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[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cute, but it still shows that you were unable to comprehend my post.

I really like how some of you people are reasoning.

The second I don't spew out every single little fact I know about a certain topic, it means that I can't possibly understand the purpose or the true definition of something.

Do I understand that Cerberus was meant to be the not so morally correct faction Shepard is forced to work with to show that everyone must set their differences aside and work together to defeat a greater enemy, while making Shepard look suspicious to several other factions in the process? Yes.

Do I care about their "true" purpose? No, and that's why I won't bother expanding on it.

For that matter, if you want something said clear or established...just ****ing say it.

[spirosz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

For that matter, if you want something said clear or established...just ****ing say it.

But... Kaiser is trying to sound smart...

[android654]

In an attempt to get this back on track, if you preferred ME1's cast and ME2's scale of space travel in the campaign, you'll be pleased in ME3. If you thought ME2 had the better squadmates, your be dissapointed that your favorites get shoved to the back of the bus in favor of ME1 and two new squadmates.

Since I only read Jack and Mordin's portion, does anyone know if our li choices in ME2 affect the length of squadmate inclusion in ME3?

Modifié par android654, 24 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[ODST 3]

S.A.K wrote...

Quole wrote...

CptData wrote...

I don't mind Sanders, but I also refuse to read the books / comics - they have issues with the VS *g*

.. they do? I dont ever recall the novels even mentioning them. They were still terrible though.

I was thinking about reading those novels, but now I'll pass.

My recommendation is don't bother with them. They will pass the time but they're actually inconsistent with the characters of the games and don't tell you anything you really need to know. Kahlee Sanders is horrible.

[CptData]

android654 wrote...

In an attempt to get this back on track, if you preferred ME1's cast and ME2's scale of space travel in the campaign, you'll be pleased in ME3. If you thought ME2 had the better squadmates, your be dissapointed that your favorites get shoved to the back of the bus in Gabor of ME1 and two new squadmates.

Since I only read Jack and Mordin's portion, does anyone know if our li choices in ME2 affect the length of squadmate inclusion in ME3?

Guess I'll be one of the "happy guys". I loved ME, but wished planet exploration would have been more awesome (like in Overlord). Besides that, I like gameplay of ME2 a tad more while characters of ME wins over ME2. With exception of Mordin - he got a lot of attention and is on same level like any of the main characters in ME.

[android654]

CptData wrote...

android654 wrote...

In an attempt to get this back on track, if you preferred ME1's cast and ME2's scale of space travel in the campaign, you'll be pleased in ME3. If you thought ME2 had the better squadmates, your be dissapointed that your favorites get shoved to the back of the bus in Gabor of ME1 and two new squadmates.

Since I only read Jack and Mordin's portion, does anyone know if our li choices in ME2 affect the length of squadmate inclusion in ME3?

Guess I'll be one of the "happy guys". I loved ME, but wished planet exploration would have been more awesome (like in Overlord). Besides that, I like gameplay of ME2 a tad more while characters of ME wins over ME2. With exception of Mordin - he got a lot of attention and is on same level like any of the main characters in ME.

Yeah, I loved Mordin as well, and it would have been interesting to see him in ME1 to merely hear the banter between him and Wrex concerning the Genophage and Saren/Cerberus' Krogan clones. I'm just dispointed that two of my favorites won't be permanent. At least I get Garrus and Ashley.

I'll try to reserve more judgement until March, I just hope We'll get some more options in DLC's ala LOTSB for Jack.

[manonyuf]

CptData wrote...

That's what I hope too ... but for Ashley (or Kaidan) in my case.
And if the stuff from the old script isn't changed till release, the VS will be the punching bag for half of the fandom ...

I actually hope that it can happen either way. Fans of the VS, would -of course- like a happy ending with/for the VS, and I'm one of those, whp would like to use them as a punching bag. I think the best would be if both ways were possible.

[xCirdanx]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ticktank wrote...
Nah superpower transformation only happens to Tali. She managed to convince 14 million Quarians that she's admiral material.

No, she didn't. Her role is a secret among the admirals and it's a simple technicality.

Which also was hinted in ME2. Some allready suggested to take her fathers place. I´m not that happy with it, but after reading the reasons, i can only agree with it. However if that means i can´t have her (being my LI) in my squad for the most part of the game, i will really be pissed. Tali allready got shifted damn hard in ME2. She was supposed to be recruitable from almost the start.

Romance lines were pretty dull too, i hope they will improve this for ME3.

