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[Someone With Mass]

While I agree that the script isn't perfect (hey, point me towards one that is perfect from an objective point of view) there are some moments the previous games have lead up to, and I'm completely fine with that.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, given that it's only temporary, there's no big deal about it.

She'll resign the second it's all worked out.

[Nerevar-as]

She´s 26 at most and her father died in unclear circumstances at best. Unless it´s shown clearly it is political maneuvering and she´s little more than a figurehead it makes no sense.

[android654]

So, let me get this straight, if you dont like Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus or Tali, your basically getting cameos from your favorite characters and that's it? So the past two games where you spent time building relationships and bridges with other characters was all for nothing?

...brilliant writing...

[CptData]

android654 wrote...

So, let me get this straight, if you dont like Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus or Tali, your basically getting cameos from your favorite characters and that's it? So the past two games where you spent time building relationships and bridges with other characters was all for nothing?

...brilliant writing...

I think Miranda and Mordin will have bigger roles from what I know.

But yes, the ME2 cast won't have that much screentime compared to the "original crew". That's a sad thing especially for PS3-players, but never forget the ME-fans got the thing running.

Modifié par CptData, 22 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Saber Wolf]

CptData wrote...

android654 wrote...

So, let me get this straight, if you dont like Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus or Tali, your basically getting cameos from your favorite characters and that's it? So the past two games where you spent time building relationships and bridges with other characters was all for nothing?

...brilliant writing...

I think Miranda and Mordin will have bigger roles from what I know.

But yes, the ME2 cast won't have that much screentime compared to the "original crew". That's a sad thing especially for PS3-players, but never forget the ME-fans got the thing running.

And that's a good thing. Or at least imo it is.

[Yezdigerd]

I think it's a lost storytelling element to reduce the ME2 crew to cameos and introduce brand new squadmates in their place you have no relation to. Since the plot in ME2 basically was to get to know these guys, ditching them the next game is like declaring ME2 filler material.

[Barquiel]

CptData wrote...

android654 wrote...

So, let me get this straight, if you dont like Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus or Tali, your basically getting cameos from your favorite characters and that's it? So the past two games where you spent time building relationships and bridges with other characters was all for nothing?

...brilliant writing...

I think Miranda and Mordin will have bigger roles from what I know.

But yes, the ME2 cast won't have that much screentime compared to the "original crew". That's a sad thing especially for PS3-players, but never forget the ME-fans got the thing running.

It's a sad thing for Miranda, Jack, Thane,...fans as well. The ME1 romance fans always knew there will be Mass Effect 3...and that our favorite characters were sidelined because Bioware wanted to make sure they survive ME2 and play a vital role in ME3. ME2 romance fans get their cameo...and that's it.

[Someone With Mass]

They hadn't filled the spot on the board left by my father. I was invited in.

It's just a technicality. I'm far too young to be a real admiral.

In the case that she's exiled:

When the war started, the Admiralty Board asked for my help. I had more recent contact with the geth than most of my people.

They offered to end my exile if I could help us retake the homeworld.

But wait, here's the point where the idiots of BSN rushes in and says that it's bad and stupid writing.

Here's a challenge for you: Write a better version and send it in to BioWare. I'm sure they will care.

[CptData]

Barquiel wrote...

It's a sad thing for Miranda, Jack, Thane,...fans as well. The ME1 romance fans always knew there will be Mass Effect 3...and that our favorite characters were sidelined because Bioware wanted to make sure they survive ME2 and play a vital role in ME3. ME2 romance fans get their cameo...and that's it.

Hmm, lets say the romance arcs will be there, regardless if you have Miranda, Thane etc on board or not. I have no more details since I refuse reading any romance spoilers, but from what I heard all of them will be "satisfying". And that's no BW talk but from other users, also including Miri fans etc.

Most screen time is reserved for Liara, then VS, then Team Dextro, so it's easy to come to the conclusion their romance arcs will be longer / deeper. Maybe that's not true. The only thing that WILL be true is that those four characters will deal more impact to the story than other characters. By the way, I feared / still fear the VS will be the series punching bag once more which is as unfair as a beloved character gets reduced to a short cameo or one unimportant and "skipable" mission.

But no need to start ancient old debates.

