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[Zweijsters]

Meh I wish I could come up with a witty comment...

[boba1974]

[quote]nothing3839 wrote...

[quote]boba1974 wrote...

[quote]nothing3839 wrote...


[/quote]

Don't assume that you know what I know...thats a bad argumentative strategy.  For all you know I can be a developer?  Try to focus on things that are actually said...not your assumptions about what I do or my personal character.  Think before you write.

On the subject of game development look at the list of games you put down.  Do you even know the difference between developer and publisher?  Judging for the names you placed in the same category you clearly don't.  
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Ok, let's focus on things you've said.

1) You said you're a gamer who expects more "bang for their buck"...so prove it. List the games you've bought in the past couple of years that offer more bang for your buck than Dragon Age.

2) You said DLC cost Bethesda in the long term...prove it. Since you're so big in proof and backing up your claims, lets see ANYTHING that shows Bethesda has lost fanbase loyalty from DLC.

Of course, you'll dodge these questions like you've dodged every other in this thread.

[/quote]

To your first point, there really is no reason for me to list games in my library that have more or just as much content as Dragonage, at least as it stands at this point.  In fact, the exact amount of "content", if that can ever be determined, is not at issue here.  What is at issue is Bioware's relationship to its fanbase and its marketing strategy with the DLC's.

To your second point, do you honestly want url's to community sites ****ing about Beth's Oblivion and Fallout 3 DLC content?  I never made a numerical or statistical argument like you, because I know I do not have the data to support such an argument.  What I am saying is that there was much discontent as one other person on the forum mentioned.  

Simply put DLC's are always points of debate because most people believe that games these days are not cheep and asking additional money for models that are very easy to tack on to the game engine (I know enough about programing and third party mods to know this) is not exactly popular and always justified.  I think WK is a prefect example of this.  
[/quote]


Thanks for doing exactly what I thought you would.

The fact is, you don't want to list any games, because you know got nailed on that question. If the amount of content isn't an issue, you wouldn't have used the "bang for your buck" card, which directly relates to content for your dollar.

Discontent over DLC on a forum means absolutely nothing. Like I told you before, the Boycott Modern Warfare 2 group on Steam are all playing Modern Warfare 2 after weeks of their bellyaching about not buying it. Just because someone makes a bunch of noise on a forum doesn't mean they won't go and buy exactly what they were complaining about in the first place. You don't have data because you're flat out wrong. Fallout 3 sold more copies than Oblivion, so your "forum chatter" didn't do anything to their sales in the long run.

DLC is always a debate because there is always someone who willing to complain about something. If you don't believe that run on over to the World of Warcraft forums and you'll see thousands and thousands of posts that do nothing but complain, all while handing Blizzard their $15 a month.
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Modifié par boba1974, 23 novembre 2009 - 01:22 .

[nothing3839]

Wickedjelly wrote...

nothing3839 wrote...

To your second point, do you honestly want url's to community sites ****ing about Beth's Oblivion and Fallout 3 DLC content?  I never made a numerical or statistical argument like you, because I know I do not have the data to support such an argument.  What I am saying is that there was much discontent as one other person on the forum mentioned.  

Simply put DLC's are always points of debate because most people believe that games these days are not cheep and asking additional money for models that are very easy to tack on to the game engine (I know enough about programing and third party mods to know this) is not exactly popular and always justified.  I think WK is a prefect example of this.  

That proves nothing.  It's the internet...people love to ****.  No matter what you do, no matter how much you put into something,etc. someone will always be displeased or want more.

...and to be fair, while it certainly wouldn't quell all complaints about Wardens' Keep if it would have been $5, the keep reusable after entering plus treated like an actual camp locale, and there wasn't a story with no ending a lot of the complaints that exist wouldn't be around.

Of course there would still be some but in my opinion there would be a hell of a lot less of them.

So, showing a bunch of internet traffic of people complaining and arguing about DLC's does not prove my argument that people in fact did **** and complain about DLC's?  Dude...wtf?

I'm clearly wasting my time here...Good luck to Bioware and the rest of you.  I'm done.  

[Ghandorian]

nothing3839 wrote...

I am very disappointed by the community's discussion regarding the downloadable content in Dragonage and Bioware's decision to charge additional cost. I should say that I am disappointed by the lack of discussion.  A few threads that have been opened by people who are critical of the cost as well as the aggressive ingame marketing of the additional content have usually been flamed by the vast hordes of Bioware fanboys and the usual "no one is forcing you to buy the game..." arguments.  You know, I really expected a more critical and pro-consumer response from the gaming community.  $50 to $60 is not a small amount of money to pay for a limited user licence for a peace of software (thats right, limited user licence, not ownership, read your user agreement) and charging money for several hours of additional content is not considerate toward the average gamer's budget.  In my opinion this is a clear example of an industry wide trend of developing new strategies and schemes to extract as much money as possible for the consumer.  
I guess this was only the next step for an industry that is accustomed to releasing broken or unfinished products, charging full price, and then "fixing" the problems though a series of downloadable patches for months or years (oh and Dragonage has is fare share of bugs).  I just expected more from this community than "...Bioware is awesome...no one forced you to buy..."

