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[MICHELLE7]

alperez wrote...


Characters are plot points, but rather than explain the characters motivations or justifications for what they're doing, we get either characters being ooc to suit plot points or the simplest of explanations, all in all considering this is the end game if the script is accurate its a big letdown imo.

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one...but then really wasn't that the real plotline of ME2...the characters...more time was spent on the recruiting and loyalty missions than on a main plot. And I have to agree with what I've read thus far about ME3...some of it is ooc...I can hear the excuse now..." people change"...didn't they get the memo about Anders...better to introduce a new character to fill the role than to completely alter one that fans have come to love. That was the major problem with DA2...inconsistency...change a little...I can see that...change too much and it's no longer the person you started out with at all.

[jeweledleah]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

alperez wrote...


Characters are plot points, but rather than explain the characters motivations or justifications for what they're doing, we get either characters being ooc to suit plot points or the simplest of explanations, all in all considering this is the end game if the script is accurate its a big letdown imo.

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one...but then really wasn't that the real plotline of ME2...the characters...more time was spent on the recruiting and loyalty missions than on a main plot. And I have to agree with what I've read thus far about ME3...some of it is ooc...I can hear the excuse now..." people change"...didn't they get the memo about Anders...better to introduce a new character to fill the role than to completely alter one that fans have come to love. That was the major problem with DA2...inconsistency...change a little...I can see that...change too much and it's no longer the person you started out with at all.

oh believe me, there will be plenty of people explaining, in detail how the change in characters actualy makes perfect sence, creating elaborate reasons and plugging too many holes to count to explain it.  there already are more then enough of those (if defence of Ashley's new outfit is anything to go by).

sigh.  I'm just hoping that there's enough of the characters we've learned to love, left in there. I guess at this point I'll deal with occasional OOC actions/words.  I managed to deal with cougarshep aproach to Jacob after all

[FoxShadowblade]

No, the VS wasn't completely killed off, I will never be happy.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

No, the VS wasn't completely killed off, I will never be happy.

You get the chance in ME3, so you should be.

Plenty of chances, at that.

[jeweledleah]

we don't know which scenes stay in game, and which chaces are removed. whether something is "outdated" is pure speculation and wistful thinking. it might be all of the scenes. it maybe non of them. it maybe something completely different.
we.
don't.
know.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Really? I though that other part where you could let them die seemed to have been cut from the script. When do you get your second chance to off them?

Well, EDI can kill them and you can kill them yourself when they're pointing guns at you at one point, if I'm not mistaken.

[ADLegend21]

I honestly hope all the retardation involved in the VS is gone. I'd hate to think they got temporary plot armor jsut so they could die in any manner of way in ME3 so their haters could have their way while their fans get shafted for loving them.

[Drone223]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I honestly hope all the retardation involved in the VS is gone. I'd hate to think they got temporary plot armor jsut so they could die in any manner of way in ME3 so their haters could have their way while their fans get shafted for loving them.

I agree the treatment of the VS its very underserving, its very sad to see Bioware has turned them into a hate magnet which from the leaks is now their purpose, I hope in the final script they get a much better treatment 

Modifié par Drone223, 03 décembre 2011 - 03:13 .

[Slayer299]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Really? I though that other part where you could let them die seemed to have been cut from the script. When do you get your second chance to off them?

Well, EDI can kill them and you can kill them yourself when they're pointing guns at you at one point, if I'm not mistaken.

I thought it was 4 times in total for the VS to die.

[Someone With Mass]

Slayer299 wrote...

I thought it was 4 times in total for the VS to die.

Probably. Didn't really pay attention to those parts.

[Fiannawolf]

Based on what ive read so far, my 2 liara sheps will be fine, but massive grey area for my Kaibear Sheps At least if we arent given more choices.

Will throw tali and garrus to the reapers if that prevents anything nasty from happing to Kai or Ash.

In fact Ill purposely import a shep that has both of them dead.

Modifié par Fiannawolf, 03 décembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[ADLegend21]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

Will throw tali and garrus to the reapers if that prevents anything nasty from happing to Kai or Ash.

In fact Ill purposely import a shep that has both of them dead.

I have absolutely no idea why you would think that killing Tali or Garrus would somehow improve the VS's chance of survival, but if you want to rob yourself of a significant amount of ME3 content, I suppose that that's up to you.

If that's what it takes so be it. I don't know who shoved the "holier than thou" stick of team dextro's asses but I'm more than willing to sacrafice them if I get spared of them talking crap about, and even killing the VS who as a LT. Comamdner/ Major and a Spectre are much more valuable.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

Based on what ive read so far, my 2 liara sheps will be fine, but massive grey area for my Kaibear Sheps At least if we arent given more choices.

Will throw tali and garrus to the reapers if that prevents anything nasty from happing to Kai or Ash.

In fact Ill purposely import a shep that has both of them dead.

I have absolutely no idea why you would think that killing Tali or Garrus would somehow improve the VS's chance of survival, but if you want to rob yourself of a significant amount of ME3 content, I suppose that that's up to you.

Not to mention that those characters have extremely little in common with each other when it comes to the missions.

Killing them does nothing but making it worse, since you'll just make it a lot harder for yourself to get anything useful out of their conflicts, which could help with the overall goal.

Not to mention that you'll lose about 40% of your squadmates that way.

By the way, Spectre title doesn't mean s**t. It doesn't automatically make them better characters, if that's what you think. In fact, it's what's causing one of their potential deaths.

Maybe some self-improvement is in order instead of sporadically throw the blame on other characters that had nothing to do with it. If someone dies, it's nobody's fault but your own.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:01 .

[Someone With Mass]

liesandpropaganda wrote...
It's so endearing that Tali's fans are concerned about people missing portions of the game due to killing off their favorites

No, I'm just annoyed by people planning to do nonsensical things just because they suck too much to keep the characters they like alive for more than five seconds.

Because, what will killing Garrus just because Ashley was such a team player and played a card that ultimately lead to her death because Shepard did something that they as the player decided (which again, is only their own fault), possibly achieve beyond satisfying the most pointless courses of actions that are just filled with childish jealousy?

You know what, do whatever. Just don't whine on this forum when things go south because you did something that could've easily been avoided.

[Ticktank]

LMAO people actually expect an objective opinion from juvenile filth like Cthulu or Someone with Mass? These guys circle jerk each other while fawning over Tali. If it eventually turns out that Tali will have a squadmate replacement in ME3 (if she keelah'ed during the suicide mission), expect neverending QQ from these 2.

You should have seen the jealous posts Cthulu made when there were rumours about Tali and Garrus hooking up in ME3. Yep thats right, jealousy over virtual characters.

Pity their parents. Assuming they're not from broken families.

(Watch guys. They're gonna respond to this)

[ADLegend21]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

If that's what it takes so be it. I don't know who shoved the "holier than thou" stick of team dextro's asses but I'm more than willing to sacrafice them if I get spared of them talking crap about, and even killing the VS who as a LT. Comamdner/ Major and a Spectre are much more valuable.

Ignoring the obviously false "much more valuable" comment, I would inquire where you think this "holier than thou" attitude of Team Dextro comes from, as I have seen nothing of the sort myself. And as to them killing the VS; if it was to come to that, it would be no different than Ashley killing Wrex on Virmire.

when Ashley/Kaidan and TD are on the ship for the first time, they OPENLY chastise the VS for Horizon claiming they were loyal when the VS was not. I saw no option to remind them that I had to do a full mission to secure said "loyalty" and that Tali's involved hiding a war crime. That's the holier than though I'm talking about.