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[Sohe]

I swear they do this stuff on purpose! I still have a hard time believing that none of this was planned. but hey, im just going to trust bioware to do a good job with this game, and hope for the best

[C9316]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

CptData wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

...

On Nov. 1st Casey tweeted that they were reviewing romance plots.
https://twitter.com/...418601369513985

Nov. 10-11th senior writers are still writing in game content.
https://twitter.com/...858546188795904
https://twitter.com/...192015297196033

....

I should go.
-Jess

As I said - the community demands a lot, but it's not possible to change the very core of the story. That's "written in stone" until we want to wait another year until release.

So most changes -imo- will regard:

- romance plots
Balancing them so all of them are pleasing and fitting to the characters. Maybe they even will add more content than initially planned. I was one of the guys demanding for MORE romance stuff and even would pay for a DLC dedicated to expanded romance arcs.

- game content (main plot)
Lets say I think they're still working at the finale and maybe some details. Also dialogue can be optimized now. The "key points" of the story won't get changed that much but the paths between.

- game content (secondary plots)
Can be changed as long as they're just fulling the "galaxy readiness meter" without having direct impact on the main story. That stuff can be changed any time, even just weeks before release.

Blacklash93 wrote...

If Bioware changes anything in the
main story due to a few people whining how the story isn't panning out
exactly how they wanted it to... then I'm going to have to agree with
those I've been arguing with for a while that say Bioware has lost all
all artistic integrity.

I can deal with small stuff like romance
arcs and side-plots being subject to fan feedback, but anything
regarding the main plot should be soley Bioware's vision and nothing
else.

Indeed.

Agreed.

I don't ****ing care what people want for " their " story, or their plot concerned only by their agenda, I want the story of Bioware. That's it.

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I agree with this...

[didymos1120]

Darth Death wrote...

I don't have the leisure to live here on these forums like some people do.

Well, implied insult aside, it hardly requires "living here".  It was a big enough deal to make various gaming news sites (as the interview linked in the OP shows), plus there's a topic stickied right at the top of the forum about it.  In fact, the story wasn't even broken on this forum. The BSN was actually a bit late to the party.  In any case, my comment wasn't a judgment, but simply my subjective reaction to the fact that some posting here have managed to avoid hearing anything about it.

[onelifecrisis]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision, but ME2 was all the proof I needed that they're making it up as they go.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:24 .

[The Interloper]

I agree that in general terms, the plot probably won't deviate from the leaked script. But there's a lot of wriggle room in between. For instance, making the handling of the VS and Liara in ME2 go more smoothly wouldn't have taken a whole lot more then a bit of added dialogue. See how much difference that can make?

Besides, didn't the leaked script have a different version of the krogan princess mission and make no mention of thane's mission?

[didymos1120]

onelifecrisis wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision.

OK, hang on: what to you qualifies as "a vision" and how do you know if one is lacking or not?

[1136342t54_]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision.

OK, hang on: what to you qualifies as "a vision" and how do you know if one is lacking or not?

That question has doomed this thread to a dozen pages of arguing the definition of vision.

I hope your happy. 

[Heimdall]

It's possible something might be tweaked as a result of the reaction to the leak. It will be extremely minor at this point though.

I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to doubt that the leak was an earlier rather than final draft though.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:29 .

[onelifecrisis]

1136342t54 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision.

OK, hang on: what to you qualifies as "a vision" and how do you know if one is lacking or not?

That question has doomed this thread to a dozen pages of arguing the definition of vision.

I hope your happy. 

Not with me it hasn't. I know better than to get suckered into pointless semantic debates.

[1136342t54_]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to doubt that the leak was an earlier rather than the final draft though.

Because blah blah DA2 blah blah EA blah blah ME2 etcetera.

[Heimdall]

1136342t54 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to doubt that the leak was an earlier rather than the final draft though.

Because blah blah DA2 blah blah EA blah blah ME2 etcetera.

Haters gonna hate,then I guess? 

[DiebytheSword]

onelifecrisis wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision, but ME2 was all the proof I needed that they're making it up as they go.

It is one thing to have a story outline, quite another to have every detail set in steel so that you can't be Lucas'd by yourself later on.

[RolandX9]

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't ****ing care what people want for " their " story, or their plot concerned only by their agenda, I want the story of Bioware. That's it.

I get the sentiment here, I think, but...um...choice? Hello?

When I hear my Paragon Shepard sound like the worst sort of jerk Renegade, it pisses me off. I imagine a lot of Renegade players feel the same way about Shepard getting all Captain Picard on them. Not that I think this is too much of a problem yet, but if there's one critique that I partly agree with (disclaimer: based on admittedly old data that we know has been partly superseded by other stuff), it's the railroading on some of the major choices. I'm not all "arrgle blargle my choices don't matter" about ME3 (I'll save that stuff for DA2 for now), but I can understand the concern. I came to Mass Effect because of three things: a great universe with compelling, wonderfully written characters -- where I can make a difference. Yes, there are limits to how broad that difference can be, but I want to have the last edit, insofar as that's possible.

