya' and leave ya'. If she got together with Shepard it would just be a fling and she'd probably be manipulating him for her own ends. Icing on the cake when she turns on you in ME3.

On the other hand, I see her as someone probably too into her work and long-term plans to have any interest in love.

She might not even like the idea of being with an alien (that's an unknown).

I find it unlikely that she'd be romanceable, personally. If she was, well, it'd be best for it to be serious.

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I find it unlikely that she'd be romanceable, personally. If she was, well, it'd be best for it to be serious.


What do you mean by serious?

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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I find it unlikely that she'd be romanceable, personally. If she was, well, it'd be best for it to be serious.


What do you mean by serious?

I assume she means an actual relationship, with feelings involved and such, Of course, given the trust generally needed for a quarian to be willing to link suits with somebody, I find it difficult to imagine any quarian, even Xen, in a non-serious relationship.

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I assume she means an actual relationship, with feelings involved and such,


Well intimacy like that means vulnerability and I can't see Xen putting herself at risk like that. That's why I see it as either a fling with no real emotional investment or there being no romance at all.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I assume she means an actual relationship, with feelings involved and such,


Well intimacy like that means vulnerability and I can't see Xen putting herself at risk like that. That's why I see it as either a fling with no real emotional investment or there being no romance at all.

I admit, it'd be interesting if she did.

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Seriously if they had replaced Tali or Garrus with any other characters from the same species then people would actually be more annoyed than they already are, most of the dislike generated to those 2 characters has nothing to do with the characters themselves and more to do with what appears to be favorable treatment.

The biggest problem is that because we get both of those again added to Liara, the VS and new squadmates and every single me2 specific squadmate gets their role reduced irrespective of whether or not they may actually make plot sense to have a large role, it makes me2 an even more pointless exercise than it was.

A simple combined squad of me1 and me2 squadmates would have made more sense, it would have added importance to me2 and would eliminate the feeling that certain fanbases are getting better treatment than others.

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alperez wrote...

Seriously if they had replaced Tali or Garrus with any other characters from the same species then people would actually be more annoyed than they already are, most of the dislike generated to those 2 characters has nothing to do with the characters themselves and more to do with what appears to be favorable treatment.

The biggest problem is that because we get both of those again added to Liara, the VS and new squadmates and every single me2 specific squadmate gets their role reduced irrespective of whether or not they may actually make plot sense to have a large role, it makes me2 an even more pointless exercise than it was.

A simple combined squad of me1 and me2 squadmates would have made more sense, it would have added importance to me2 and would eliminate the feeling that certain fanbases are getting better treatment than others.

While I dont diagree with everything you said, I honestly felt this was the case in ME2 as well. To a lesser extent anyway. I still cringe at the fact that Miranda can get shot while unloyal and survive but Garrus cant. I mean really WHAT THE **** IS THAT?

Modifié par Quole, 24 novembre 2011 - 03:12 .


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I admit, it'd be interesting if she did.


If she did what?

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alperez wrote...

A simple combined squad of me1 and me2 squadmates would have made more sense, it would have added importance to me2 and would eliminate the feeling that certain fanbases are getting better treatment than others.

I've said this before and I'll likely say it many more times, but certain fanbases getting better treatment was inevitable. If they had brought back more squadmates than they are, it would result in less content/dialogue/interaction with other squadmates for each, a tradeoff that would not be worth it. Bioware was forced to pick some characters over others; there was no way to treat all characters (or even all LIs) equally.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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I admit, it'd be interesting if she did.


If she did what?

Let herself be vulnerable after a time.

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Let herself be vulnerable after a time.


It would be interesting but how would you write it? Daro'Xen, based my limited interactions with her (That's a disclaimer), strikes as someone who just doesn't let that happen. She strikes as being fiercely independent.

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But no, BioWare had to be spineless and pander to the labile xenophiles...

Owned. :devil:

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Let herself be vulnerable after a time.


It would be interesting but how would you write it? Daro'Xen, based my limited interactions with her (That's a disclaimer), strikes as someone who just doesn't let that happen. She strikes as being fiercely independent.

