342 réponses à ce sujet

[Iakus]

SmokePants wrote...

I wouldn't trust the advice of those that don't have enough character to resist reading spoilers.

then I guess I should retract my statement that Bioware should resist bending to the wishes of rabid fans and haters both, as that advice is now untrustworthy 

[alperez]

The Interloper wrote...

More or less. ME does have some mandatory decisions, like joining the council/cerberus, and by extention always putting old hatreds behind the current crisis at certain moments. But so far I think the decisions that have been forced were fair ones. In the meantime we can determine the rest of shepard's character to a large degree.

The problem though is once you install a choice system in a game like mass effect where we as Shepard make a choice and live with the consequences of that choice, to then have the writers invalidate almost every choice you make in order to continue the plot setup they want, shows not just a lack of planning but a lack of a coherent storytelling procedure in the first place.

When almost every single decision we make leads to exactly the same outcome or when we're forced to make decisions that completely break character then someone somewhere isn't doing there job right imo.

But rather than even go to the trouble of rectifying these things in game, instead they use either other properties in the universe, comics, books etc to almost universally negate what should have been key choices we make in game, that's where i start to question the vision they have in creating the game itself.

There are numerous examples of this but at the risk of going into spoiler territory i won't go into them all except one.

The choice of counsellor Anderson or Udina, we make a choice and have genuine reasons why we do so, but rather than create the seperate paths instead the choice gets negated not in game but in a book which then becomes canon setting up the situation most people made the choice they did to avoid.

We're then told our input is important and we're being listened too, which all sounds very nice but if our input really was important then why do they continually negate every major choice we make in the game itself.

[Adugan]

The guy in the interview used the Churchill method. "We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the streets, and we will fight them in their homes!" type of thing. I wonder what the purpose of that was, he did it like 10 times during the interview.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Well since this topic is about feedback, I'd like to give mine (spoiler free of course)

I like how you guys drove the plot for the most part, but the Rachni and Geth things were......inconsistent with things previously seen. The Rachni Queen and mainstream Geth simply do not do things like that.

That said, I found the way Cerberus and the 3 "unorthodox" endings (I use that term because I can not be specific, you should probably be able to guess) to be fascinating and can't wait to see how those play out.

The ultimate ending, well, okay it doesn't sound right on paper, but I can think of a few ways that it can work in context, so I'm confident you guys have it right in any case.

[Yuqi]

Honestly, the only thing I would like to see changed; s; how the endings are more or less the same, with variences.

Sheep Dies
Sheep goes to Abattoir
Sheep falls of a truck
Sheep gets shaved, and shot.
Sheep geets tail docked, then falls of a cliff.
Sheep Runs off a cliff,and all the other sheep follow.
Sheep jumps in a truck, while the rest of his flock is put down.
Sheep goes to a new feild of grass..

Modifié par Yuqi, 16 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Ohei]

Honestly, I haven't read the leaks, and I don't plan to.

But please, PLEASE, whatever you do, don't give us another delay.

[GMagnum]

if da game get delay again me n my boi tommy h, anderson l, n jamal p bout 2 bust shots who w/ me

[Ohei]

GMagnum wrote...

if da game get delay again me n my boi tommy h, anderson l, n jamal p bout 2 bust shots who w/ me

im witchu tbh

[onelifecrisis]

GMagnum wrote...

if da game get delay again me n my boi tommy h, anderson l, n jamal p bout 2 bust shots who w/ me

That really is unintelligible mate... p bout 2 bust shots?

[GMagnum]

dam da army hella growin tbh

@my boi crisis me n my homies w/ my boi ohei n my boi cthulhu42 gon bust shots if da game get delayed dat wat u need 2 kno u down my homie

[The Interloper]

alperez wrote...

There are numerous examples of this but at the risk of going into spoiler territory i won't go into them all except one.

The choice of counsellor Anderson or Udina, we make a choice and have genuine reasons why we do so, but rather than create the seperate paths instead the choice gets negated not in game but in a book which then becomes canon setting up the situation most people made the choice they did to avoid.

We're then told our input is important and we're being listened too, which all sounds very nice but if our input really was important then why do they continually negate every major choice we make in the game itself.

 The Anderson thing irks me a bit but again I'm willing to accept a few instances of railroading. Point being that I do think that there is an amount of railroading BW can do and so far I don't think they have crossed the line.

As I haven't and will not read the leaked material, I can't comment on that. If it's all like Anderson/the ending of DA2 (which I don't actually know much about, just that characters go crazy) then yes, that would be quite a letdown. Do we know this for a fact though? I never know whether someone's read the leaked material or not (assuming the leaked material is even an accurate representation of the final product, which seems doubtful, especially where dialogue is concerned).

[onelifecrisis]

GMagnum wrote...

dam da army hella growin tbh

@my boi crisis me n my homies w/ my boi ohei n my boi cthulhu42 gon bust shots if da game get delayed dat wat u need 2 kno u down my homie

bust shots = drink?

[Dean_the_Young]

JeffZero wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
Well I'm flattered that I'm not in your truly crazy group, but I still disagree with what you're saying. Any fan who makes an at least coherent statement (positive or negative) about the game has an equal right to be heard IMO.