OK I'm joe typical PC user. I have not completed my first playthorugh yet and I got the game day one. I have over 100 hours of pure fun into the game so far. I have no patches installed and seem to experance none of these horrid conflicts or game breaking immersion killers. As a matter of fact I was just shutting down for night thinking "Holly Crap this game is so involved" 100 HOURS so far! On a single origin playthrough! Nothing broken, nothing screwed up. Only had one little crash. Thats nothing for a program this advanced!

And I'm not using anthing more than the req spec machine. Win xp, 2 gig ram 2x core ect. This is one hell of good game and well worth the money I spent already! Anything after this is Gravy

[xcorps]

Zweijsters wrote...

Meh I wish I could come up with a witty comment...

www.witty-quotes.com/

[Dagorgil]

So you played Neverwinter Nights and beat it. You wanted more of a story, but didn't want to play the game again. A couple months later, Bioware releases an adventure pack with another mission. Hey, it's $30!!! OH NO!! I already bought NWN the first time... why are they charging me for MORE CONTENT?!? This is ridiculous...

/sarcasm off

[Wickedjelly]

nothing3839 wrote...

So, showing a bunch of internet traffic of people complaining and arguing about DLC's does not prove my argument that people in fact did **** and complain about DLC's?  Dude...wtf?

I'm clearly wasting my time here...Good luck to Bioware and the rest of you.  I'm done.  

Are you kidding?  You can go on forums and find people complaining about anything and everything.  How does posting links to people doing it on a different forum prove anything?  Yes, it's a hot button issue amongst us gaming nerds.  That doesn't mean the fact that it's a heated topic amongst some has somehow damaged the companies that have used dlc.  You said it affected their loyalty towards those companies which in turn I would assume you're saying affected their sales and the company's overall profitability with said products compared to what would have transpired if they did not dlcs.

How does posting links of people complaining about dlc prove any of this besides my point that it's the internet ergo people love to ****?

[dewcrowe]

You have to look at everything not just your pocket book when bringing this up. $60 was what you paid to get about 45 hours of one character through the main story (given you don't do everything in the game) That right there for me is worth $60. Now the bugs you mention problems with the game and the patches that come out aren't going to cost you anything except bandwidth. On the other hand bioware is fixing these problems fast as they can. Which costs them money. At the same time they have people working on New DLC and future addons and what not for this game. And that is costing them money. So I would say it is reasonable to pay $5 for some DLC considering they are spending way more then that to get it made.

[Raxxman]

For me, and I've stated this a few times, the issue with the DLC isn't a cost over time edition. But rather the direction being taken with the content.



The tiny packets that Bioware are offering are an introduction of a worrying trend. Wardens Keep was tiny, and return to Ost so far has been stated that it's shorter. This hits out as disturbing for me because, as a fan of RPGs I like story. An hour long addon isn't going to bring much story with it, it simply can't, it's not long enough to do so.



I proposed a question which simply got buried under inane comments in the official question thread, which rather than challenge the costing/time ratio rather questioned the direction of the DLC. As I pointed out, the point and click adventure series has been brought back to life with the introduction of episodic content. As a marketing scheme this seems to be the perfect platform for a story driven game to springboard off. So the question comes down to why are Bioware sticking with a DLC scheme that wasn't very well received when used on Mass Effect? I just worry that the trend will bubble down to shorter and shorter DLCs, with reskinned loot becoming the only thinly dangled prize to entice you to buy.



As for fanboys, they'll always be around, they're not smart, and there's no point trying to engage in a dialogue with them, they've already made their mind up.

[boba1974]

Wickedjelly wrote...

Are you kidding?  You can go on forums and find people complaining about anything and everything.  How does posting links to people doing it on a different forum prove anything?  Yes, it's a hot button issue amongst us gaming nerds.  That doesn't mean the fact that it's a heated topic amongst some has somehow damaged the companies that have used dlc.  You said it affected their loyalty towards those companies which in turn I would assume you're saying affected their sales and the company's overall profitability with said products compared to what would have transpired if they did not dlcs.

How does posting links of people complaining about dlc prove any of this besides my point that it's the internet ergo people love to ****?

You're wasting your time, he's a troll in sheeps clothing.