Independence hardly precludes romantic involvement (assuming that it's well-written, but that's another story). I do think that she'd benefit from finding someone who understands her; I find it rather interesting that when Tali calls her insane, she doesn't react at all, as though she was rather used to this by now. Whether she has this burning need deep down inside for companionship is something I don't know, but I think she could at least appreciate someone who thinks on her own level. It'd have to be a highly intellectual relationship, and I don't really see any Shepard other than an Engineer being able to meet her on a level she'd appreciate. If such a circumstance could be achieved... well, we'd need to know more of her backstory.

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I'm now imagining the Tali romance scene with Tali replaced by Xen, and it is a strange thought indeed.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 24 novembre 2011 - 04:11 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

Independence hardly precludes romantic involvement (assuming that it's well-written, but that's another story). I do think that she'd benefit from finding someone who understands her; I find it rather interesting that when Tali calls her insane, she doesn't react at all, as though she was rather used to this by now.


I understand her. ;_;

Some of her lines in ME3 even echo my own... <3

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Whether she has this burning need deep down inside for companionship is something I don't know, but I think she could at least appreciate someone who thinks on her own level. It'd have to be a highly intellectual relationship, and I don't really see any Shepard other than an Engineer being able to meet her on a level she'd appreciate. If such a circumstance could be achieved... well, we'd need to know more of her backstory.


I can't see any Shepard meeting with her on that level either. Not an engineer either. After all, Shepard is the same regardless of class and it is apparent Shepard isn't an intellectual. Or not much of one, anyway.

As for backstory there is a good piece of fan-fiction out there about that. I don't remember the name though. Well, it is good in that it is well written. However I think it goes a little too far in trying to explain why Daro'Xen is the way she is.

I would say her backstory is probably a simple one. She was smart and capable and went off into the galaxy expecting to be accepted or at least respected. Instead she met a hostile galaxy that either wanted to cast her people out or just used them as disposable workers. She saw first hand how weak her people were and she is determined to change that.

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I can't see any Shepard meeting with her on that level either. Not an engineer either. After all, Shepard is the same regardless of class and it is apparent Shepard isn't an intellectual. Or not much of one, anyway.

Well, adding Xen would be a much larger rewrite than inserting some possible dialogue pieces to that effect, yes?

I would say her backstory is probably a simple one. She was smart and capable and went off into the galaxy expecting to be accepted or at least respected.

Er, if she was expecting that, I'd have to question your first quality.

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I think if your love interest will always be a squad member, that's what i think anyway.

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I think if your love interest will always be a squad member, that's what i think anyway.

I hope somebody understands this, because I certainly don't.

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Well, adding Xen would be a much larger rewrite than inserting some possible dialogue pieces to that effect, yes?


Uh, I guess? Certainly I'm not opposed to Shepard being smarter. He's an officer after all so there is a good chance he had to get a degree at some point. That's not a given though.

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Er, if she was expecting that, I'd have to question your first quality.


You are questiong that I understand her or that she was smart? Keep in mind when she goes off on her pilgrimage she is either in her late teens or early twenties. She might not have had the same advantages Tali had, perhaps having a more humble beginning. Take Lia'Vael for instance, or the slave on Ilium, or even Ken.

What I was trying to convey was that she was confident and thus very sure that her abilities would quickly earn her respect. When they didn't she realized being smart wasn't enough: quarians needed power.

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Quole wrote...

While I dont diagree with everything you said, I honestly felt this was the case in ME2 as well. To a lesser extent anyway. I still cringe at the fact that Miranda can get shot while unloyal and survive but Garrus cant. I mean really WHAT THE **** IS THAT?


Funny you say that because if that's not clear evidence of bad planning then i'm not sure what is, Miranda is practically unkillable in me2, Why?

Well you'd expect that perhaps given the fact cerberus play such a large role in me3 that its because they intended for Miranda to survive in almost all playthroughs allowing her to play a large role in me3 and the cerberus storyline, then off course you'd read the script leak and find that nope that doesn't seem to be the case and she like all the other me2 specific squadmates all play pretty much the same roles.

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I think the case with miranda in the suicide mission isn't about giving her a large role in ME3. You need to have atleast 2 squad mates alive by the final part of the mission so you can proceed.