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[SkippyMcGee88]

DLC is just a way for said "company/developer/publisher" to make more profits...

With that being said, some of it is worth the price...

In DA:O's case... Only fanboys think this to be true.

Neither the 2 released, and 1 upcoming... Have or look to have any actual value.

Warden' Keep... AKA Warden' Coffee break, has nearly as much gameplay as was involved reading the poorly written codexes.

SP is more justifiable because they can use that as the building stone to sell more DLC... 1 decent one and now you get 2-3-4-5-6-?, 30mn sidequests which are nothing more than a MicroT for some items and/or spells.

In before the typical... 

"Voice acting is expensive"
"I'd buy anything Bioware sold for whatever they charge"
"I'd jump off a bridge of Bioware told me too"
"EA is a good company now"


Or the mother of all insightful retorts...

"Don't buy it then"

Really? Can I not buy it? Can I really? Are you sure?

If that's you're retort than maybe you shouldn't be posting...

Summary...

DA:O's DLC is not worth it unless you have a Bioware, ME, DA, or NVN Fathead posted on your bedroom wall...

Now in before... "What's a Fathead?"

Modifié par SkippyMcGee88, 23 novembre 2009 - 01:19 .

[PzR Slim]

WishFish123 wrote...

I disagree, as I see it, its like buying a Hawaiian Pizza and they tell you that will be $10 please. But then you say, but I want olives with that and throw on some pepperoni, they say that'll be an extra $1.  You could play through this game without the knowledge of the DLC and it would in no way ruin your experience. A pizza without cheese on the other hand would be pretty lame.

But it DOES ruin my game experience, since i am that kind of player that pretty much like to complete every single quest in the game to feel happy! (or at least those that i choose)
I am a roleplayer and when i meet some guy in the game, who ask for help, but i can't help him because i didn't pay for a DLC, than it is like cold water on my enjoyment of the game.
Now i can't do that withought paying additional money.
That's very lame from my point of view.

At least it would be fair to write on the game box:
"this game includes quests that could not be completed withought purchasing them additionaly"
or similar.

Then, i would reconsider buying that game.

This way, i feel cheated.

Oh well, your loss. I don't think too many people are going to lose sleep over it. As others have said, theonly way the DLC model will disappear is if it becomes economically unviable. And until that happens then I'm afraid your just going to have to not like it and lump it. You can't expect a business that makes money from a particular way of doing business to drop that method because of a few people who are unhappy with it.

And posting on an internet forum is not going to get the attention of the developer. The ONLY thing they will look at is the money they make from DLC, once that drops below the cost of making the DLC then they will stop but only then. So don't blame the developer, blame those of us who are prepared to pay for DLC. You can hate me and rant away at me as much as you want, I will not be offended.

[Dargor Icarus]

I agree that the Warden's Keep was prety weak no wonder it cost 560 points only.you can't even go inside or anythin. Hopefully Bioware make like a mini expansion as a DLC. Kinda like what Bethesda did with Fallout 3

[ItmustBeDONE]

I did Wardens keep for three words. Power of Blood.

[Aevius]

The main thing I'm annoyed about is that achievement points unlocked from playing the game do nothing. At least in Mass Effect if I achieved something it gave me more options for a second playthrough. Guess I'll have to use $$$ to buy my DLC rather than earn it...

[SkippyMcGee88]

ItmustBeDONE wrote...

I did Wardens keep for three words. Power of Blood.

3 Words also...

Seven Dollar MicroTransaction

[PzR Slim]

SkippyMcGee88 wrote...

DLC is just a way for said "company/developer/publisher" to make more profits...

With that being said, some of it is worth the price...

In DA:O's case... Only fanboys think this to be true.

Neither the 2 released, and 1 upcoming... Have or look to have any actual value.

Warden' Keep... AKA Warden' Coffee break, has nearly as much gameplay as was involved reading the poorly written codexes.

SP is more justifiable because they can use that as the building stone to sell more DLC... 1 decent one and now you get 2-3-4-5-6-?, 30mn sidequests which are nothing more than a MicroT for some items and/or spells.

In before the typical... 

"Voice acting is expensive"
"I'd buy anything Bioware sold for whatever they charge"
"I'd jump off a bridge of Bioware told me too"
"EA is a good company now"


Or the mother of all insightful retorts...

"Don't buy it then"

Really? Can I not buy it? Can I really? Are you sure?

If that's you're retort than maybe you shouldn't be posting...

Summary...

DA:O's DLC is not worth it unless you have a Bioware, ME, DA, or NVN Fathead posted on your bedroom wall...

