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[Zealuu]

Once DLC manages to shed its hitherto well-deserved moniker - "Disappointingly Little Content" - I'll happily buy it, as I've done with for instance The Lost and the Damned / The Ballad of Gay Tony for GTA IV. They're not as long as the main game, but by today's (poor) industry standard they could more or less be passed off as stand-alone games in their own respect regardless.

Warden's Keep is rather costly for an hour-long dungeon crawl and a party chest (the latter of which should have been in the game from the get-go anyway, instead we have to resort to a mod...), hence why I haven't bought it.

Modifié par Zealuu, 23 novembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[Godeshus]

Hmm. I should do a search on the forums for everyone who enjoys dlc and say 'If you don't like it, don't buy it', then compile a script and send it to the Bioware Web Devs.



When anyone posts 'YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHARGE ME FOR MORE STUFF', the script fires and they are suddenly flooded with 50 pages of 'Then don't buy it'.

[Brimleydower]

The DLC needs more meat on its bones. I loved the ideas behind the two new quest-lines, but they just didn't last long enough.

[Aspar_Hruk]

I am amazed how some people think anything has to be "free" in the game industry, yet when they go to the market, no one gives them some "free" wine with the cheese they have bought for dinner (no pun intended .

The development cost for games like DA has risen into the skies as more and more technology and complicated scenarios are involved, meaning more man hours and more ppl. Everyone wants to see more from games, the community wants deep and complicated plots, lots to explore, voice acting etc. etc. but in the same time they seem reluctant to pay for the increased value. Games haven't increased their price for many years. An AAA game costs closely the same as it was 2-3 (even more) years ago, yet the content and quality and with those the complexity of developing those games rises with every year.

I am not defender of the DLC idea i just feel for those companies, to be honest. Ppl don't even begin to imagine how expensive is this to create, especially in the case of DA with so many years of development. Look at MMOs, do you think it's ok to be charged $15 every month and the "excuse" is only "for server support"? No, companies need to pay those ppl who develop next expansion or next game. Those ppl don't get paid low salaries, especially the ones working on the core of the title, they want to be paid good money, otherwise they move to banking software or database software or whatnot and the company loses a lot of know-how for their next title, so they need to keep their teams well paid, as with any other industry that wants to keep their valuable ppl in.

I don't want to go into more details about gaming industry (though i am kind of working in it and know a lot of stuff from the kitchen) but ppl...stop thinking the companies owe you anything for free, that's not true, they don't owe you anything for free. The game industry have changed, a lot, it's very expensive to develop contemporary titles and it requires investment and it is normal ppl to pay for what is given to them, cause it requires money to develop that DLC, expansion or whatnot.

[WishFish123]

"you don't have to buy game" ?



yes, ofcourse, next time i will not buy something that is not a complete product



it's like you buy a pizza for delivery for 5$ and delivery guy brings you the pizza and you start eating it in your home but to discover that there is no cheese on the pizza but a small note: "we can also bring you some cheese for 1$.



This is disrespect toward buyers! What a shame!

[bjdbwea]

WishFish123 wrote...

it's like you buy a pizza for delivery for 5$ and delivery guy brings you the pizza and you start eating it in your home but to discover that there is no cheese on the pizza but a small note: "we can also bring you some cheese for 1$.

This is disrespect toward buyers! What a shame!

As much as I'm against DLC, and as much as I agree that this industry displays a lot of disrespect to the customers, that comparison is just not valid. The game WAS complete "with cheese". Even if they took Shale out only because they wanted to sell it, it would still be a game with enough companions compared to other games, including BioWare games. I do believe that in future games, even more content will be cut out and put into DLCs, and if it gets bad enough, I will not buy these games, like I don't buy rip-off DLC now. But that situation has not arrived yet, at least not with BioWare. I fear it will, but there's still hope that it won't.

The storage chest, I agree, was missing. But on the other hand, it's not that important because of the dumbed down inventory system that already allows you to carry much more than you could in other games.

[Godeshus]

WishFish123 wrote...

"you don't have to buy game" ?

yes, ofcourse, next time i will not buy something that is not a complete product

it's like you buy a pizza for delivery for 5$ and delivery guy brings you the pizza and you start eating it in your home but to discover that there is no cheese on the pizza but a small note: "we can also bring you some cheese for 1$.

This is disrespect toward buyers! What a shame!

Right. Because DA:O without Dragon Armor is just like missing half your pizza. This truly has to be one of the stupidest analogies for anything I have ever heard. Ever.

Perhaps if you bought the game you would have been able to register it, then you would have been able to claim your Free DLC, which came with the game you would have purchased, and you wouldn't be complaining that you aren't getting more free stuff. You can take your 'this is disrespect towards buyers!' and shove it up your hypocritical ass with the rest of your torrents.

