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#301
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ratzerman wrote...

I just want a happy ending for my Shep and her romance. After three games played, and hundreds of dollars spent, is that too much to ask?

I hope not...:unsure:

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Systemlord Baal wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I just want a happy ending for my Shep and her romance. After three games played, and hundreds of dollars spent, is that too much to ask?

I hope not...:unsure:


Same here...I really hope there will be a happy ending for my Shep and her romance. I love the game, but if there's not even the opportunity for a happy end, I would be very dissapointed.

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What never ceases to amuse me is how people act like ME2 and ME1 didn't play out like bad fanfiction at parts.

Ah BSN gotta love short term memory.

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1136342t54 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I just want a happy ending for my Shep and her romance. After three games played, and hundreds of dollars spent, is that too much to ask?


Maybe. Remember this you are fighting a Galactic war for the very survival of all life against a enemy that is nigh unstoppable. In the opening wave of the war billions have died. Many many people won't have happy endings

Why should the frontline soldiers be any better? Shepard and crew is fighting so that others can have happy endings. ME3 so far actually sounds like the dark Mass Effect that we were supposed to be getting in ME2.

In the end if Shepard and crew survives it would likely be a pyrrhic victory at best.


For crying out loud, it's a game,something you play for fun, not a real war!

And as I said before, if you wan, t a sucky bittersweet ending where poeple get killed left right and centre, then yeah, you should be able to get it by ****ing up enough, but for those of us who don't have a masochistic need to be edgy and feel miserable so we can act like we're better than the rest of the world who like normal happy endings, there should also be an ending that doesn't insist on kicking you in the bollocks as a parting gift.

The last thing I want to feel when I finish this game is anger at some stupid forced plot twist that makes any conclusion  a choice between the least annoying options, because no matter what I choose, I'll still be annoyed by it. It's like all the poeple complaining about getiing everyone through the suicide mission was unrealistic. So what? It's not like you can't choose to get most of your team killed quite easily, and if you wanted to do it randomly roll some dice to decide how many and which ones. A pyrrhic victory just for the sake of false drama is not good writing, and the vast majority of people don't enjoy the bummed out feeling they leave you with.

There is a reason the vast majority of fiction ends happily, it's because that's what the vast majority of poeple like, it's what we've evolved to like infact, and is a fundamental part of how we learn through teaching, it's hard wired into our neuro chemistry.

I seriously cannot comprehend why people are insisting everyone should have to feel unhappy at the end of a game series we've all invested an enourmous amount of time and emotion in.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 17 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .


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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Make Garrus a S/S romance, that's all I want.


This. <_< *crosses his arms*

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It´s very hard to understand  the concept of a design paper.

No wait it isn´t *lol* Sorry you will never get the humor if you haven´t worked with one. I have due to my profession, and it always changes. Thats the nature of the beast. (and it is a beast).

That doesn´t mean most of what you have read won´t be in the game, it may or not may be there. There is no telling on how old that design paper was. For all it´s worth it could have been a relict over one year old with A LOT stuff changed. Duh that happens. The guys just extracted it of a stage demo.

So, i say, we will see what comes out of it, despite the fact that reading and playing something are completly different things anyway.

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Total Biscuit wrote...

For crying out loud, it's a game,something you play for fun, not a real war!



WORD. this is a fact that most of these turds need to get into their heads.

Seriously.

:whistle:

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weedyfun wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

For crying out loud, it's a game,something you play for fun, not a real war!



WORD. this is a fact that most of these turds need to get into their heads.

Seriously.

:whistle:


Nah, it's like pro-wrasslin, that's real also. :whistle:

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Ryzaki wrote...

What never ceases to amuse me is how people act like ME2 and ME1 didn't play out like bad fanfiction at parts.

Ah BSN gotta love short term memory.


