I've read alot of the spoilers. And I am still looking forward to the game just the same if not more.
There is only one thing that irks me, but I'll wait to see how it is played out before I start criticizing.
Are you happy? *Contains spoilers*
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:34
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Given his unfortunate lack of popularity, I'd say we got about what was expected. The role, although brief, is decent. Not great, but decent.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
What about Jacob?
Poor fella keeps drawing the short straw.
#53
Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:36
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I believe your feelings are similar to those I felt when I heard Ahnold was made a governor.Dean_the_Young wrote...
(Besides Tali. Words can not describe my reaction to 'Admiral Tali vas Normandy.')
Oh, politics.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:36
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I'm happy with the story. I already guessed before the script came out that most of the 'squad' mates werent going to be as permenant as previous games so i aint too bothered.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:40
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Given his unfortunate lack of popularity, I'd say we got about what was expected. The role, although brief, is decent. Not great, but decent.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
What about Jacob?
Poor fella keeps drawing the short straw.
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Maybe it's just me, but going off and knocking someone up (in 2186, no less) doesn't seem very decent.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:41
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Given his unfortunate lack of popularity, I'd say we got about what was expected. The role, although brief, is decent. Not great, but decent.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
What about Jacob?
Poor fella keeps drawing the short straw.
If the leaked plotline actually effects a Shepard/Jacob romance, it's completely insulting, and infuriating.
I don't even have a Jacob-mancing playthrough, but that is enough to keep me away from this game.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:44
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Hold up. Apparently, there are some Jacobian details I missed.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:44
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The Jacob stuff might actually be worse than the VS stuff, since there is apparently nothing the player can do about it.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:46
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Perhaps Bioware looked at the stats for how many people actually romanced Jacob and just said, "Screw it, there's not enough of them to bother with." Not very nice, but it wouldn't surprise me.ratzerman wrote...
The Jacob stuff might actually be worse than the VS stuff, since there is apparently nothing the player can do about it.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:47
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You haven't heard how Jacob's romance turns out?AdmiralCheez wrote...
Hold up. Apparently, there are some Jacobian details I missed.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:49
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I'll post it here, so everyone can see. WARNING SPOILERS
A friend told me this:
"Jacob gets a girl pregnant and leaves FemShep. Worse, he blames her for it. "Your only love is the Normandy".
Her full name is Brynn Cole. She was a Cerberus scientist who abandoned the organization after The Illusive Man started using torture and murder to control his people. Jacob spent eight months with her after ME2, working on what his ME3 mission seems to focus. and that's when he cheated on FemShep.
It is also implied that he sends FemShep an email then dies offscreen."
A friend told me this:
"Jacob gets a girl pregnant and leaves FemShep. Worse, he blames her for it. "Your only love is the Normandy".
Her full name is Brynn Cole. She was a Cerberus scientist who abandoned the organization after The Illusive Man started using torture and murder to control his people. Jacob spent eight months with her after ME2, working on what his ME3 mission seems to focus. and that's when he cheated on FemShep.
It is also implied that he sends FemShep an email then dies offscreen."
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:54
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For all we know, the plot leak is a false set of files BioWare released just to stir up controversy.
I smell a conspiracy.
I smell a conspiracy.
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#63
Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:57
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The Jacob stuff about him knocking up some girl in an affair really seems to be messy dialogue.
Go to the Jacob thread if you want a different take. You could believe a worse-case out-of-character scenario... or you could take a tasteful, appropriate interpretation of the mess of dialogue that doesn't ruin Jacob.
Go to the Jacob thread if you want a different take. You could believe a worse-case out-of-character scenario... or you could take a tasteful, appropriate interpretation of the mess of dialogue that doesn't ruin Jacob.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 12:59
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The worst part of the Jacob details is that I had planned on my femshep dumping him but the son of a b!tch dumped her first!
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 01:05
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Caston would disagree with you, Seboist.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 01:10
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In regards to Jacob:
Just read the script. The "you love the Normandy" line is in reference to where the two of them belong in the final fight. He feels he can do more good helping the scientists that ran from Cerberus, and declines your offer to join the crew again. There is nothing to indicate that he "blames you" or is spiteful about it. Also, like Dean said, the script is a jumbled mess where it isn't clear who's talking or what the triggers for each conversation are. I doubt there will be teh babbys if you romanced him.
Just read the script. The "you love the Normandy" line is in reference to where the two of them belong in the final fight. He feels he can do more good helping the scientists that ran from Cerberus, and declines your offer to join the crew again. There is nothing to indicate that he "blames you" or is spiteful about it. Also, like Dean said, the script is a jumbled mess where it isn't clear who's talking or what the triggers for each conversation are. I doubt there will be teh babbys if you romanced him.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 02:33
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I can't believe what I am hearing about Jacob. Didn't think the guy had it in him.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 03:22
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Agreed. I can't help but be unhappy that characters I really enjoyed like Mordin, Miranda, and Samara are relegated to small parts (most likely) while Garrus and Tali, who I have never really cared about one way or the other, get larger roles and a significant status in the squad.wright1978 wrote...
No, appalling favouritism given to certain characters and complete sidelining of most others.
Realistically, I know that Bioware could never please everyone with character involvement, but that still doesn't stop me from being disappointed.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 03:35
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Pretty content, actually. I'm looking forward to repeatedly killing one character in particular, provided the leak remains accurate, and to spending lots of time with a couple of others. I haven't read all of the leaks, though, just the two that were of greatest interest to me.