Now in before... "What's a Fathead?"

Unfortunately, or rather, fortunately for us, all of the above is just your opinion. Other people might have the opinion that the DLC is worth the price we are asked to pay. Neither of those opinions are wrong, they are both equally valid. Have your own opinion but don't try and pass it across as fact. I could ask you who your favourite band is. If I then said that I thought they were the worst band of all time would that make it so? I'm not goin to tell you that you are wrong to think the DLC is too expensive, I'm just going to say that I disagree with you and think that it is worth it. That doesn't make me right and you wrong it just means we have different opinions.

[WishFish123]

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

So, what option from the aforementioned would you prefer? (Alternatively, should you have another option in mind, post it!)

The only thing that i have problem with is presentation of this DLC inside game.

There is a guy standing at the camp site asking you to download DLC. It's just... lame.

Apart from that, generally speaking, i have nothing against aditional contents for games.
(As far as they leave enough developers for bugfixing)

[vanguardSOH]

PzR Slim wrote...

SkippyMcGee88 wrote...

DLC is just a way for said "company/developer/publisher" to make more profits...

With that being said, some of it is worth the price...

In DA:O's case... Only fanboys think this to be true.

Neither the 2 released, and 1 upcoming... Have or look to have any actual value.

Warden' Keep... AKA Warden' Coffee break, has nearly as much gameplay as was involved reading the poorly written codexes.

SP is more justifiable because they can use that as the building stone to sell more DLC... 1 decent one and now you get 2-3-4-5-6-?, 30mn sidequests which are nothing more than a MicroT for some items and/or spells.

In before the typical... 

"Voice acting is expensive"
"I'd buy anything Bioware sold for whatever they charge"
"I'd jump off a bridge of Bioware told me too"
"EA is a good company now"


Or the mother of all insightful retorts...

"Don't buy it then"

Really? Can I not buy it? Can I really? Are you sure?

If that's you're retort than maybe you shouldn't be posting...

Summary...

DA:O's DLC is not worth it unless you have a Bioware, ME, DA, or NVN Fathead posted on your bedroom wall...

Now in before... "What's a Fathead?"

Unfortunately, or rather, fortunately for us, all of the above is just your opinion. Other people might have the opinion that the DLC is worth the price we are asked to pay. Neither of those opinions are wrong, they are both equally valid. Have your own opinion but don't try and pass it across as fact. I could ask you who your favourite band is. If I then said that I thought they were the worst band of all time would that make it so? I'm not goin to tell you that you are wrong to think the DLC is too expensive, I'm just going to say that I disagree with you and think that it is worth it. That doesn't make me right and you wrong it just means we have different opinions.

This game i must admit DESERVES all my respect as a gamer ( bought the game after i had played on a pirated copy for at least 5 hours). It has been a while till i saw a decent game on the market (EXCLUDING the AWESOME TWO WORLDS rpg) that has been so complete to most extends. The acting voices are simply awesome. Textures and other gfx not as spectacular as they could be but still fantastic. For the money that an average gaming industry company sells all the LATEST GARBAGE they call games, Dragon Age has certainly earned it money.

My gaming time did not exceed 70 hours ( almost double or tripple compared to other titles). My only complaint ( as the inevitable comparison to TWO WORLDS/OBLIVION) was that it was more or less of the same genre as the fantastic WITCHER. I prefer open worlds with unlimited exploration but that is another story. GREAT WORK from BIOWARE.

For the DLC part it seems that there are haters and there are followers. Maybe those who hate DLC should rephrase their extreme point of finding DLC a rip off. It is not the DLC that is a rip off. Many people, including bioware poeple, have explained it so far. It is rather what others in this thread have explained the ration of money / gaming hour spent on a dlc that is more of concern. Given the fact that in Greece a game that costs 60Euros gives more or less 70 hours of addictive game play then paying for 15Euros should give a lot more than smply one hour. Yes, i agree with you that these DLCs are a rip off. But if anyone feels that way, then you have played the game, completed the story, felt strongly satisfied with the purchase........ just delete if from your hard disk and go on to the next game. If you feel you are being ripped off your money then simply walk away.

Next DLC i read about on the forums will be more or less another 1 hoour of game play for another 15Euros. Take it or leave it, Personally i leave it.....

But great thanx to Bioware for this game.

[SkippyMcGee88]

WishFish123 wrote...

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

So, what option from the aforementioned would you prefer? (Alternatively, should you have another option in mind, post it!)

The only thing that i have problem with is presentation of this DLC inside game.

