The Sword Stalker in the Illfarn ruins says that Kalach-Cha is a unique title, translated to "Shard Bearer". Why wasn't the Bhaalspawn (or Irinicus or Saemon) given that title, considering that they ALSO were shard bearers?
There are 2 reasons that I can think of. Both of which don't satisfy me. First, BG2 came out long before NWN2, and shard-bearer was a title given to the Knight-Captain. It wasn't conceived of then. Works for an "out of universe" explanation, but not an in-game explanation. The second is that Zeeaire gave it to you because you bore a shard (or more) from the Sword of Gith. And yet, you're given that title BEFORE Zeeaire discovers a shard and realizes what it is.
Oh, one question about the Sword of Gith. Normal Silver Swords are Vorpal weapons, why isn't the greatest silver sword a vorpal weapon?
Kalach-Cha question (spoilers for this game and minor spoilers for BG2)
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 09:27
Kaldor Silverwand
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In BG2 someone had a shard embedded in their chest? I really don't remember that.
I thought that the githyanki came up with the name because they knew that the KC had a shard embedded in his/her body. Not the kind of generic term you would need for multiple people.
I thought that the githyanki came up with the name because they knew that the KC had a shard embedded in his/her body. Not the kind of generic term you would need for multiple people.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 09:48
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In BG2, you get given a shard which the Giths then want back (just played that not so long ago, it's right before Ch 5). Lots of people have ended up with silver sword shards, though (like Ammon Jerro in the first place); that does't qualify them for the title. I think in NWN2 they tell you that it's a special name they made up just for you, because you're even worse than other sword-thieves for having a piece of the sword actually in your body. I'm not sure that that happened in BG2 (could you be confusing this with the essence of Bhaal which Irenicus steals from you?).
I think it's not a vorpal weapon because they don't really use that property, and because they just never thought to add it. It doesn't really follow and book rules, I don't think.
I think it's not a vorpal weapon because they don't really use that property, and because they just never thought to add it. It doesn't really follow and book rules, I don't think.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 10:39
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From the conversation(s) you have with Zhjaeve, I understood the Githyanki named the KC "shard-bearer" because the KC had a shard of a silver sword in his/her possession - not because of the shard lodged in his/her body. It is not until the KC confronts Zeeaire that the Githyanki, and the KC, become aware of the shard within the KC's body.
The convo you have with Aldanon where he says "I've never heard of one being broken before. It's possible they are as interested in how it was broken, than in finding the one who stole it." (or something like that), suggests that "shard-bearer" is unique because a silver sword has never been broken before.
Zhjaeve tells the KC something like "they do not know how true that name is", or words to that effect. Meaning she is aware that "shard-bearer" is particularly relevant because of the embedded shard.
The convo you have with Aldanon where he says "I've never heard of one being broken before. It's possible they are as interested in how it was broken, than in finding the one who stole it." (or something like that), suggests that "shard-bearer" is unique because a silver sword has never been broken before.
Zhjaeve tells the KC something like "they do not know how true that name is", or words to that effect. Meaning she is aware that "shard-bearer" is particularly relevant because of the embedded shard.
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 10:42
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Aren't silver swords only vorpal against astral travellers?
As for the BG2 silver sword pieces - I get the impression those weren't shards, but rather seperated components (blade and hilt). A dwarven smith called Cromwell was able to recombine them for you.
http://www.gamebansh...mwellsforge.php
As for the BG2 silver sword pieces - I get the impression those weren't shards, but rather seperated components (blade and hilt). A dwarven smith called Cromwell was able to recombine them for you.
http://www.gamebansh...mwellsforge.php
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Posté 15 novembre 2011 - 10:56
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The BG2 sword pieces were not embedded in anyone. The truly funny thing is that despite silver swords being "incredibly rare", gith lose their swords often enough that there is a permanent cult called the Sword Stalkers whose job it is to get back silver swords. The BG2 sword was not the same one as NWN2 (BG2 is set less than 20 years before NWN2, so the KC was already born and had a shard).
iirc you earn extra ire and the title because your shard is part of the original Silver Sword. It's not just "a" silver sword, but The Silver Sword, used by Gith herself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Githyanki and
http://nwn2.wikia.co...r_Sword_of_Gith
iirc you earn extra ire and the title because your shard is part of the original Silver Sword. It's not just "a" silver sword, but The Silver Sword, used by Gith herself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Githyanki and
http://nwn2.wikia.co...r_Sword_of_Gith
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 12:58
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I believe that whilst "shard-bearer" could refer to anyone with a shard, "kalach-cha" does not meant "shard-bearer". Maybe it does if literally translated, but I seem to remember them making clear that it has connotations far beyond that. I had forgotten that it was THE Silver Sword, though.
It seems like the Gith are just really forgetful. Then again, people do lose things like their keys (slightly important) and wallets and phones (likewise) quite often.
As a side note, I recall you could also get a silver sword in Demon Stone, though IIRC that was kind of fair enough since you got it right off the fresh corpse of a Gith general.
It seems like the Gith are just really forgetful. Then again, people do lose things like their keys (slightly important) and wallets and phones (likewise) quite often.
As a side note, I recall you could also get a silver sword in Demon Stone, though IIRC that was kind of fair enough since you got it right off the fresh corpse of a Gith general.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 10:43
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G_Admiral_Thrawn wrote...
Oh, one question about the Sword of Gith. Normal Silver Swords are Vorpal weapons, why isn't the greatest silver sword a vorpal weapon?
Normal Silver Swords are, iirc, created by the Lich Queen, whereas the SSoG was forged by Zerthimon specifically for Gith. It can be construed from this that, while silver swords are based on certain attributes of the SSoG, the differences in their creation means they do not necessarily share all the attributes of the SSoG - and vice-versa.