He was asked multiple times to back up his claims, yet never did. On top of that, using complaints on a forum as the basis for your argument either shows a complete lack of intelligence, a newness to the internet, or someone who is grasping at straws.

There's a neat little song that say's "the internet's for porn", and it probably is, but the internet is most certainly for ****ing, first and foremost. Add gamers into that equation and the ****ing becomes legendary. I've literally seen people on a forum complain about a game for six months or more and then turn around and buy it the day it comes out. I have a friend that complains to me about WoW every time i see him, and yet he's been subscribed for 4 years straight with no end in sight.

This picture pretty much sums up what complaining on a game forum means in the long run:

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[koshiee]

fanboys are dumb. EA must salivate at their idiocy. But like others have said talk w/ your wallet. Don't buy any DLC and hope that enough people do so that EA realizes it can only rip you off so much.

[Wickedjelly]

boba1974 wrote...

You're wasting your time, he's a troll in sheeps clothing.

He was asked multiple times to back up his claims, yet never did. On top of that, using complaints on a forum as the basis for your argument either shows a complete lack of intelligence, a newness to the internet, or someone who is grasping at straws.

There's a neat little song that say's "the internet's for porn", and it probably is, but the internet is most certainly for ****ing, first and foremost. Add gamers into that equation and the ****ing becomes legendary. I've literally seen people on a forum complain about a game for six months or more and then turn around and buy it the day it comes out. I have a friend that complains to me about WoW every time i see him, and yet he's been subscribed for 4 years straight with no end in sight.

This picture pretty much sums up what complaining on a game forum means in the long run:

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Very true, just a bit mind boggling is all.  My favorite WoW haters are the ones that start out by saying they played the game for x amount of years and then go on to tell you how terrible a game it is, how it ruined mmos, and an assortment of varying insults at players that still play the game

[Georg Zoeller]

The pinnacle of intelligent discourse, contained here, in this post. The universe has achieved equilibrium. my work is done.
[quote]koshiee wrote...

fanboys are dumb. EA must salivate at their idiocy. But like others have said talk w/ your wallet. Don't buy any DLC and hope that enough people do so that EA realizes it can only rip you off so much. [/quotse]

[BlindHamster]

nothing3839 wrote...

So, showing a bunch of internet traffic of people complaining and arguing about DLC's does not prove my argument that people in fact did **** and complain about DLC's?  Dude...wtf?

I'm clearly wasting my time here...Good luck to Bioware and the rest of you.  I'm done.  

Ultimately, there is one simple rule... as human beings we are more likely to complain and get angry when something goes wrong or badly than we are to give kudos about things. Therefore when you see x number of threads online with people complaining about one thing or another, it's generally safe to assume that there are x number more people out there sitting contendetly without a care in the world.

Everyone could do with relaxing, Bioware aren't out to screw us over, over the years Bioware has been one of the best Developers for standing up for their fans. I truelly don't think that'll change any time soon. When Mass effect was going to get identicle software protection to horrible horrible spore... the fans said no, and Bioware made the changes.

Nothining3893, as you joined the community in 04 you've obviously been around a long time, don't worry too much, don't bother with the content that doesn't interest you and wait for expansions, I assume you've no issue with those as Bioware has a good record for making great expansions.

We got 1 free DLC in the form of Shale which means Bioware has already released as much free DLC as Bethesda did. We may get more, likely we wont, but the quality is far greater. I personally would rather purchase the content that interests me and keep the company going so they can make another epic game like Dragon Age in the future.

chio

[jsog]

I haven't bought Warden's Keep... yet. And I may not, because of the reviews it's gotten.



I will buy Return to Ostagar, because the idea interests me and the potential for character development there is something I really want to see.



I don't feel ripped off by not getting Warden's Keep for free... at all. Hell, I was pumped to know I got Shale for free.



I guess that makes me a sucker. or a fanboi. I don't know which. Someone enlighten me!

[Sarakinoi]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

Would the OP buy the expansion when and if it comes out? Or are just afraid (as some others are) that DLC will take the place of expansion and cost more in doing so? Seeing how there is no evidence that Bioware is only making DLC for Dragon Age, this cannot be the reason.

I doubt very much that the issue is downloadable vs disk addons.

We really need to find a name for short expansions. Most people seem to use the word expansion for bigger game addons, and DLC for tiny addons. It is confusing since it suggests that there is an issue with the downloadable aspect, which is not the case.

[Crevex]

Im not a huge fan of DLC, which is why i dont buy it. Simple. No use in crying about it.

I do however have a problem with the fact that they purposely released the game with no way of storing items, unless you fork out a few extra bucks. This is a disturbing tread. Releasing an incomplete product and expecting people to willingly pay a few extra dollars for something that really should have been in the initial release. I dont mind at all if DLC content is available to those wish to purchase more content. But you shouldnt have to buy a fundamental element of the game. Dont tell me about development costs for adding a storage crate either...