Ah Ryzaki, I don't think it's memory lapse, it's more hope that it won't happen. Don't be so gloom :) . After all, BW keeps saying they are listening to players feedback (though, mind you, I'm not sure what feedback they are actually considering after Dragon Age 2 - what gets discarded and what not). So, on this one, I wouldn't go after BSN - 'cause it seems to me that BSN is merely expressing their own fears thanks to actually good memory (strengthened with this stupid leak), hoping that BW will take it as valid feedback and do proper thing with plotlines and characters. Have some faith in BSN :) .

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Total Biscuit wrote...

For crying out loud, it's a game,something you play for fun, not a real war!

And as I said before, if you wan, t a sucky bittersweet ending where poeple get killed left right and centre, then yeah, you should be able to get it by ****ing up enough, but for those of us who don't have a masochistic need to be edgy and feel miserable so we can act like we're better than the rest of the world who like normal happy endings, there should also be an ending that doesn't insist on kicking you in the bollocks as a parting gift.

The last thing I want to feel when I finish this game is anger at some stupid forced plot twist that makes any conclusion  a choice between the least annoying options, because no matter what I choose, I'll still be annoyed by it. It's like all the poeple complaining about getiing everyone through the suicide mission was unrealistic. So what? It's not like you can't choose to get most of your team killed quite easily, and if you wanted to do it randomly roll some dice to decide how many and which ones. A pyrrhic victory just for the sake of false drama is not good writing, and the vast majority of people don't enjoy the bummed out feeling they leave you with.

There is a reason the vast majority of fiction ends happily, it's because that's what the vast majority of poeple like, it's what we've evolved to like infact, and is a fundamental part of how we learn through teaching, it's hard wired into our neuro chemistry.

I seriously cannot comprehend why people are insisting everyone should have to feel unhappy at the end of a game series we've all invested an enourmous amount of time and emotion in.


The problem with that is that my Shepard doesn't want to lose anyone - she's also not thick and is only going to make decisions that make sense to her at the time.  So if I was to play the suicide mission and deliberately choose the wrong people for certain jobs, then I remove any sense of helplessness if they die; so what's the point?  The impact is totally negated then.

I agree we play these things for fun - but part of the fun of ME is the escapism into a fantastical universe.  And the ME trilogy has been building up towards an epic war with the Reapers - they shouldn't sell short of that.  War is ugly and **** happens.  And yes, while we have to suspend disbelief left, right and centre, there has to be something in there that is believable, to anchor us into that universe.  They can't just throw believability entirely out the window because there are giant robots trying to kill us.  If there's nothing to relate to, it becomes very hard to escape.  For me that mainly comes down to how well written the characters, dialogue and relationships are - so that when things happen to them, I care - and there's also how well they stick with their own lore and story.  Its believable to me when the Reapers show up after great difficulty, but it wouldn't be if they just blinked into existence outside Earth because the writers just decided they could do that now.  I can suspend disbelief with the humanoid aliens, mass effect technology, etc., but not something so inconsistent with the lore when it's something so integral to the plot.

As for unhappy endings - I'm not sure why a happy ending is unhappy if there's some drama along the way.  If I lose someone along the way even though I did the best I could, I'm more likely going to be happy that they didn't die in vain.  My happy ending is going to feel a lot more genuine if my fight to get it actually did feel like an epic war with the Reapers.  If my happy ending was too easy to get, then I may not feel like I actually achieved anything.

Again, I can understand people are worried about a dramaless Virmire happening again, but they don't have to do it that way.   And there are so many different ways they could do it.

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Loot of memorable moments. That's my happy ending. Not some lame "they live long happy life" that I saw countless times.
Best part from ME series is when I was forced to leave one of squadmates to die. Best stuff ever.

It's like asian movies when hero strike evil dude over some girl. Then evil dude get up and he strike hero. Then girl kill itself but she fail. Then evil dude try to kill again hero but girl don't let him do that and she die. Then hero kill evil dude, he see dead girl and he kill himself.