[Someone With Mass]

Yezdigerd wrote...

I think it's a lost storytelling element to reduce the ME2 crew to cameos and introduce brand new squadmates in their place you have no relation to. Since the plot in ME2 basically was to get to know these guys, ditching them the next game is like declaring ME2 filler material.

The second installment in a trilogy usually is a filler, so...duh.


Also, to think that they have the time to please every single fanbase and give every character just as much importance to the plot and screen time is just dumb. It'd be a mess if they tried to put in all twelve squadmates in such a situation.

Not to mention that it'd make the game incomplete for those who might have lost a squadmate or two on the suicide mission.

There'd be about 16 squadmates to choose from, and I don't think they want to dedicate that much time to all of them either.

Because then it'd be a slight repeat of ME2.

[HiroVoid]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yezdigerd wrote...

I think it's a lost storytelling element to reduce the ME2 crew to cameos and introduce brand new squadmates in their place you have no relation to. Since the plot in ME2 basically was to get to know these guys, ditching them the next game is like declaring ME2 filler material.

The second installment in a trilogy usually is a filler, so...duh.

Saying the second installment is almost always filler, so we should just accept it doesn't solve the fact that it was still a problem.

[Someone With Mass]

The goal of ME2 was to recruit a team to stop the Collectors. Getting to know that team is completely optional.

[HiroVoid]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The goal of ME2 was to recruit a team to stop the Collectors. Getting to know that team is completely optional.

The collector plot as a whole was basically filler.  Shepard himself can admit to as much when talking to Liara after 'Lair of the Shadow Broker'.  Even the head writer said the story was the 'characters'.

[Barquiel]

I think the suicide mission (everyone can die) was simply a stupid idea for the middle part of the triology.

[Someone With Mass]

Barquiel wrote...

I think the suicide mission (everyone can die) was simply a stupid idea for the middle part of the triology.

I think the most stupid idea was to introduce so many new characters. Some of which, we don't really need. Like Thane.

Sure, he's a pretty good character, but he adds absolutely nothing when it comes to the progress of being ready for the Collectors.

Same with Zaeed and Grunt.

[HiroVoid]

Zaeed, Grunt, and Thane hold the line the best at the end. Zaeed and Kasumi are dlc characters, so I don't count them too much. I agree Thane actually doesn't have much relevance in the overall galaxy. Grunt actually adds a lot by giving real introspection into the Krogan culture, and being half the reason we go to Tuchanka.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kal'Reegar had recent contact with the geth. Why wasn't he made an admiral? He's a lot smarter than Tali is and a better leader on top of it.

I could easily write something better and send it in but I'm positive Bioware doesn't give a ****.

How did he put it? "I just shoot things"?

Yeah, we already have an admiral like that. Han'Gerrel.

Does Kal'Reegar know how the processes in a geth platform works if you need to extract data from it? I don't think so. Does he know how to hack terminals to access different part of a ship and disable anti-aircraft guns without explosives (and there are such moments in the script, by the way)? I don't think so either.

[DonutsDealer]

Yezdigerd wrote...

I think it's a lost storytelling element to reduce the ME2 crew to cameos and introduce brand new squadmates in their place you have no relation to. Since the plot in ME2 basically was to get to know these guys, ditching them the next game is like declaring ME2 filler material.

But keep in mind that most of the characters of ME2 were just hired guns, mercenaries. And their loyalty indicator only meant that they were focused in the mission. It was pretty damn clear that they were going to leave you after the Suicide Mission. I'm not really shocked about them not being in your team, but yeah it sucks when you can't have your favourite character as squadmember, but you get to see them and what they are doing. Try to think it that way: They will fight in this war too. The galaxy is a big place and they are needed in other locations. The Normandy alone can't win the war.

[Bio Addict]

HiroVoid wrote...

Zaeed, Grunt, and Thane hold the line the best at the end. Zaeed and Kasumi are dlc characters, so I don't count them too much. I agree Thane actually doesn't have much relevance in the overall galaxy. Grunt actually adds a lot by giving real introspection into the Krogan culture, and being half the reason we go to Tuchanka.

Actually Zaeed, Grunt, and Garrus are the best defenders at the end.  Thane is middle tier.  FYI