Having said that i love this game. I love that they have a tool set. I cant wait to see some of the player mods in the coming months. Ive told all my friends to buy this game. Even without item storage i really enjoy this product, and in a way it adds a new element of inventory management.

Modifié par Crevex, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:29 .

[BioReaperEA]

My only complaint about dlc's is, if I didn't download it...why do I have an empty slot in my acheivements for it?



I guess I can't complete the game unless I buy it right? Otherwise it wouldn't be staring me in the face and a guy at camp wouldn't be pleding with me to buy it. Talk about in game marketing, I was half expecting to see a Mcdonalds billboard along the imperial highway.



By the way jsog, due to the degree of integrating into the main game, the stone prisoner "DLC" was probably to be in the game somehow and then slated for dlc or it was planned as a pre-order incentive and then turn extra money maker.

[GoldenusG]

Having said that i love this game. I love that they have a tool set. I cant wait to see some of the player mods in the coming months. Ive told all my friends to buy this game. Even without item storage i really enjoy this product, and in a way it adds a new element of inventory management.

Theres a chest mod...  Here:  http://social.bioware.com/project/463/ shows up in the camp.

One thing I'm concerned about with the DLC, is that some very nifty player mods will want resources found only if you have certain DLC's...

[macayle]

nothing3839 wrote...

I am very disappointed by the community's discussion regarding the downloadable content in Dragonage and Bioware's decision to charge additional cost. I should say that I am disappointed by the lack of discussion.  A few threads that have been opened by people who are critical of the cost as well as the aggressive ingame marketing of the additional content have usually been flamed by the vast hordes of Bioware fanboys and the usual "no one is forcing you to buy the game..." arguments.  You know, I really expected a more critical and pro-consumer response from the gaming community.  $50 to $60 is not a small amount of money to pay for a limited user licence for a peace of software (thats right, limited user licence, not ownership, read your user agreement) and charging money for several hours of additional content is not considerate toward the average gamer's budget.  In my opinion this is a clear example of an industry wide trend of developing new strategies and schemes to extract as much money as possible for the consumer.  
I guess this was only the next step for an industry that is accustomed to releasing broken or unfinished products, charging full price, and then "fixing" the problems though a series of downloadable patches for months or years (oh and Dragonage has is fare share of bugs).  I just expected more from this community than "...Bioware is awesome...no one forced you to buy..."

It seems that your disappointment is more along the lines of the fact that most of the players do not share your opinon  I have only seen a few flames myself in any of the threads on this topic and they are usually from the people that agree with your side of the argument.  The no one is forcing you to buy is a lame  point of view  just not yours.  This trend has been around since atlest 2005 when EQII started their adventure packs if not earlier.  I could agree that Wardens Keep should be a bit longer and perhaps they will add to it.  However, having the option to purchase additional content for a few dollars is not terrible.  Yes it is a way to extract money from consumers but then it that not the point of a business?

Modifié par macayle, 23 novembre 2009 - 05:03 .

[Wickedjelly]

Crevex wrote...

Im not a huge fan of DLC, which is why i dont buy it. Simple. No use in crying about it.

I do however have a problem with the fact that they purposely released the game with no way of storing items, unless you fork out a few extra bucks. This is a disturbing tread. Releasing an incomplete product and expecting people to willingly pay a few extra dollars for something that really should have been in the initial release. I dont mind at all if DLC content is available to those wish to purchase more content. But you shouldnt have to buy a fundamental element of the game. Dont tell me about development costs for adding a storage crate either...

Having said that i love this game. I love that they have a tool set. I cant wait to see some of the player mods in the coming months. Ive told all my friends to buy this game. Even without item storage i really enjoy this product, and in a way it adds a new element of inventory management.

I can't argue with that.  Truthfully the storage chest should have been available either as part of the original game or patched in.  There's a mod available for pc users created by a player that adds one into your party camp but this doesn't do console users any good.  To be honest, the mod one is better seeing how it's in your party camp so you don't have to worry about travelling every time you want to use the vault/chest/whatever.

I honestly never used the chest myself but I can sympathize with pack rats that prefer to hang on to items.

[Crevex]

GoldenusG wrote...

Having said that i love this game. I love that they have a tool set. I cant wait to see some of the player mods in the coming months. Ive told all my friends to buy this game. Even without item storage i really enjoy this product, and in a way it adds a new element of inventory management.

Theres a chest mod...  Here:  http://social.bioware.com/project/463/ shows up in the camp.

One thing I'm concerned about with the DLC, is that some very nifty player mods will want resources found only if you have certain DLC's...

Awesome news. Thanks for the heads up.