However i never had the impression that all of the ME2 squad mates would be in my ME3 team for the majority of the game. It never made sense for me. There is enough time between ME2 and ME3 for the group to part ways as it seems.

Thane is death-ill.
Zaeed is a damn Merc, he probably doesn´t care much at all.
Kasumi is probably doing what she can best, being a thief.
Grunt makes sense for me, why should he not stay with his battlemaster?
I don´t see a reason for Garrus to leave Shep.
Mordin will go and work on the cure for the Krogans, that was what i was expecting him to do anyways.

Then there is the problem with Shep and the trial AND the Normandy being a System Alliance ship again.

There is no way the Alliance would let Legion, Jack (she is still a criminal), or 1 Cerberus agent (Miri) to hang around on earth and their ship. Judging by some stuff posted here, even EDI had to hide in a body to not get possible destroyed by them. And Jacob, i never liked the guy, i don´t know he always seemed to be a douchebag to me.

As for the rest of the standart crew, i don´t expect something to happen to them, Shep probably takes all the blame on himself or mabye even surrenders himself to the Alliance under the condition that nothing happens to the crew, who knows. It sure helps that Anderson and Hacket are there to back him up and that he was alone during Arrival.

Even with all of this theories, i still made romance playthrus with almost everyone, just to see how that will work out in ME3. There is always the possibility that LI´s will end with a disappointment. The only thing that will definitely make me angry is when they screw it up with the original cast, VS, Tali, Garus, Liara. Not that i don´t want a good ending for the ME2 squadies, but the original cast is much more important for me and after 3 games and several years i expect a well written ending for them.

We will only know when we play the game.

As a sidenote, what is up with Vega? There is almost no info on him and he allready has a fan base without even playing him? What the...

[Quole]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Quole wrote...

CptData wrote...

I don't mind Sanders, but I also refuse to read the books / comics - they have issues with the VS *g*

.. they do? I dont ever recall the novels even mentioning them. They were still terrible though.

I was thinking about reading those novels, but now I'll pass.

That's just Quole being an idiot; the novels are actually quite good, especially Ascension and Retribution. The first one, Revelation, is decent as well, but starts kind of slow due to it also being an alternative entry point into the series.

Sure, it's no high literature, but it's about as good as gaming novels get.

ROFL. Those novels were horrible. You would have to be a moron to like them.... oh wait. You continue to show your brilliance, Kaiser.

For your own sanity, do not read those novels. Or the comics.

Modifié par Quole, 24 novembre 2011 - 09:22 .

[Someone With Mass]

xCirdanx wrote...

*snip (I agree with most of it, by the way)*

As a sidenote, what is up with Vega? There is almost no info on him and he allready has a fan base without even playing him? What the...

It's probably because of a combination of both the leaked script and the video.

Based on the script, I kind of like him too. He's a very enthusiastic guy.

[Zubie]

They could have been more interesting that's for sure. I just didn't like Kahlee Sanders at all.

[Quole]

easygame88 wrote...

They could have been more interesting that's for sure. I just didn't like Kahlee Sanders at all.

She was just yet another flaw in the otherwise horrible excuse we had for novels.

[xCirdanx]

Someone With Mass wrote...

xCirdanx wrote...

*snip (I agree with most of it, by the way)*

As a sidenote, what is up with Vega? There is almost no info on him and he allready has a fan base without even playing him? What the...

It's probably because of a combination of both the leaked script and the video.

Based on the script, I kind of like him too. He's a very enthusiastic guy.

I see, i haven´t read the whole script, just skiped a bit thru it. But reading about it, and then playing together with the NPC with voice acting and all might still lead to some disappointed Vega "fans"

[alperez]

xCirdanx

I don't think anyone expected that all of the me2 squad would play large or full squadmate roles in me3, what people did however expect was that at least some of them would. Instead it seems none do, which really does add just another layer to the argument that me2 is pointless in the grand scheme of things.

While there are genuine reasons why some me2 characters wouldn't play a large role in me3, some you've mentioned above, there are or should be genuine storyline reasons why some should play a role also.

Considering Cerberus play such a large part in the plot, it makes absolutely no sense that MIranda plays a lesser role than Garrus, yet that seems to be the case.

As for not being with Shepard at the trial or beginning of the game well this is also the case with characters like Garrus, Tali and Liara yet later on they can and do play a larger role than any of the me2 specific squadmates.

