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[Fault Girl]

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

I'll glady have Jack & Miranda over Liara/Tali as well but..what can we do?

[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...
Basic writing should allow for a character arc to flow naturally imo, so even when a curveball is thrown into that arc it should come as a surprise yes but not a WTF surprise, imo some of the things they have certain characters doing shows they don't even understand their own creations and worse rather than plot out how the characters would evolve instead they just have them do actions and then later create the reasons why they've done them.

I can tell you that authors of written stories often work the same way. They start with "I want this to happen. How can I make it happen and not look ridiculous?". It even goes down to "I want this character to say X at some point." In itself, it's not bad. How it comes across depends on the execution. I've literally spent days working things like this out with Elyvern for her fanfic "Degress of Inheritance". With a game like ME3, they also have to take into account that different players want different things.

And remember this is all not meant to be read. It's meant to be heard in the context of a visual presentation. Actually, if you start to imagine scenes around the lines you'll often get a much better impression.

I see quite a bit of good stuff in the files and not really a lot of bad stuff. The bad lies mainly in things that are missing and should be there. Perhaps we'll see them yet. Only some lines of consequences are badly contrived and there are some really cheesy tropes at work in places. But did you expect any different? The previous games were the same way.

The second thing is that by the looks of things they have taken no notice of what a lot of fans wanted in terms of characterisation and how events would play out, now some may say its their product they can do what they like and this is true, but at times its almost as if they've not just ignored what people have asked for but gone in the completely opposite direction deliberately.

It's always going to be a compromise between listening to the old fans, appealing to new players, the writers' vision and efficient resource allocation. I can see a few points where they did listen to the fans - yes, that does apply to Miranda, too. How drastic the points are where they didn't remains to be seen.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 novembre 2011 - 06:46 .

[naledgeborn]

No, not happy. I might not be a full-blown (not even close) Renegade when it comes to Mass Effect, but the treatment the Renegades are getting is damn near unjustifiable. BioWare is alienating (pun intended) 40% of the fan base to appease the other 60. I know there're people out there who exclusively play the Renegade path and to have "their story" treated as a failure is ****ed up. It's like the developers have been leading this group of people on for 2 games only say "gotcha bytch! it was all a trick, if you're a bad guy your game now sucks".

Also I'm very disappointed in how the ME2 squad are "riding the bench" because of so called plot demands. Seriously ****, Ashley, Garrus, Kaidan, Liara, and Tali. I should be able to recruit who I want for the series finale.

Just my 2 Lincolns, take it how you will.

[DCWalkman]

Happy for my paragon Shep, but I’m a little worried about my renegade Shep. Now that it seems like The Illusive Man and Cerberus are full blown antagonist in ME3 instead of allies, can a pure renegade be a hero?

[Ryzaki]

Uh...i don't know where people got Renegade = Cerberus supporting. My ME1 and ME2 renedouche sure in hell didn't support Cerberus. Didn't support the alliance or the council either. Incompetent idiots everywhere.

[DCWalkman]

Ryzaki wrote...

Uh...i don't know where people got Renegade = Cerberus supporting. My ME1 and ME2 renedouche sure in hell didn't support Cerberus. Didn't support the alliance or the council either. Incompetent idiots everywhere.

Very True

[sesheta255]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

I'll glady have Jack & Miranda over Liara/Tali as well but..what can we do?

^this

I haven't decided yet whether to even bother getting ME3 and so far the spoilers are not convincing me that it is a must have.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:35 .

[CptData]

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

I think the second part is more ... frightening.

[BatmanPWNS]

As Mcdonalds would say, I'm loving it.

[Fault Girl]

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

[Fault Girl]

DP

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ZombieGeisha wrote...
Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

Oh boy. I wonder what that could be.

And putting them in the negative spotlight for another time just seems unessecary.

[Ryzaki]

DCWalkman wrote...

Very True

Plus it looks like the more pragmatic and less douchenozzle renegade Sheps will be pleased. There's plenty of ruthless but perfectly justifible decisions to make. 
*Slight Spoilers Warning* 

Only thing I'm irked about is not being able to ditch both parties during virmire 2.0. You'd think Shep knowing he's weak and so is the...virmire 2.0 person would try to use the last of his strength to save himself but nooooo. And VS 2.0 can somehow haul Shep's dead weight while being severely injured (enough so that they couldn't save themselves despite having space magic)  (because he/she loses all his/her strength somehow...) it's just bleh. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:51 .

[CptData]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

I think I can take another "Horizon", but I definitely can't take another Virmire. I hope I can avoid it this time somehow. We'll see.