Modifié par Godeshus, 23 novembre 2009 - 11:46 .

[Spaceweed10]

nothing3839 wrote...

I am very disappointed by the community's discussion regarding the downloadable content in Dragonage and Bioware's decision to charge additional cost. I should say that I am disappointed by the lack of discussion.  A few threads that have been opened by people who are critical of the cost as well as the aggressive ingame marketing of the additional content have usually been flamed by the vast hordes of Bioware fanboys and the usual "no one is forcing you to buy the game..." arguments.  You know, I really expected a more critical and pro-consumer response from the gaming community.  $50 to $60 is not a small amount of money to pay for a limited user licence for a peace of software (thats right, limited user licence, not ownership, read your user agreement) and charging money for several hours of additional content is not considerate toward the average gamer's budget.  In my opinion this is a clear example of an industry wide trend of developing new strategies and schemes to extract as much money as possible for the consumer.  
I guess this was only the next step for an industry that is accustomed to releasing broken or unfinished products, charging full price, and then "fixing" the problems though a series of downloadable patches for months or years (oh and Dragonage has is fare share of bugs).  I just expected more from this community than "...Bioware is awesome...no one forced you to buy..."

What an incredible pile of poo - sans paragraphs - you have amalgamated there.

DA:O is probably the best value for replayability I've ever seen in a game.  I haven't even finished a complete playthrough yet, but have logged nearly 200hrs on my various main characters.

I notice you don't mention the main culprit in this wall of text, but I think 'EA' have to shoulder a large proportion of the blame.  Regardless, you answered your own question - vote with your wallet and don't buy it.  There is always a choice, as in DA:O...

[ulisses78]

NWN has one of the longest life on the game industry. And his Premium modules where something that was outstanding. I know this guys can do it better with the DL content, just give some time.

Players also has their word on it (some of the best mods on NWN where player made). At some point we will not need Bioware's new content, because there will be plenty to choose freely from players. This is a personal choose.

I'll buy them as long as I have some spared money. This game it's making history already and I can see will have longer live that any other.

Long live to DAO!

[WishFish123]

Godeshus wrote...

Right. Because DA:O without Dragon Armor is just like missing half your pizza. This truly has to be one of the stupidest analogies for anything I have ever heard. Ever.

Perhaps if you bought the game you would have been able to register it, then you would have been able to claim your Free DLC, which came with the game you would have purchased, and you wouldn't be complaining that you aren't getting more free stuff. You can take your 'this is disrespect towards buyers!' and shove it up your hypocritical ass with the rest of your torrents.

You obviously don't know what analogy means. Even better, you didn't write a single argument, only insults and one assumption - that i didn't buy the game - and here you failed also.

[WishFish123]

double post - please delete

Modifié par WishFish123, 23 novembre 2009 - 12:08 .

[Allen63]

I don't buy DLC regardless of the game.



Put the same material towards an Expansion. I'll buy an Expansion (that expands the game 30 percent or more).



Thus, regarding customers like me (who don't buy DLC), Bioware wastes resources on DLC that could be spent on profitable Expansions.



Eventually, I expect Bioware to combine all the DA DLC (current and future) into a reasonably priced "add on" DVD (just like Bethesda did with Oblivion DLC). Or, perhaps, a "game of the year" edition that combines the original game and all the DLC for just a bit more than the original DLC cost alone (like Fallout 3 did). I may buy one of those DA products.



In the mean time, Bioware/EA seems to be taking advantage of its biggest and best fans (the ones buying DLC and justifying it). Bothers me that they should be treated that way. But, heck, if it doesn't bother them...

[WishFish123]

triple post - please delete

Modifié par WishFish123, 23 novembre 2009 - 12:09 .

[Jim_uk]

Nice to see so many here willing to prove the OP right. There is a discussion to be had about DLC, it won't happen though until people stop throwing insults around like spoilt children and start acting like adults. 

Modifié par Jim_uk, 23 novembre 2009 - 12:12 .

[Godeshus]

WishFish123 wrote...

Godeshus wrote...

Right. Because DA:O without Dragon Armor is just like missing half your pizza. This truly has to be one of the stupidest analogies for anything I have ever heard. Ever.

Perhaps if you bought the game you would have been able to register it, then you would have been able to claim your Free DLC, which came with the game you would have purchased, and you wouldn't be complaining that you aren't getting more free stuff. You can take your 'this is disrespect towards buyers!' and shove it up your hypocritical ass with the rest of your torrents.

You obviously don't know what analogy means. Even better, you didn't write a single argument, only insults and one assumption - that i didn't buy the game - and here you failed also.

More garbage. While no one is forcing you to register your game, and you are entirely within your rights not to do so, and no one, including myself, cares if you do or not, We still won't believe your game is purchases until there is proof, rather than empty words. If I notice, that your game is registered, I will apologize to you for the insults directed towards you. Until then, you're dumb.