They could have easily done the same thing with any of the me2 specific squadmates, have them absent in the beginning only for you to meet them at a later point and have some join and others not, instead its temp missions for all of them whether they are or should be relevant to the plot overall and full roles for the me1 crew even if they aren't plot relevant.

Surely a compromise where we got a mix of me1 specific characters and me2 specific characters or a compromise where plot relevant characters would play a large role and non plot relevant characters would play a smaller one would have worked much better and stopped people complaining that certain characters get favorable treatment.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
From what little I've seen, he's a lot better than I thought he was going to be. Still not as cool as any of the aliens on the squad, though.

Sure. 

He's still not as bad as everyone thought he would be.

[xCirdanx]

Quole wrote...

easygame88 wrote...

They could have been more interesting that's for sure. I just didn't like Kahlee Sanders at all.

She was just yet another flaw in the otherwise horrible excuse we had for novels.

I think the novels aren´t bad. I read all of them, they are sure not great fiction books, but i have read worse. I found them enjoyable.

As for Khalee, i´m just glad old Anderson gets a bit of love

[xCirdanx]

alperez wrote...

xCirdanx

Surely a compromise where we got a mix of me1 specific characters and me2 specific characters or a compromise where plot relevant characters would play a large role and non plot relevant characters would play a smaller one would have worked much better and stopped people complaining that certain characters get favorable treatment.

It´s true what you say, and i agree with you that it could have been possible to make more characters important.

The problem i think is, as mentioned before, there were too many characters in ME2. With ME1 and 2 we have so many potential for great characters that you can´t give everyone an important role in ME3. If you do that, the game would become "bloated". With over a dozen potential squad members, that would also lead to a lot of extra work, and money.

I think they didn´t expected the positiv reaction to all of the characters and the forming of strong fan-bases for them. Funny enough this seems to happen often enough to Bioware, they were also surprised by the strong fan reaction to Tali in ME1.

I really like every character in ME1 and 2. Some more, some less and i hope everyone gets a fitting ending. However i expect some disappointment.

ME3 should be around the length of part two (i think thats in the know feature faq), there is no way they can fit a good story arc for every character in that game length. Which was allready a disappointment for me, because i hoped the last part would take longer.

Ah, anyways, i can´t really tell if i will like the treatment of the characters without playing the game. Sure the leak gave away much, but who knows how old that stuff was?

I´m just being naive now and hope for the best

[alperez]

xCirdanx

Nothing wrong with being naive and hoping for the best (i wish i could be both to be honest).

Also agree there were too many characters in me2 and that combined with the me1 crew it would be impossible and impractical that every single character gets a large role, i don't have an issue with some being trimmed.

The problem though is when all the trims are done exclusively to the me2 specific crew it becomes a serious issue and that's where i have a problem.

Hell even if it had been just one me2 character on the squad it'd be something, but to have none is just a slap in the face of fans of me2 imo.

SInce they are bringing Tali and Garrus back it makes the whole too hard to implement excuse a ridicolous one since those 2 characters have as much if not more of a chance of dying in me2 as any of the others, when you then add in that Garrus really has no plot specific role that he alone could play it makes it even worse.

An easy way to do it would have been, we have x number or slots, we'll fill them equally with me1 and me2 squadmates therby treating both games and fans equally, instead we get overloaded with me1 squadmates and this leaves no room for me2 ones.

It's because of this that whether or not each character gets a fitting ending the game itself will be unbalanced because the me1 crew is treated more favourably.

As for how old the leak was, its true time will tell and they may change things a bit, but with the story structure set up how it seems to be, i doubt there will be massive changes so what we'll get is probably close to what we've seen in terms of who plays a large or small role.

One other point, originally when the squadmate issue first came up, they announced Liara,tali,garrus, vega and the Vs as permanent and others as temp, then they tried to backtrack with the whole squadmates work differently this time round, the one thing the leak does show is that what they originally said seems to be true, which in some ways proves this was always their intent.

[Skullheart]

And there still the issue that 2 squad slots will be wasted if Garrus and Tali died during the SM...
We can't have a full squad because they have to be ME1 character or new? that is an outrage.

[CptData]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

And there still the issue that 2 squad slots will be wasted if Garrus and Tali died during the SM...

Simple; don't kill them. It's not like it's hard to accomplish.

I heard some people dislike Team Dextro.

Just a rumor. I usually save all of them in ME2 - even the characters I don't really care for.

[android654]

This does raise an interesting question. Who fills in the slots of Garrus and Tali if they die in ME2?