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[xelander]

S.A.K wrote...

^How does killing anyone help? You'll just miss a big part of the game.

Exactly. I started out liking all three in the first part and now I'm feeling like they have been pushed in my face. I'm fine with small number of squadmates with big screen time (not the same as pivotal roles, mind you). I'm not fine with being unable to choose which ones they are. I find it personally a bad design for an RPG.

So there you go - Tali, Garrus and Liara will bite the dust amidst some serious schadenfreude.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Drone223 wrote...

The point of losing a squad member is to show that Shepard cannot deafeat the Reaper's with out sacrfice, but with all the character hate its starting to lose its purpose

This is true.

But giving certain characters at least three opportunities to be killed off, and most of the others only one, seems excessive...

This. 

I understand the VS having two chances (just in case the player disliked both of them) but more than that is excessive. Everyone should have at least *one* chance to die. (maybe two chances if you have to make the choice between them and someone else just in case you don't want either character to survive). 

[Dean_the_Young]

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

[K_Tabris]

I accidentally came a cross one minor spoiler, and that was enough for me. Why people want to go ahead and ruin the plot before they get a chance to play the game is beyond me.

We learned our lesson with DA2, and I hope Bioware never releases another demo again just so this will not happen in the future.

[AdmiralCheez]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

Most indeed.

Fellas, seriously, the same character won't be on the chopping block three times.

[DoNotIngest]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

Most indeed.

Fellas, seriously, the same character won't be on the chopping block three times.

Though, it may happen optionally.
 
<--- is expecting an endgame scene where one of the squad dies so the others can flee.




Oh, and *glances at Cheez's sig* f*cking camper.

[Iakus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

Most indeed.

Fellas, seriously, the same character won't be on the chopping block three times.

I hope you're right, but the scenerios were pretty detailed and were completely separate occassions...

[TomY90]

to be honest i am not impressed with the characters that will be (full squad members). All my favourites and my favourite LI is sidelined.

I understand why they made it so just wish it did not happen.

reasons below (spoilers warning from ME1/ME2 if you are weird enough not to have played either)

****ME1/ME2 SPOILERS*****
1 - at best only 2 main characters died in Mass Effect 1
2 - worse situation possible all except 1 squad member died in Mass Effect 2
3 - having every single character fully dialogued throughout would raise development time and costs of the game.
4 - the normandy would not be big enough to fit everyone into it unless it becomes the tardis.

I do hope though for the sake of everyone who have mass effect 2 romances that are not full squad members (including myself) the LI's have larger roles in the game than the non-LI characters, which i know its harsh on those who are fans of such characters but they do have less of a role in the series.

[spirosz]

I don't know to be honest, I haven't read the leaks, but I've seen a lot of concern over the ME2 cast, which is what worries me. I'm more upset about having certain characters be the "core" instead of the ones I personally would of chosen for my Shepard's story. I believe that's the main concern for me, the fact that certain things are happening that I wouldn't of wanted for my Shepard, but again, it's Bioware's vision and I understand that.

Just gonna post a quote that I also agree with:

alperez wrote...

The problem i see in the leaks is that in a lot of cases this doesn't seem to be the case, instead we get character arcs imo to fit the storyline rather than fitting the character arcs themselves in a lot of places, there are points in the storyine that are imo thrown together to fit the story they now want to tell rather than the story they began telling.

Basically its a lack of on overall narrative that seems to be missing, its pretty evident with certain characters that they didn't plan them out and now they're trying to fit those characters into specific roles that in reality they should, if they had an overall idea for the story, had set the groundwork with them a long time ago.

So in some characters we have them almost acting ooc in order to fit the storyline without giving them a reason to act ooc that actually makes sense, so we get the usual fallback position of indoctrination as an explanation in some cases or no proper explanation in others.

[Homebound]

bioware listened too much to the fans, and in the end the fans didnt like it. from what ive seen anyways.

if theres anything to be learned from the leak its
A: dont put stuff like this in demos. shoulda been hammered in from da2's demoleak of the entire game but oh well.
B: Know when and when not to listen to fan suggestions. fans dont know what they want as much as they say they do.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 17 novembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Someone With Mass]

I am happy with most characters. Both old and new ones.

[KyreneZA]

xelander wrote...

If things turn out the way it looks like...ugh... I'm saying this: IF(!!!) I buy the game, I'm erasing my previous saves and I'm killing team dextro on every single playthrough (doesn't matter that I play mostly Paragon). And if I get the chance in ME3, I'm doing Liara in, too. Might be childish, but it is what it is. I wonder if that would make the game unbeatable. Oh, the irony...

lurk_mode on; //must not read spoilers, must not read spoilers

SPOILER (highlight to read):You will get the chance. Unless you like the VS less than Liara.

xelander wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

^How does killing anyone help? You'll just miss a big part of the game.