Sound stupid ? Yeah. But when you see it first time - it's funny and unexpected. I want everything in this game. Happy moments, sad moments, tragic moments, funny moments, serious moments etc. Everything. It's like smelling flowers. You want to smell loot of them but to truly appreciate their smell at least once you need to smell old socks and sh**. Life is like that. It's interesting because something new always happen. Something unexpected. We know that some moments are good because we had bad ones.

Good luck Bioware.

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It's nice to know they are tweaking the game a bit to please their fans. I always enjoy Bioware's games. There are few problems (well, 'opinions' on certain things in their games) I had but nothing ground-breaking to stop me from playing it. I played Neverwinter Nights for acouple years, NWN2 for a couple years. In fact, I was playing NWN2 when I heard about ME1 and 2. I bought both of them and enjoyed every minute of it. Sadly, I never bought any DLC for ME1 and I don't feel like replaying ME1 for a third play-through but the first ever DLC I ever bought was ALLof the DLC for Mass Effect 2. I'm thinking 40$ of DLC which is just as much as I paid 40$ for ME1 and ME2 together. So it was 80$ well-spent. Yes, even the alternate outfits.. I didn't believe myself but I am that immersed into the series. Anyone know of the Editions coming out for ME3? I want to pre-order the best (most content, art, ect for it) ME3 has to offer. I wonder if I can pay for it now/pre-order now and if they add any new/better edition or DLC for launch if I can add that on.

I'm sorry for rambling on about everything but on topic -
Thanks for listening to us, and I bet Mass Effect will remain my favorite series.

Modifié par XEternalXDreamsX, 17 novembre 2011 - 08:38 .


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I'm in no way against sad plot twists, character deaths and believable well written tragedy, and I fully agree that ME2's suicide mission was too easy. All I want is to be able to get a similar triumphant ending, with no major drawbacks, or contrived forced negative concequences, and I'd appreciate it far more if I had to work my arse off to get it too, as a matter of fact.

What I don't want is the current 3 choice ending in the leaked script where every choice has a stupidly contrived major downside, so you're stuck picking the option you hate least, and none of them are a satisfying ending.

I'm not asking for rainbows and bunnies and everyone lived happily ever after here, just one ending where I don't have hate a huge part of it.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 17 novembre 2011 - 11:42 .


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For some reason I suspect there might be a delay soon.

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I'd be delighted to wait another year if it'll gt us some more endings.

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Total Biscuit wrote...

I'm in no way against sad plot twists, character deaths and believable well written tragedy, and I fully agree that ME2's suicide mission was too easy. All I want is to be able to get a similar triumphant ending, with no major drawbacks, or contrived forced negative concequences, and I'd appreciate it far more if I had to work my arse off to get it too, as a matter of fact.

What I don't want is the current 3 choice ending in the leaked script where every choice has a stupidly contrived major downside, so you're stuck picking the option you hate least, and none of them are a satisfying ending.

I'm not asking for rainbows and bunnies and everyone lived happily ever after here, just one ending where I don't have hate a huge part of it.


I'm with you there. They're just a bunch of "pick your poison" endings, except for mayber one, but it's still not what one would call a good ending. At least for Shepard.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 17 novembre 2011 - 11:45 .


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This change of Bioware in the history is for a fansboys of Ashley/Kaidan or others whit much fans.

sure read a Event in the game and for this Bioware need change the history for look happy the fanboys.

THE GAME IS THE ENDING OF THE TRILOGY,NEED WAYS AND OPTIONS DRAMATICS.

WHAT IS THE NEW IDEA OF BIOWARE?OHHHHH ALL SQUADMATES SURVIVED AND ENDING HAPPY?OR ONLY DIED THE CHARACTER WHIT ROL MINOR IMPORTANT?

THE GAME NEED DRAMATIC HISTORY AND NO A HISTORY WHIT HAPPY ENDING FOR THE FANBOYS OF CHARACTERS .

Modifié par Haron50, 17 novembre 2011 - 12:22 .