All in all, I'm not as uber thrilled about the information than I thought I would be, though. Could be because a) it's old and I'm not sure any of it is still the case in the game and
I'm too busy chomping at the bit for TOR. Two beta weekends have made time seem to go by much slower than usual.
All in all, I'm not as uber thrilled about the information than I thought I would be, though. Could be because a) it's old and I'm not sure any of it is still the case in the game and
I'm too busy chomping at the bit for TOR. Two beta weekends have made time seem to go by much slower than usual.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 03:43
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S.A.K wrote...
I can't believe what I am hearing about Jacob. Didn't think the guy had it in him.
Me neither. He always struck me as unspectacular, but solid. If he found someone else he wanted to get in bed with, he'd at least (a) dump FemShep first and (
admit what he was doing. Cheating on her AND blaming her is too low to fit in my headcanon.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 03:55
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EternalAmbiguity wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Given his unfortunate lack of popularity, I'd say we got about what was expected. The role, although brief, is decent. Not great, but decent.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
What about Jacob?
Poor fella keeps drawing the short straw.
SPOILERS SPOILERS
Maybe it's just me, but going off and knocking someone up (in 2186, no less) doesn't seem very decent.
I've analyzed the dialogue very carefully, and I don't think that it is as bad as it seems. There is nothing in the dialogue to suggest that that occurs if he was romanced by Shepard, and a lot to prove that it doesn't.
I put my full arguement up here: http://social.biowar...scussion/17950/ (Beware, explicit spoilers abound. Don't read if you don't want direct spoilers)
Edit: ninj'd
Damn, got ninj'd on my own arguement.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 04:58
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I gotta say if the leaks prove out then i'll be majorly dissappointed, maybe not enough not to play and find out for myself but possibly enough to seriously reconsider whether or not Bioware in their present form are a company i can support.
Certain things, character development, plot development, consequences of choices are imo written so badly that if we did it and posted it on fanfiction we'd be absolutely slaughtered, the fact that its coming from proffessional writers really makes me sigh.
But the two things that bother me the most are that its almost evident that there never was any planning given to the direction of characters or the plot itself, in a single game experience i can understand this but in a trilogy its just unbelieveable that they could try and go this route.
Basic writing should allow for a character arc to flow naturally imo, so even when a curveball is thrown into that arc it should come as a surprise yes but not a WTF surprise, imo some of the things they have certain characters doing shows they don't even understand their own creations and worse rather than plot out how the characters would evolve instead they just have them do actions and then later create the reasons why they've done them.
The second thing is that by the looks of things they have taken no notice of what a lot of fans wanted in terms of characterisation and how events would play out, now some may say its their product they can do what they like and this is true, but at times its almost as if they've not just ignored what people have asked for but gone in the completely opposite direction deliberately.
To me they learned very little with Dragon Age 2, the mistakes that game made are not just apparent in the leaks but they're taken into a whole new level of ridicolousness imo, whether or not we'll see changes or improvements before the release we'll find out in march, if there aren't any and this is what we're getting, then dissappointed may not in the end be strong enough to explain how i'd feel.
Certain things, character development, plot development, consequences of choices are imo written so badly that if we did it and posted it on fanfiction we'd be absolutely slaughtered, the fact that its coming from proffessional writers really makes me sigh.
But the two things that bother me the most are that its almost evident that there never was any planning given to the direction of characters or the plot itself, in a single game experience i can understand this but in a trilogy its just unbelieveable that they could try and go this route.
Basic writing should allow for a character arc to flow naturally imo, so even when a curveball is thrown into that arc it should come as a surprise yes but not a WTF surprise, imo some of the things they have certain characters doing shows they don't even understand their own creations and worse rather than plot out how the characters would evolve instead they just have them do actions and then later create the reasons why they've done them.
The second thing is that by the looks of things they have taken no notice of what a lot of fans wanted in terms of characterisation and how events would play out, now some may say its their product they can do what they like and this is true, but at times its almost as if they've not just ignored what people have asked for but gone in the completely opposite direction deliberately.
To me they learned very little with Dragon Age 2, the mistakes that game made are not just apparent in the leaks but they're taken into a whole new level of ridicolousness imo, whether or not we'll see changes or improvements before the release we'll find out in march, if there aren't any and this is what we're getting, then dissappointed may not in the end be strong enough to explain how i'd feel.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 06:52
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About the sidelining of characters mentioned earlier:
It's not just about limited screen time. It's - in one case - the lack of resolution of aspects of a story arc. To avoid being too spoilery here: imagine that you destroy the Collector base in ME2 and the game would go on like this: you'll attack TIM on his base to prevent him from building a human Reaper. And in spite of Miranda being the only one who has knowledge of that base and her relationship with her former boss needs closure, you don't get the option to take Miranda with you, just because the screen time the developers have allotted her is the same they've allotted certain other characters - and it has expired.
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
It's not just about limited screen time. It's - in one case - the lack of resolution of aspects of a story arc. To avoid being too spoilery here: imagine that you destroy the Collector base in ME2 and the game would go on like this: you'll attack TIM on his base to prevent him from building a human Reaper. And in spite of Miranda being the only one who has knowledge of that base and her relationship with her former boss needs closure, you don't get the option to take Miranda with you, just because the screen time the developers have allotted her is the same they've allotted certain other characters - and it has expired.
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
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#74
Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 05:53
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I'm pretty happy with what I'v seen so far 
Just my two cents on what is still incomplete information.
Just my two cents on what is still incomplete information.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 06:01
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Yes.S.A.K wrote...
I am sure most of you have come across the leaked details. So are you happy with the content given to each character?
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