Exactly. I started out liking all three in the first part and now I'm feeling like they have been pushed in my face. I'm fine with small number of squadmates with big screen time (not the same as pivotal roles, mind you). I'm not fine with being unable to choose which ones they are. I find it personally a bad design for an RPG.

So there you go - Tali, Garrus and Liara will bite the dust amidst some serious schadenfreude.

This exactly. I could have a squad of only two permanent members and that would suit me fine. But, I should be able to choose who.

I'm personally ambivalent towards Admiral Tali vas Fanbois and Garrus Vakanthead, and thoroughly despise SB T'Soni (due to BioWare, not her fault mostly), but my Shepards are not. Well, not regarding the Dextro Duo, they all dislike Big Blue. It's going to be tough to let me as player win, or me as RPG curmudgeon win.

I wonder how important the Thanix upgrade is for ME3?

[KyreneZA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

Most indeed.

Fellas, seriously, the same character won't be on the chopping block three times.

From what I've read through the NonShip and Test files, the poor VS will have a possible Wrex-kill 2.0 moment, followed later by a definite Virmire 2.0 scene, followed again later by a possible Wrex-kill 2.1 moment. But can survive all three. Still that is three times on the chopping block as you stated.

Hopefully, as others have wished, it's a very early draft, or else I get the feeling we're all gonna be trolled pretty hard in ME3.

[Asari_Party]

I'm happy Liara is back on the squad (my second favorite character), but the sidelining of the ME2 squad is a huge disappointment.

[CptData]

Kyrene wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

Most indeed.

Fellas, seriously, the same character won't be on the chopping block three times.

From what I've read through the NonShip and Test files, the poor VS will have a possible Wrex-kill 2.0 moment, followed later by a definite Virmire 2.0 scene, followed again later by a possible Wrex-kill 2.1 moment. But can survive all three. Still that is three times on the chopping block as you stated.

Hopefully, as others have wished, it's a very early draft, or else I get the feeling we're all gonna be trolled pretty hard in ME3.

Dunno - it was difficult to say tbh.

The Virmire 2.0 scene seemed to be avoidable of some sort - at least if you did the prereqs.
Also possible you can avoid Wrex 2.0 by same prereqs.

Lets say it IS possible to kill the VS in three different events, then they only will apply to those people not having all prereqs to avoid those scenes. One prereq could be "is the VS your current LI"? Another prereq could be your morality and the last prereq is "were you loyal to the VS!LI or did you cheat"?

Modifié par CptData, 17 novembre 2011 - 09:36 .

[KyreneZA]

CptData wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Without spoiling the facts in particular, has some new set of spoilers come out to give a single comprehensive look at the game?

The initial spoilers had contradicting scenes that implied a number of attempts to phrase different scenes. Now a days, people are increasingly treating them like they're all directly applicable.

Most indeed.

Fellas, seriously, the same character won't be on the chopping block three times.

From what I've read through the NonShip and Test files, the poor VS will have a possible Wrex-kill 2.0 moment, followed later by a definite Virmire 2.0 scene, followed again later by a possible Wrex-kill 2.1 moment. But can survive all three. Still that is three times on the chopping block as you stated.

Hopefully, as others have wished, it's a very early draft, or else I get the feeling we're all gonna be trolled pretty hard in ME3.

Dunno - it was difficult to say tbh.

The Virmire 2.0 scene seemed to be avoidable of some sort - at least if you did the prereqs.
Also possible you can avoid Wrex 2.0 by same prereqs.

Lets say it IS possible to kill the VS in three different events, then they only will apply to those people not having all prereqs to avoid those scenes. One prereq could be "is the VS your current LI"? Another prereq could be your morality and the last prereq is "were you loyal to the VS!LI or did you cheat"?

Applicability/avoidability has nothing to do with my answer. Yes, they can be avoided, or in a worst case Virmire 2.0 situation, the other martyr can be chosen. Doesn't detract from the fact that you can possibly kill the VS on three seperate occasions (even if once is enough to preclude the other two).

[CptData]

Kyrene wrote...

CptData wrote...

Dunno - it was difficult to say tbh.

The Virmire 2.0 scene seemed to be avoidable of some sort - at least if you did the prereqs.
Also possible you can avoid Wrex 2.0 by same prereqs.

Lets say it IS possible to kill the VS in three different events, then they only will apply to those people not having all prereqs to avoid those scenes. One prereq could be "is the VS your current LI"? Another prereq could be your morality and the last prereq is "were you loyal to the VS!LI or did you cheat"?

