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[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Wulfram wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

I had hoped a murdered Leiliana would act differently than a romanced or friend shipped leiliana but I didn't notice any differences. Is this a problem with the coding or just the way it was supposed to be?

I'm under the impression this is supposed to happen

Whoa, now see I like that... Is that actually working in game?

[LobselVith8]

esper wrote...

Doroethea from Leliana's song is the Divine. Thus the Divine knows Leliana on a personal level.

I figured that this was the case, although I wonder what the implications are for people who romanced Leliana, as well as people who had pro-mage protagonists in Origins (via The Surana or Amell Warden who requested for the Circle of Magi to be given its independence). It's too bad there's no dialogue giving us more insight into this.

General User wrote...

Leliana is one of the most talented covert operatives in Thedas and a devout Andrastian. Where else would she end up?

Talented? I never got that impression from "Faith." Leliana's effectiveness as "Sister Nightingale" is almost as bad as Knight-Captain Cullen handwaving Anders' presence when Hawke warns him about the danger to the Kirkwall Chantry, with Anders standing right next to Hawke.

Wulfram wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

I had hoped a murdered Leiliana would act differently than a romanced or friend shipped leiliana but I didn't notice any differences. Is this a problem with the coding or just the way it was supposed to be?

I'm under the impression this is supposed to happen

Doesn't that show up if The Warden didn't recruit Leliana from Lothering?

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I figured that this was the case, although I wonder what the
implications are for people who romanced Leliana

Doesn't matter, if I cant use Leliana to bend the chantry to my will I'll just contact my buddy Bhelen / Harrowmont and tell them not to provide the chantry with Lyrium anymore. I did after all give them their throne and the Anvil of the Void back =D. inform Tevinter they can buy up the Market.. With them being age old allies of the dwarves... or inform Nevarra we can use it against Orlais.. Then apply pressure to the divine with her templar armies relying on the lyrium trade to have her apply pressure to Orlais to do my bidding.. MUAHAHAHA =D

Then I use Orlais's armies to war against the free marches.. and have Hawke rally them to the threat of Orlesian invasion and have them unify into one nation like Prussia did.. Have King Alistair support and lend troops to The Free Marches and bring about a close alliance between the two nations as a result.. Then after a while when the dust settles Ferelden and the Free Marches invade and conquer Nevarra - brining Nevarra into our new united Free Marches Kingdom.. Then finally turn on Orlais and conquer them... Not sure about that last part, still working out the bugs.. The plan is awesome though

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 21 novembre 2011 - 06:17 .

[HiroVoid]

Bhelen and Harrowmont don't really give a crap about you after they get the throne. They'll give you something fancy, but that's it. Hawke only has support in Kirkwall if you support the templars, and still doesn't have control over the free marches. It's also still unknown how well people would listen to Alistair since he's still new at being king.

[Realmzmaster]

Do you really think Bhelen or Harrowmont would stop the lyrium trade that brings money into the city? Once you put them on the throne and they give you an army that is it. The treaty does not obligate them to do anything else. They owe the Warden nothing.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Do you really think Bhelen or Harrowmont would stop the lyrium trade that brings money into the city? Once you put them on the throne and they give you an army that is it. The treaty does not obligate them to do anything else. They owe the Warden nothing.

Actually my current playthrough? Yeah. I put my brother on the throne cause I respected the way he played.  I saw that he would be the best for Orzammar, not weak like Trian would have been.  Sure, I'd want it myself, but Bhelen outplayed me and I'm a Warden now anyway.  But, in my thought at least that makes me have power An alliance of House Aeducan with Ferelden to control the lyrium trade together? Make a TEMPORARY stop to all lyrium trade to take down the Chantry and stop their restrictions on the lyrium trade opening it up to more profits later?  Bhelen would TOTALLY go for that.

As I've said before, the reason I love Bioware's writing with Behlen is you see that he is a great guy who wants to do the best for his people. He sees that Trian will contine to oppress them becasue its tradiiton.  He doesn't know his 2nd sibling would side with him on his ideas (if you would, it's assumed the nonplayer version would not have).  The only way he can take the throne and work for the betterment of the dwarven people is to be an underhanded sneaky ass and then hope the ancestors forgive him later.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 22 novembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I figured that this was the case, although I wonder what the implications are for people who romanced Leliana

Doesn't matter, if I cant use Leliana to bend the chantry to my will I'll just contact my buddy Bhelen / Harrowmont and tell them not to provide the chantry with Lyrium anymore. I did after all give them their throne and the Anvil of the Void back =D. inform Tevinter they can buy up the Market.. 

Since the templars rebelled against the Chantry - who are the ones who actually control the lyrium on the surface, which is a small portion of the actual lyrium that's mined by the dwarves - doesn't that mean the templars likely have no access to dwarven lyrium through legit means? Couldn't the Warden-Commander, the de facto Arl of Amaranthine, get access to his own lyrium from Kal'Hirol?