[WishFish123]

Godeshus wrote...

More garbage. While no one is forcing you to register your game, and you are entirely within your rights not to do so, and no one, including myself, cares if you do or not, We still won't believe your game is purchases until there is proof, rather than empty words. If I notice, that your game is registered, I will apologize to you for the insults directed towards you. Until then, you're dumb.

Sure, will posting my game key on this forum suffice?

And from the style of your writting, i would say you're eather a child or an idiot.

But i will not continue this dialog with you, it's up to moderators to handle people like you.

[Spaceweed10]

WishFish123 wrote...


And from the style of your writting, i would say you're eather a child or an idiot.

Irony ftw .

[Are el]

I personally don't believe in the "doomsday" scenarios that people fear, that someday the gaming industry will chop up full games and sell them piece by piece, that you won't be able to finish the game until you've paid for extra DLC.

Because, simply, WE won't let them do that. We support developer and publisher decisions with our money. We vote with our wallets. If they cross the line, we won't buy their product. We've already done it, with Hellgate: London. They tried to screw us, and we screwed them instead.

Has Bioware crossed the line? Hells no! They gave us a complete 60+ hour game for standard pricing, and when playing it without DLC, you don't "feel" like anything is missing. Because it isn't missing. All the DLC is bonus, extra. And if you don't want it, then don't buy it. But players are buying the DLC, because they think it's worth it. They've voted with their wallets. And if you oppose the DLC, then it's perfectly in your right to not get it. The game will still be awesome without Warden's Keep or any other future DLC. And you can pick and choose content this way. Someone might think Warden's Keep is worth the cash, but then pass on Return to Ostagar.

[PzR Slim]

WishFish123 wrote...

"you don't have to buy game" ?

yes, ofcourse, next time i will not buy something that is not a complete product

it's like you buy a pizza for delivery for 5$ and delivery guy brings you the pizza and you start eating it in your home but to discover that there is no cheese on the pizza but a small note: "we can also bring you some cheese for 1$.

This is disrespect toward buyers! What a shame!

I disagree, as I see it, its like buying a Hawaiian Pizza and they tell you that will be $10 please. But then you say, but I want olives with that and throw on some pepperoni, they say that'll be an extra $1.  You could play through this game without the knowledge of the DLC and it would in no way ruin your experience. A pizza without cheese on the other hand would be pretty lame.

[ComputerEd]

First to the OP what is wrong with being a fanboy? If a company produces a great product and you like how the company is and thus siding with them in an issue what is wrong here? Your presumption that we should all stand up against DLC is flawed. Just because you think it is wrong does not make it so. If people are standing up tell you don't buy it if you don't like it that is just common sense. It means they feel they are getting a value even with the cost of the DLC.



Your disappointment in the community is not from a moral high ground but from a delusion that you have the only right answer and why is no one else accepting it.



Enjoyment of a game is a very personal and opinionated expereince. There is no one right answer, no right or wrong. The same is true at percieved value of a purchase. If some people find the DLC of value they are not wrong that is their choice. As it is yours to not find value in the DLC.



The argument you do not have buy the game stems from a simple position. Many people would like the forums to be about the game and playing it not about a complaint about the pay system. Your opinion will not change it and in the end is a waste of bandwidth in this forum to these people. The arguement BTW is valid. If you do not like the financial options presented for this game then do not buy, it is that simple. Bioware does not OWE you anything in this game. The DLC position has been clear since before launch so you likely did not get supirsed after the purchase of the game. Additionally the purchase without DLC provides a great game easily worth the cost so you where not cheated in any way.



The solution to all of this is simple, if you are unhappy with the game do not buy or play it. If you are unhappy with the community do not participate in it. If you wish to participate then accept the reality that your opinion is exactly that an opinion and not the absolute truth that if we fail to accept makes us fools.

[WishFish123]

I disagree, as I see it, its like buying a Hawaiian Pizza and they tell you that will be $10 please. But then you say, but I want olives with that and throw on some pepperoni, they say that'll be an extra $1.  You could play through this game without the knowledge of the DLC and it would in no way ruin your experience. A pizza without cheese on the other hand would be pretty lame.

But it DOES ruin my game experience, since i am that kind of player that pretty much like to complete every single quest in the game to feel happy! (or at least those that i choose)
I am a roleplayer and when i meet some guy in the game, who ask for help, but i can't help him because i didn't pay for a DLC, than it is like cold water on my enjoyment of the game.
Now i can't do that withought paying additional money.
That's very lame from my point of view.

At least it would be fair to write on the game box:
"this game includes quests that could not be completed withought purchasing them additionaly"
or similar.

Then, i would reconsider buying that game.

This way, i feel cheated.