There is a guy standing at the camp site asking you to download DLC. It's just... lame.

Apart from that, generally speaking, i have nothing against aditional contents for games.
(As far as they leave enough developers for bugfixing)

Ya that is quite annoying...

I wouldn't be suprised if one DLC adds...

Ronald McDonald in Lothering selling McDonalds Internet Coupons...

Or...

The King in Ostargar selling Burger King DLC armor and spells...

Or...

Or graffiti spattered throughout the Alienage advertising whatever the next rushed game they are Publishing...

Or...

On one of the random map encounters we find some random dude wearing a football helmet, offering us to download a Madden '10 demo...

Long live EA... Ruining developers since '01

[ulisses78]

;D Nice one Skippy

People take so seriously everything, game, fun, money and his own opinion too.
If all the users here are spending some precious hours in this forum, it's because they are enjoying playing.
So Bioware done it this far.

Modifié par ulisses78, 23 novembre 2009 - 01:59 .

[WishFish123]

PzR Slim wrote...

Oh well, your loss. I don't think too many people are going to lose sleep over it. As others have said, theonly way the DLC model will disappear is if it becomes economically unviable. And until that happens then I'm afraid your just going to have to not like it and lump it. You can't expect a business that makes money from a particular way of doing business to drop that method because of a few people who are unhappy with it.

I don't think i am in a such minority in this matter.

PzR Slim wrote...

And posting on an internet forum is not going to get the attention of the developer. The ONLY thing they will look at is the money they make from DLC, once that drops below the cost of making the DLC then they will stop but only then. So don't blame the developer, blame those of us who are prepared to pay for DLC. You can hate me and rant away at me as much as you want, I will not be offended.

Well i am not here to force EA from integrating DLC inside games.
I am here to discouss DLC, as the topic name states.
I don't have a reasong to hate you, i only hate new greedy game publishing politics (DLC) and the passive way that it is accepted from the gamers, and i don't want to be on that passive side.
People will accept anything, i have very well thought that, and that doesn't mean that raising your voice is bad, especially on the forum and in this topic.

[PzR Slim]

[quote]WishFish123 wrote...

[quote]PzR Slim wrote...

Oh well, your loss. I don't think too many people are going to lose sleep over it. As others have said, theonly way the DLC model will disappear is if it becomes economically unviable. And until that happens then I'm afraid your just going to have to not like it and lump it. You can't expect a business that makes money from a particular way of doing business to drop that method because of a few people who are unhappy with it.
[/quote]

I don't think i am in a such minority in this matter. [/quote]

Well if that is the case, DLC will ultimately fail and you can claim your deserved victory!

[quote]WishFish123 wrote...
[quote]PzR Slim wrote...

And posting on an internet forum is not going to get the attention of the developer. The ONLY thing they will look at is the money they make from DLC, once that drops below the cost of making the DLC then they will stop but only then. So don't blame the developer, blame those of us who are prepared to pay for DLC. You can hate me and rant away at me as much as you want, I will not be offended.
[/quote]

Well i am not here to force EA from integrating DLC inside games.
I am here to discouss DLC, as the topic name states.
I don't have a reasong to hate you, i only hate new greedy game publishing politics (DLC) and the passive way that it is accepted from the gamers, and i don't want to be on that passive side. Once again this is your opinion, a lot of people don't share that opinion or view. It is you ropinion not fact. A lot of people find it totally acceptable to pay for DLC. Only when enough people find it unacceptable and it stops making game publishes money will it change.
People will accept anything, i have very well thought that, and that doesn't mean that raising your voice is bad, especially on the forum and in this topic.
[/quote][/quote]


 Yes people accept lots of things. My mother can't except that I would 'waste my life' playing computer games. Does her opinion make that true? Now that you have learned of her opinion is it going to stop you playing games?

Modifié par PzR Slim, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:18 .

[shawn-m]

Here’s the way I look at it:



Think of the base DO:A game as your standard Barbie doll. Barbie is just great all by herself with her flaming pink jumpsuit and tennis racket, but imagine the fun you could have with Barbie dressed in a new fishnet stocking, stiletto heeled outfit complete with a miniature semi-automatic .38! You can put Barbie on that STD superhighway but you gotta pay something extra to play the crack-hoe game.



Is a plastic middleclass crack-hoe analogous to The Warden’s Keep? Uh, well, sorry but you get the idea.



The mechanics behind Barbee’s development and the marketing of her separately-available accessories never cause anyone (aside from the possible exception of a penny-less preteen) to cry foul. Yet somehow folks see the same practice as being unethical when it's applied to video games?