[John Renegade]

CptData wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

I think I can take another "Horizon", but I definitely can't take another Virmire. I hope I can avoid it this time somehow. We'll see.

For me it's the exact opposite, but apparently the resulting displesure of mine is going to be the same as yours.

[CptData]

John Renegade wrote...

CptData wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

I think I can take another "Horizon", but I definitely can't take another Virmire. I hope I can avoid it this time somehow. We'll see.

For me it's the exact opposite, but apparently the resulting displesure of mine is going to be the same as yours.

Somehow I don't get this statement but won't ask further as well. Better it is. 

Modifié par CptData, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:50 .

[Drone223]

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...
Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

Oh boy. I wonder what that could be.

And putting them in the negative spotlight for another time just seems unessecary.

I'm pretty sure that point in the plot will be change, but yeah the VS has had enough being in the frying pan and they deserve some justice

[John Renegade]

CptData wrote...

John Renegade wrote...

CptData wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

I think I can take another "Horizon", but I definitely can't take another Virmire. I hope I can avoid it this time somehow. We'll see.

For me it's the exact opposite, but apparently the resulting displesure of mine is going to be the same as yours.

Somehow I don't get this statement but won't ask further as well. Better it is. 

I meant that I dislike the Horizon part and don't mind the Virmire part. The exact opposite of you. But in the end both of us might be equally pissed.

[CptData]

Drone223 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...
Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

Oh boy. I wonder what that could be.

And putting them in the negative spotlight for another time just seems unessecary.

I'm pretty sure that point in the plot will be change, but yeah the VS has had enough being in the frying pan and they deserve some justice

Could be seen as double statement but I concur. I want some justice for the VS as well. I hope I can get the "right" justice for Ashley (or Kaidan, if I make a playthrough with him). What ppl consider as "right" is up to them. For me it's "VS is with Shepard till the end of ME3"

[CptData]

John Renegade wrote...

CptData wrote...

John Renegade wrote...

CptData wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Not keen with what has been said for the VS. Horizon was a big negative issue with them and now sounds like there's a Horizon and Virmire part 2.

Wait...

Another Horizon?

Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

I think I can take another "Horizon", but I definitely can't take another Virmire. I hope I can avoid it this time somehow. We'll see.

For me it's the exact opposite, but apparently the resulting displesure of mine is going to be the same as yours.

Somehow I don't get this statement but won't ask further as well. Better it is. 

I meant that I dislike the Horizon part and don't mind the Virmire part. The exact opposite of you. But in the end both of us might be equally pissed.

Now that makes sense.

Na, dunno if we get pissed. Depends on who you like more (and keep) or what character you're more willing to sacrifice. It'll become horrible if you like both. Like in Virmire. I liked Ash -and- Kaidan.

[John Renegade]

CptData wrote...

I liked Ash -and- Kaidan.

Yeah, me too. But (no spoilers) from what I've red in the script they've considered a TON of alternatives of how could "Virmire 2.0" happen, so maybe it won't be that bad in the end.

EDIT: Removed quote pyramide.

Modifié par John Renegade, 15 novembre 2011 - 09:00 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Drone223 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...
Just a situation that would probably make people hate them even more.

@CptData, I'm fearing for both.

I just feel that the VS has had it's share of hostility, why can't other characters have faults or misjudgement?

Oh boy. I wonder what that could be.

And putting them in the negative spotlight for another time just seems unessecary.

I'm pretty sure that point in the plot will be change, but yeah the VS has had enough being in the frying pan and they deserve some justice

But justice stands for 'just us'

[Iakus]

CptData wrote...

Could be seen as double statement but I concur. I want some justice for the VS as well. I hope I can get the "right" justice for Ashley (or Kaidan, if I make a playthrough with him). What ppl consider as "right" is up to them. For me it's "VS is with Shepard till the end of ME3"

That would certainly be ideal for me.

But at the moment, I figure, the VS has already had a Horizon, and a Virmire.  There's no reason to give them another one of each in a single game!

[CptData]

iakus wrote...

CptData wrote...

Could be seen as double statement but I concur. I want some justice for the VS as well. I hope I can get the "right" justice for Ashley (or Kaidan, if I make a playthrough with him). What ppl consider as "right" is up to them. For me it's "VS is with Shepard till the end of ME3"

That would certainly be ideal for me.

But at the moment, I figure, the VS has already had a Horizon, and a Virmire.  There's no reason to give them another one of each in a single game!

Dunno, wouldn't bet my money on that.
And no, dear Sir or Madam, this is no spoiler.