*shrugs* There's a difference between being heard and being listened-to. If someone were to pop in right now and proudly proclaim that the only way they would be remotely satisfied with the events of ME3 was to see both Garrus and Wrex tortured to death in the slowest and most agonizing, downright uncomfortable way possible, I wouldn't want BioWare not to read their oh-so-precious little comment but I am glad to get further confirmation that it would be summarily disregarded as not building a consensus on the general taste of fandom.

But... imagine the turmoil!

Captured by the Reapers, Shepard has to race against time (and through a Reaper) as the two of them are slowly re-made into a Husk: that particular Turian-Krogan combination, a process that goes on with the Reapers broadcasting their words in an effort to roil Shepard...

Sheaprd arrives, too late, as the Turian-Krogan combo of the two emerges, a boss fight in which Shepard must give mercy to two GAR friends...

[/kidding]

[GMagnum]

onelifecrisis wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

dam da army hella growin tbh

@my boi crisis me n my homies w/ my boi ohei n my boi cthulhu42 gon bust shots if da game get delayed dat wat u need 2 kno u down my homie

bust shots = drink?

dam nah bro it mean 2 grab dat gat n bus shots shootin dat gun dat mean we aint gon take dis anymore tbh da army growin

Modifié par GMagnum, 16 novembre 2011 - 02:20 .

[Medhia Nox]

The gaming industry is a strange field.

It has the potential of being an art form - but will never become one because "they will listen to the fans".

It has a consumer base that largely believes that entitlement comes before the purchasing of a product. This is not the norm. Yes, you can listen to reviews of a movie, book, song, or any other artistic endeavor - but never would you, the audiences of those things, ever feel entitled to anything during the creative process. Or, rather, the creators of these things in no way feel beholden to their audiences during the creative process.

This constant reminder that "We're listening." - it's funny, I almost admire Blizzards arrogance. I've read - several times from Blizzard representatives: "We make the game, quiet down children." ((I paraphrase of course))

If I do not like a movie, or a book, or a song - I do not watch or read the sequel - or I do not listen to that persons music.

But the gall of some people to think that they are entitled to be listened to during the creative process. It boggles the mind - and I hope the gaming industry nips this in the bud one day - or the medium will never become an actual art form.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 novembre 2011 - 02:38 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The gaming industry is a strange field.

It has the potential of being an art form - but will never become one because "they will listen to the fans".

It has a consumer base that largely believes that entitlement comes before the purchasing of a product. This is not the norm. Yes, you can listen to reviews of a movie, book, song, or any other artistic endeavor - but never would you, the audiences of those things, ever feel entitled to anything during the creative process. Or, rather, the creators of these things in no way feel beholden to their audiences during the creative process.

This constant reminder that "We're listening." - it's funny, I almost admire Blizzards arrogance. I've read - several times from Blizzard representatives: "We make the game, quiet down children." ((I paraphrase of course))

If I do not like a movie, or a book, or a song - I do not watch or read the sequel - or I do not listen to that persons music.

But the gall of some people to think that they are entitled to be listened to during the creative process. It boggles the mind - and I hope the gaming industry nips this in the bud one day - or the medium will never become an actual art form.

+1

Thank you for describing exactly how I feel about the video game industry. I think you managed to put it more eloquently than I ever could.

[Ofcoursenot]

Duuuuuuude... We know the story isn't going to be exactly like the leaks. Please, BW, don't delay the game MORE because a few dozen people dissed the goddamn rough draft...

[Someone With Mass]

If there are changes, I don't think they're major changes.

Also, don't delay the game more because of this, BioWare. Because what you already have is good. Very good.

If some people don't feel that they're satisfied with it, then that's too bad for them.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 16 novembre 2011 - 02:52 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh maker no.

Not another delay

No. Screw those who don't like the script if it'll lead to another delay.

[Atakuma]

Medhia Nox wrote...
But the gall of some people to think that they are entitled to be listened to during the creative process. It boggles the mind - and I hope the gaming industry nips this in the bud one day - or the medium will never become an actual art form.

Get over yourself. People have every right to give feedback whenever they damn well please.

Modifié par Atakuma, 16 novembre 2011 - 02:53 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Medhia Nox wrote...

But the gall of some people to think that they are entitled to be listened to during the creative process. It boggles the mind - and I hope the gaming industry nips this in the bud one day - or the medium will never become an actual art form.

The irony is you too are here posting your thoughts in the hopes of influencing things.  You don't want consumers influencing products, well, I'm afraid that is not reality.  Money talks, and that means people who spend it have a say, as we should.

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 16 novembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Atakuma - Feedback about what? Are you a developer? A writer? Ever told a story in your life a mass quantity of people found even remotely interesting?

Opinion are like buttholes - everyone has one and they all stink - and I hope the gaming industry stops listening. I would hate to have an author start writing a book based on what his/her pedantic, untalented fan base cried about - same with movies or any other form of art.

As for "getting over myself" - not likely - watch out for my high horse, you might step in his ****.

=====

@The_Crazy_Hand: You have every right to spend your money as you should - and, upon receiving and experiencing a poor product - you should use "word of mouth" (or the internet as the future has it) to inform all and sundry what you think.

But never should you have a say in what a creator does with his/her creation (nor I for that matter - in case you were wondering).

As for influencing anything - no, I don't. I was simply expressing my view about the nature of this creative medium vs. other forms - and why I think its consumer base will always keep it banal.