Mind you, things are looking pretty solid on that front. I'm not saying I don't like what I see (quite the contrary -- for the most part it looks freakin awesome!), just that some of the concerns have some legitimacy.

[CrutchCricket]

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Modifié par CrutchCricket, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:34 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Darth Death wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Boo! I like the script, me want no change.

Dear lord, I only thought the beta was leaked... So there's actually people who have knowledge on how ME3 ends? A scary thought...

You make me feel bad inside.

[Fiery Phoenix]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Boo! I like the script, me want no change.

Dear lord, I only thought the beta was leaked... So there's actually people who have knowledge on how ME3 ends? A scary thought...

You make me feel bad inside.

[1136342t54_]

Lord Aesir wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to doubt that the leak was an earlier rather than the final draft though.

Because blah blah DA2 blah blah EA blah blah ME2 etcetera.

Haters gonna hate,then I guess? 

To be honest what I just posted is close to all I see lately. It gets so repetative that I see little point in arguing about it half the time. When people have made up their mind about something like a game they will not change it until playing it.

Most if not all attempts from Bioware to reassure fans about anything regarding ME3 will be wasted on a small minority who heavily distrust Bioware and will not change their mind regarding it.

In effect you are right in the "Haters gonna hate." statement lol.

[onelifecrisis]

DiebytheSword wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision, but ME2 was all the proof I needed that they're making it up as they go.

It is one thing to have a story outline, quite another to have every detail set in steel so that you can't be Lucas'd by yourself later on.

I don't think they even had a story outline. Do you think Liara in ME1 was written with the plan to eventually make her the Shadow Broker? Do you think the Collectors were planned at all, despite the lack of even so much as a mention in ME1?

[The Interloper]

Lord Aesir wrote...

It's possible something might be tweaked as a result of the reaction to the leak. It will be extremely minor at this point though.

I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to doubt that the leak was an earlier rather than final draft though.

Many of ME2's problems could have been fixed with some tweaks to the lines and a few strategetically added bits of dialogue.

onelifecrisis wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision.

OK, hang on: what to you qualifies as "a vision" and how do you know if one is lacking or not?

That question has doomed this thread to a dozen pages of arguing the definition of vision.

I hope your happy. 

Not with me it hasn't. I know better than to get suckered into pointless semantic debates.

 "Here, have another quart of gasoline for your forum fire! And shame on you for making  such a fire. Fire is pointless. I'm above participating in forum fires."

I love BSN.

Modifié par The Interloper, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:43 .

[Kronner]

alex90c wrote...

Isn't this the same guy who said before DA2 was released that they were working on making the graphics "super hot"?

Yeeeaaaahhhhhhh, I think I'll take this with a bucket full of salt.

Same here.

[Jessica Merizan]

I guess what all this comes down to is a theme that I made at a panel I hosted at "GeekGirlCon". So many people have opinions but don't voice them, especially when it's a good one. Prior to working at BioWare, I was a forum lurker. Read stuff but never directly engaged. Thus my opinion and my voice was never heard. This is something I think needs to change in fandom if we want supportive communities. Make your voice heard. I should make a forum post about this...

To go back on topic (don't want to have to ban myself!) I would say that the dev team is not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[1136342t54_]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Not with me it hasn't. I know better than to get suckered into pointless semantic debates.

To be honest you basically put yourself open for that line of questioning. Your assumptions for saying Bioware is just making it up along the way is just that assumptions and some would like to see why you are so sure of that and debate it. Personally I could care less since you already made your decision on the matter and are unlikely to change it.

[Dominus]

If they did get some form of positive feedback out of the fiasco, more power to them I suppose. Yes... a large portion of that is far too late in development to possibly be changed. Despite the seemingly rabid nature these message boards tend to delve into, it's good to know the Doctors and a significant roster of the BioWare developers are still very open to feedback, regardless of whatever controversy may occur.

Not sure what else to add to that....besides "Haters gonna hate". Awww the haters. With your hatin'.

Prior to working at BioWare, I was a forum lurker. Read stuff but never directly engaged. Thus my opinion and my voice was never heard.

Both myself and one specific individual I can think of definitely fell into that world. I was still a fan and did all sorts of comedic shenanigans, but trying to voice an opinion in those vicious threads felt like an effort in futility. The fear subsided a bit over time...and here I am. o_o  

Modifié par DominusVita, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:51 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Thirded.  Stick with your vision, tell us your story!

I would agree with that if there was any indication that they actually had a vision.

OK, hang on: what to you qualifies as "a vision" and how do you know if one is lacking or not?

Something that isn't just mindless pandering to just a single part of the fanbase, and instead represents something that actually seems to be planned... Something that actually feels like it's ambitious, as one would expect of the finale of a trilogy that is suppose to have been planned for half a decade now.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[shepskisaac]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Make your voice heard.

I take it as a 'license to kill'