XxDeonxX wrote...

With them being age old allies of the dwarves... or inform Nevarra we can use it against Orlais.. Then apply pressure to the divine with her templar armies relying on the lyrium trade to have her apply pressure to Orlais to do my bidding.. MUAHAHAHA =D

I think the lack of a steady flow of Chantry lyrium would be a sufficient problem for the rebel templars, since it's addictive and withdrawal can be debilitating (as we see with the templar Irminric).

XxDeonxX wrote...

Then I use Orlais's armies to war against the free marches.. and have Hawke rally them to the threat of Orlesian invasion and have them unify into one nation like Prussia did.. Have King Alistair support and lend troops to The Free Marches and bring about a close alliance between the two nations as a result.. Then after a while when the dust settles Ferelden and the Free Marches invade and conquer Nevarra - brining Nevarra into our new united Free Marches Kingdom.. Then finally turn on Orlais and conquer them... Not sure about that last part, still working out the bugs.. The plan is awesome though

Your plan is missing an army of golems.

[EmperorSahlertz]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I figured that this was the case, although I wonder what the
implications are for people who romanced Leliana

Doesn't matter, if I cant use Leliana to bend the chantry to my will I'll just contact my buddy Bhelen / Harrowmont and tell them not to provide the chantry with Lyrium anymore. I did after all give them their throne and the Anvil of the Void back =D. inform Tevinter they can buy up the Market.. With them being age old allies of the dwarves... or inform Nevarra we can use it against Orlais.. Then apply pressure to the divine with her templar armies relying on the lyrium trade to have her apply pressure to Orlais to do my bidding.. MUAHAHAHA =D

Then I use Orlais's armies to war against the free marches.. and have Hawke rally them to the threat of Orlesian invasion and have them unify into one nation like Prussia did.. Have King Alistair support and lend troops to The Free Marches and bring about a close alliance between the two nations as a result.. Then after a while when the dust settles Ferelden and the Free Marches invade and conquer Nevarra - brining Nevarra into our new united Free Marches Kingdom.. Then finally turn on Orlais and conquer them... Not sure about that last part, still working out the bugs.. The plan is awesome though

Orlais is the mightiest human nation on Thedas, and could probably steamroll both the Free Marches and Ferelden, if it weren't for Nevarra keeping Orlais from commiting 100% of its forces to war against either. And how in the flying **** of the world do you expect Nevarra and Tevinter to be able to have any sort of trade relations with the Dwarves? It would have to go through Orlesian territory, which tehy msot certainly won't let happen. If you claim that it is going to be by sea, you are forgetting that Nevarra is hardly a naval nation, and that the Tevinters can't commit anymore of their navy because of the Qunari. So it would fall to the meagre ferelden navy to safeguard the trade route by sea, from the Orlesian navy.

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Orlais is the mightiest human nation on Thedas, and could probably steamroll both the Free Marches and Ferelden, if it weren't for Nevarra keeping Orlais from commiting 100% of its forces to war against either. And how in the flying **** of the world do you expect Nevarra and Tevinter to be able to have any sort of trade relations with the Dwarves? It would have to go through Orlesian territory, which tehy msot certainly won't let happen. If you claim that it is going to be by sea, you are forgetting that Nevarra is hardly a naval nation, and that the Tevinters can't commit anymore of their navy because of the Qunari. So it would fall to the meagre ferelden navy to safeguard the trade route by sea, from the Orlesian navy.

I'm simply amazed that you know the composition of the varied military factions of thedas. Oh wait you dont and your talking out of your ass again.

[Augustei]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I figured that this was the case, although I wonder what the
implications are for people who romanced Leliana

Doesn't matter, if I cant use Leliana to bend the chantry to my will I'll just contact my buddy Bhelen / Harrowmont and tell them not to provide the chantry with Lyrium anymore. I did after all give them their throne and the Anvil of the Void back =D. inform Tevinter they can buy up the Market.. With them being age old allies of the dwarves... or inform Nevarra we can use it against Orlais.. Then apply pressure to the divine with her templar armies relying on the lyrium trade to have her apply pressure to Orlais to do my bidding.. MUAHAHAHA =D

Then I use Orlais's armies to war against the free marches.. and have Hawke rally them to the threat of Orlesian invasion and have them unify into one nation like Prussia did.. Have King Alistair support and lend troops to The Free Marches and bring about a close alliance between the two nations as a result.. Then after a while when the dust settles Ferelden and the Free Marches invade and conquer Nevarra - brining Nevarra into our new united Free Marches Kingdom.. Then finally turn on Orlais and conquer them... Not sure about that last part, still working out the bugs.. The plan is awesome though

Orlais is the mightiest human nation on Thedas, and could probably steamroll both the Free Marches and Ferelden, if it weren't for Nevarra keeping Orlais from commiting 100% of its forces to war against either. And how in the flying **** of the world do you expect Nevarra and Tevinter to be able to have any sort of trade relations with the Dwarves? It would have to go through Orlesian territory, which tehy msot certainly won't let happen. If you claim that it is going to be by sea, you are forgetting that Nevarra is hardly a naval nation, and that the Tevinters can't commit anymore of their navy because of the Qunari. So it would fall to the meagre ferelden navy to safeguard the trade route by sea, from the Orlesian navy.