Oh well, I have to admit I was pretty disgusted with myself for buying the first parts pack for Spore. I hoped it would somehow make that gutted, slap-ass game better . . .

[bjdbwea]

But what do you aim to accomplish? You've already gotten the answer from BioWare in this very forum: They don't care that you or I are unhappy. All that matters are the numbers, and so far they justify the way they've embarked upon.

And yes, that guy standing in the camp is a bad joke. But this is another thing where I don't believe for a second that the RPG experts from BioWare came up with that. Not that it would be a satisfying excuse.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[WishFish123]

PzR Slim wrote...

Well if that is the case, DLC will ultimately fail and you can claim your deserved victory!

For Battle!

PzR Slim wrote...

Yes people accept lots of things. My mother can't except that I would 'waste my life' playing computer games. Does her opinion make that true? Now that you have learned of her opinion is it going to stop you playing games?

Well no, thought it is true, when you mention it
Your mother opinion is not relevant for me, i am not selling her anything (except crack ofcourse) but EA is selling us this game, so we have right to say: hey this is not fair, don't do that to us any more.

[SheffSteel]

I've updated the blog (social.bioware.com/9460/blog/808/) with some more thoughts about gameplay-hours-per-dollar argument). Were there any other good arguments aired against DLC? I skimmed the first few pages but, you know, I only have so much time.

I'd also like to say (in case it wasn't mentioned) please don't assume that "don't buy it if you don't like it" is an unreasonable, fanboy, pro-DLC argument. It is in fact a very neutral argument in the context of a consumer/capitalist economy, and a position which is held by many people who have not bought premium DLC.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:37 .

[PzR Slim]

WishFish123 wrote...

PzR Slim wrote...

Well if that is the case, DLC will ultimately fail and you can claim your deserved victory!

For Battle!

PzR Slim wrote...

Yes people accept lots of things. My mother can't except that I would 'waste my life' playing computer games. Does her opinion make that true? Now that you have learned of her opinion is it going to stop you playing games?

Well no, thought it is true, when you mention it
Your mother opinion is not relevant for me, i am not selling her anything (except crack ofcourse) but EA is selling us this game, so we have right to say: hey this is not fair, don't do that to us any more.

I think you miss my point. I was suggesting just becasue your opinion differed to mine as my mothers does to yours that it is not necessarily true or to be believed. And please do not insult my mother again.

[WishFish123]

bjdbwea wrote...

But what do you aim to accomplish? You've already gotten the answer from BioWare in this very forum: They don't care that you or I are unhappy. All that matters are the numbers, and so far they justify the way they've embarked upon.

Link please.

bjdbwea wrote...
And yes, that guy standing in the camp is a bad joke. But this is another thing where I don't believe for a second that the RPG experts from BioWare came up with that. Not that it would be a satisfying excuse.

I agree.

[WishFish123]

PzR Slim wrote...

I think you miss my point. I was suggesting just becasue your opinion differed to mine as my mothers does to yours that it is not necessarily true or to be believed. And please do not insult my mother again.

No point in arguing about that. Ofcourse that i beleive that my opinion is true and yours is false, otherwise we woulnd't argue, dont't you think?

And one advice: don't put your mother in your funny examples if you are so sensitive about her. Sorry for that.

[Hardin4188]

 Stop being cheap no one is forcing you to spend $5 on dlc, but I'm sure you wont mind paying $5 for breakfast. I'd rather have dlc than expansion packs that cost half the game and come out months later.

[bjdbwea]

WishFish123 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

But what do you aim to accomplish? You've already gotten the answer from BioWare in this very forum: They don't care that you or I are unhappy. All that matters are the numbers, and so far they justify the way they've embarked upon.

Link please.

Uh, page 3 of this very thread? As well as several replies in some of the countless other DLC threads.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:49 .

[PzR Slim]

WishFish123 wrote...

PzR Slim wrote...

I think you miss my point. I was suggesting just becasue your opinion differed to mine as my mothers does to yours that it is not necessarily true or to be believed. And please do not insult my mother again.

No point in arguing about that. Ofcourse that i beleive that my opinion is true and yours is false, otherwise we woulnd't argue, dont't you think?

And one advice: don't put your mother in your funny examples if you are so sensitive about her. Sorry for that.

See you just don't get it. Nobody's opinions are true or false that's why they are opinions. Nobody can be wrong for stating an opinion, but they can be wrong for stating that opinion as fact. But until enough people have the same opinion as you and refuse to buy it then DLC will remain, that is the only fact in all of this