Applicability/avoidability has nothing to do with my answer. Yes, they can be avoided, or in a worst case Virmire 2.0 situation, the other martyr can be chosen. Doesn't detract from the fact that you can possibly kill the VS on three seperate occasions (even if once is enough to preclude the other two).

Lets say I'm not happy with that fact as well. But if I'm correct, a player who cares for the VS won't even face one of three situations where you can kill the VS or choose the other squadmate and therefore sacrificing the VS.
In that playthrough the VS will survive.

If the player don't care about the VS at least one and up to all three situations will happen. So I think it's okay. VS-lovers won't have to put the VS in danger, VS-non-carers can decide if they wanna keep the VS and VS-haters would cry if they don't have the chance to kill the VS.

You know the deal: "BW is shoving down the throat ABC" ... it's always the same sh!t. With such scenario I described everyone should accept the story.

Modifié par CptData, 17 novembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[KyreneZA]

CptData wrote...

Lets say I'm not happy with that fact as well.

I think we may be agreeing, but from different points of view, and some misunderstanding is creeping in because of that.

Let me state that I am over the moon with the Virmire 2.0 scenario, even if nothing my Shepard could do would save both mission companions. I can finally get to let what should have happened on Virmire, happen on Thessia. But that's just me personally.

On the other hand, the Virmire 2.0 also dismays me in that it takes away my choice. What if I want to take along other companions for that mission? Why is the VS a candiate for death three times, where Garrus is never (in the ME3 context, thus stipulating that he survived the SM)? If I do manage somehow to take Garrus on the Virmire 2.0 mission, is the other companion automatically doomed to be a candidate for death?

While I'm in no doubt that the leaked script will be awesome in execusion, it does also reek of pandering to too many (or too few, depending on your pov) stakeholders. To its detriment. It seems like each episode in the trilogy has been cobbled together from a warped gestalt of the previous one (ME being the exception, since it had no faults except for what was built into it by its creators).

[CptData]

I think it isn't sure if the VS has to be picked for that particular mission, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Kelarq]

I'm relatively happy - my favourite characters from ME2 don't really feature, but I kind of expected it tbh. There was no way Bioware was going to spend money on a 16 person squad, fully voiced and available throughout, nor were they going to allow players who finished the SM with only their Shep and 2 surviving squadmates to miss such a huge piece of content.

[S.A.K]

The point where BW screwed up was ME2 when they too many people on the squad. Well its too late to fix now and they are forced to choose a few out of that huge squad.

[Someone With Mass]

S.A.K wrote...

The point where BW screwed up was ME2 when they too many people on the squad. Well its too late to fix now and they are forced to choose a few out of that huge squad.

They still have plenty of people on the squad in ME3.

About eight (if you count the VS as two) squadmates will be available when you've unlocked them all.

[CptData]

Someone With Mass wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

The point where BW screwed up was ME2 when they too many people on the squad. Well its too late to fix now and they are forced to choose a few out of that huge squad.

They still have plenty of people on the squad in ME3.

About eight (if you count the VS as two) squadmates will be available when you've unlocked them all.

Wait, didn't fully get it.

As far as I know only three members (four if there's a new female squadmate) are "set in stone" for ME3:

- Liara
- VS
- Vega
- unknown female squadmate

PLUS

- unknown CE character
- Tali
- Garrus
- Grunt (cameo - single mission?)
- Wrex (cameo - single mission?)
- Mordin (cameo - single mission?)
- Miranda
- Jack (cameo - single mission?)
- Thane (cameo - single mission?)
- Jacob
- Samara / Morinth (cameo - single mission?)
- Zaeed (only for those who have DLC in ME2?)
- Kasumi (only for those who have DLC in ME2?)

Most of them won't return for more than a cameo and/or a story mission or two. At least that's what I believe from what I heard & read (without going into more details). In case you have a LI from ME2 you'll have a romance story arc for any romanceable character, doesn't matter if s/he is part of the "permanent" squadmates or not - also that's just what I heard.

Lets face it: half of the guys are "too much" in a way BW won't be able to write an interesting story arc for them. It's just not possible - and even BW does, their missions won't have too much impact on ME3 main plot since all of them can die in ME2 / can be ignored for recruiting. That's a bad thing for fans of those characters.
Exception seems to be Mordin (as seen as in leaked beta).

[Someone With Mass]

Well, I have seen quite a few options in the script where you can assign a squadmate to a special task, like hacking a terminal, and those squadmate options are: Vega, Garrus, Tali, VS, Liara, *secret new squadmate* and *secret new squadmate*

I know the identity of those two squadmates, but it'd be a pretty huge spoiler.

[CptData]

Hmm, dunno. I won't be surprised if one of both "new squadmate" is the female squadmate I was talking of and the other one being a bonus character.