Yes lets see how the "mighty" orlesian army fairs when its both getting invaded from both borders while ferelden is kicking the crap out of them... which it will since amaranthine kind of has explosives now.. And my Warden will ensure they are distributed amongst the country.. Supply our ships with them.. sure we would not have worked out the details for cannons yet but we can fire explosive barrels from catapaults.. lets see how the mighty Orlesian navy fairs then.. Caeving out a supply line for Tevinter via the sea will be no issue

LobselVith8 wrote...
Your plan is missing an army of golems.

A few Orlesian casualties from me overusing their armies wont be to bad, dont want to bother our trusty dwarven allies when we can have Orlesians die instead =P

Realmzmaster wrote...
Do you really think Bhelen or Harrowmont would stop the lyrium trade
that brings money into the city? Once you put them on the throne and
they give you an army that is it. The treaty does not obligate them to
do anything else. They owe the Warden nothing.

No.. thats why I mentioned moving the market to Tevinter / Nevarra.. Tevinter primarily since they benefit from it with their templars and mages.. Nevarra mainly to use it as a means of putting Orlais in a place of desperation.

Hirovoid wrote...
Bhelen and Harrowmont don't really give a crap about you after they get
the throne. They'll give you something fancy, but that's it. Hawke
only has support in Kirkwall if you support the templars, and still
doesn't have control over the free marches. It's also still unknown how
well people would listen to Alistair since he's still new at being
king.

First sentance a complete assumtion, also irrelevent since Im still keeping the market up im just changing hands in who receives their lyrium.Hawke has support of the Free Marches nobility - They listen to him as demonstrated at the start of Act III and with the threat of a mass invasion of a superpower he can unite them.. Should the Templars for whatever reason try to stand against him (which ive already countered with another point) then another option although not necessary is to sway the people to his side by passing the templars as a corrupt Orlesian instution.. Which they are.

But with the Hero of Ferelden having the chantry at his mercy by changing the hands of the lyrium trade.. Then the Templars support can be ensured anyway

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 24 novembre 2011 - 06:30 .

[Augustei]

[/quote]
[quote] EmperorSahlertz wrote...
And how in the flying **** of the world do you expect Nevarra and
Tevinter to be able to have any sort of trade relations with the
Dwarves?[/quote]
Tevinter already does......
[quote]EmperorSahlertz wrote...
It would have to go through Orlesian territory
[/quote]
Deep roads or sea.. Explosives make things easy
[quote]EmperorSahlertz wrote...
If you claim that it is going to be by sea, you are forgetting that Nevarra is hardly a naval nation
[/quote]
You are forgetting you just made that up and info on their millitary hasn't been made clear yet, only that it conquered Orlesian territory and is a new rising power and a possible threat to Orlesian interests.
[quote]EmperorSahlertz wrote...
So it would fall to the meagre ferelden navy to safeguard the trade route by sea, from the Orlesian navy.
[/quote]
Ferelden Navy + Explosives= Not Meager =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 24 novembre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Deep roads that are filled with darkspawn?

[Huntress]

General User wrote...

Leliana is one of the most talented covert operatives in Thedas and a devout Andrastian. Where else would she end up?

On my warden's tent? lol! yes leliana knows the divine, I never finished that dlc but yea I got leliana out of the cell, so umm i  remember the "priest". I didn't like the dlc and after getting some mod's acting up I deleted the play lol.. never played it again, maybe one day..

[aries1001]

Just to be clear: Zenovia is a person you meet during the mage origin in DA: Origins. I haven't seen her in DA2, however. And where's the link to Laidlaw's and Gaider's comments about her?

[ThePhoenixKing]

Beyond the personal connection with the Divine that others have mentioned earlier and her own skills as a bard, I think there's another reason why Leliana has become Justina's top agent; namely she's a lot more open-minded and possesses greater critical thinking skills than the majority of Andastrians. Let's face it; her personal theology could be conceived of as heretical by more conservative members of the Chantry, she's compassionate and forgives nearly everyone (even blood mages like Jowan) and has seen more of the world than most of the Chantry. These things would make her much more reliable as an inquistor/cover agent, after all, with anyone else, there would be a tendancy either to toady to the Divine or approach things through the lens of hardline Andrastianism, skewing the information.