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Jessica Merizan wrote...

On Nov. 1st Casey tweeted that they were reviewing romance plots.
https://twitter.com/...418601369513985

Nov. 10-11th senior writers are still writing in game content.
https://twitter.com/...858546188795904
https://twitter.com/...192015297196033

It's called crunch for a reason.

As far as feedback goes, I can personally attest to the fact that forums/facebook/twitter are monitored and sentiment is reported (by me and other awesome people on our community team). Feedback is absolutely critical to game development, as I've said here, and you should continue giving feedback in a civil and constructive manner with good intentions. No one's going to take someone seriously that spews hate and argumentative behavior. We have really exemplary community members here and I want you to know that we are in fact listening.


[/i]I should go.
-Jess Image IPB


So does that mean the possibility of male alien love for gay and bisexual MShep? Because denying gay alien love to MShep when both genders get straight alien love and FShep gets gay love from Liara is really unfair and unbalanced and makes it seem like you're pandering to the "Garrus/Thane/other male alien isn't gay" homophobes.

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Then let's hope they make our choices from the previous games matter and not just replace them with the exact same scenario except there magically turned out to be another one of those one-of-a-kind things you destroyed.

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So now people are asking for the ending that suits them the best? WOW. No offense but you guys really sound like a bunch of spoiled brats lol Just give me a good story Bioware, that's all i'm asking for....i couldn't care less about who lives or dies as long as the plot is solid (no i haven't read the spoilers and i have no intention of doing so).

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Demonique wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

On Nov. 1st Casey tweeted that they were reviewing romance plots.
https://twitter.com/...418601369513985

Nov. 10-11th senior writers are still writing in game content.
https://twitter.com/...858546188795904
https://twitter.com/...192015297196033

It's called crunch for a reason.

As far as feedback goes, I can personally attest to the fact that forums/facebook/twitter are monitored and sentiment is reported (by me and other awesome people on our community team). Feedback is absolutely critical to game development, as I've said here, and you should continue giving feedback in a civil and constructive manner with good intentions. No one's going to take someone seriously that spews hate and argumentative behavior. We have really exemplary community members here and I want you to know that we are in fact listening.


[/i]I should go.
-Jess Image IPB


So does that mean the possibility of male alien love for gay and bisexual MShep? Because denying gay alien love to MShep when both genders get straight alien love and FShep gets gay love from Liara is really unfair and unbalanced and makes it seem like you're pandering to the "Garrus/Thane/other male alien isn't gay" homophobes.


Nice way of thinking. "If alien isn't gay then he is a homophobe" :P May I use it in my new article ? People will love it!

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

As far as feedback goes, I can personally attest to the fact that forums/facebook/twitter are monitored and sentiment is reported (by me and other awesome people on our community team). Feedback is absolutely critical to game development, as I've said here, and you should continue giving feedback in a civil and constructive manner with good intentions. No one's going to take someone seriously that spews hate and argumentative behavior. We have really exemplary community members here and I want you to know that we are in fact listening.


[/i]I should go.
-Jess Image IPB


Don't go yet please.

Mini-games, toggle -OFF. Thank you.

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Really random question, for anyone who's read the story leaks:

How bad did you feel after reading it? I mean, how spoiled did you feel after reading it? I have it open in one of my windows here, but am really battling myself right now as to whether or not I want to read it.

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I can answer despite not having read almost anything: I can tell you that I'd personally feel pretty bad if I read them... so you shouldn't read them. :P

But at the same time, mileage can and will vary. Buddy o' mine on here has read just about everything and feels fine, and he's presented me with a logical explanation for it.

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FlyinElk212 wrote...

Really random question, for anyone who's read the story leaks:

How bad did you feel after reading it? I mean, how spoiled did you feel after reading it? I have it open in one of my windows here, but am really battling myself right now as to whether or not I want to read it.


There some pretty major stuff in it. Including the end decision.