32 réponses à ce sujet

[SkittlesKat96]

I think at the moment they just want peace and no more bloodshed.

They are small in number and have already lost enough of their culture, history and strength. Not to mention they seem to be fairly divided from each other. There really just isn't any point in them attempting it.

That said, I think if the Chantry started a war with the Elves then the Elves would have to fight back.

Maybe in a future game Elves and Elf racism will be one of the bigger themes. Who knows.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 16 novembre 2011 - 09:21 .

[Vlad_Dracul]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Vlad_Dracul wrote...

These
arguments are still a little weak. Dalish now have problems with
Keepers, knowledge and simple numbers no matter what. Good time was
after Exalted March against Dales. Now they must hope that Chantry will
be destroyed by Mages/Qunari with heavy risk, that one from them will
enslave them all as in past.

I still think that there is only one option for them - attack.

Probably on some side, like in times of Andraste.

But isolation is only slower extermination, from what i saw in DAO/DA2.

So
basically the elves have a choice of slow extermination or quick
extermination? I think I'd pick the one that gives me a better chance of
not dying violently in battle.

Nope. It is more like choose between death or slavery. How they even can hope for new homeland without any fight? It is nonsence!

Ausstig wrote...

About the Roman legion, if you referring
to the massacre in the German forest then know this; it was a trap a one
off event brought about by the trust the Romans had in a native
warlord.

Look at the second Boer War as an example of how it
would go, it take a while, cost a bit of money but eventually the elves
would be run to ground, put in camps or exterminated out right.

Yes. Same traps used ukrainian resistance in war with soviet union. And exterminated british army in Afghanistan, massacre what only one injured man survived, is good example too. Machiavelli said, that as opressor you can make people loyal or dead, because living angry people will hate you forever.

General User wrote...

Guerrilla wars are often successful at defeating occupying armies not because they defeat the enemy militarily, but because they make the cost of the enemy army remaining so great that they just go home. 

But the Dalish don't have a homeland of their own, if they fought a war it would be within the borders of one or more of the shemlen nations.  In other words, the shemlen armies couldn't return to their own homelands because they would already be there.  So the humans would have no choice but to do whatever is necessary to put down the elves.  And, that's a battle the elves just can't win.

I named this topic "Why Elves didnt..." so i generally meant Dales right after war. Elves were still in their homeland. They just didnt stay, and i dunno why, when they could killing Orlesians and templars for generations to complete win.
And even now, clans can terrorize large lands with forests and wastelands. Especially in war after 9:37

[EmperorSahlertz]

As mentioned, you are forgetting that guerilla warfare only works when you are fighitng an invading army, not when you are fighitng on foreign soil.

If the Dalish kept ambushing convoys and traders (well, more than they already do), then when the problem got too big, the armies of the nations would simply move out to exterminate the Dalish. And the Dalish are not enough to ever survive a slugfest with a human nation.

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

As mentioned, you are forgetting that guerilla warfare only works when you are fighitng an invading army, not when you are fighitng on foreign soil.

If the Dalish kept ambushing convoys and traders (well, more than they already do), then when the problem got too big, the armies of the nations would simply move out to exterminate the Dalish. And the Dalish are not enough to ever survive a slugfest with a human nation.

Tell that to the partisans

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Being a slave is not the same thing as being an exile. The dalish aren't slaves (neither are the city elves for that matter) and they don't have the capability to stand up against human armies. They were defeated when they were a full fledged nation, how could they do better now they are just scattered tribes? If the elves tried to wage a full fledged war against humanity either now or back after the Dales fell, Orlais or the other nations would have finished them off, after destroying the Dales they certainly could have. Not every clan member is a battled hardened warrior eager for human blood, the clans still need to take care of children. Survival is preferable to extinction and many of the Dalish even seem to prefer their wandering life to actually settling down, so obviously most are content with their life so far.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 novembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[General User]

Vlad_Dracul wrote...

General User wrote...

Guerrilla wars are often successful at defeating occupying armies not because they defeat the enemy militarily, but because they make the cost of the enemy army remaining so great that they just go home. 

But the Dalish don't have a homeland of their own, if they fought a war it would be within the borders of one or more of the shemlen nations.  In other words, the shemlen armies couldn't return to their own homelands because they would already be there.  So the humans would have no choice but to do whatever is necessary to put down the elves.  And, that's a battle the elves just can't win.

I named this topic "Why Elves didnt..." so i generally meant Dales right after war. Elves were still in their homeland. They just didnt stay, and i dunno why, when they could killing Orlesians and templars for generations to complete win.
And even now, clans can terrorize large lands with forests and wastelands. Especially in war after 9:37

I don't think terrrorizing people and regions is something the Dalish even want to do, especially if doing so will mean their extermination.

As Ausstig noted, guerrilla wars are only successful when the opposing force has some sort of limits (be they moral or physical) put on them.  And how "restrained" the Orlesian chevaliers would have been in "pacifying" the Dales immediately following their fall is dubious at best.  Elves trying to continue the fight after the fall of the Dales would have been tantamount to national and racial suicide.

As for 9:37 Dragon, it's worth bearing in mind that the Dalish's main opponents in any war would not be the Chantry (who, after the Templar Mutiny, arguably couldn't do a heck of alot anyway) but the secular rulers who (as far as I'm aware) have yet to take sides in the Mage-Templar War.  For the Dalish to start a war now, when they are scattered and their enemies are already mobilizing for war anyway, would again be tantamount to national and racial suicide.

Modifié par General User, 18 novembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[Conway044]

Malanek999 wrote...

Is there any evidence that Dalish numbers are decreasing?

As for guerilla warfare, what exactly would the elves gain from it? It only hinders the enemy slowly while their own situation doesn't really improve. Also note that it is ony really effective when the terrain and political situation is suitable. So if they restrict themselves to a forest, why would the humans go into that forest? The majority of trade would not go through forests, timber would be extracted from the edge of the forest. I don't think the psychological mentality for guerilla warfare is present enough amongst enough dalish. On the whole thier leaders seem quite passive.

I killed two clans, other than that I can't remember anything being said in game.