All this doom and gloom again?
God damn it, BSN, don't make spam Pinkie Pie everywhere just to cheer the damn place up.
Interview: Bioware taking feedback, may make changes after leak.
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#152
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:12
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doo iiiittttAdmiralCheez wrote...
All this doom and gloom again?
God damn it, BSN, don't make spam Pinkie Pie everywhere just to cheer the damn place up.
...I mean....
#153
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:13
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
All this doom and gloom again?
God damn it, BSN, don't make spam Pinkie Pie everywhere just to cheer the damn place up.
What's Pinkie Pie?
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:14
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You just had to ask, didn't you?!Ryzaki wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
All this doom and gloom again?
God damn it, BSN, don't make spam Pinkie Pie everywhere just to cheer the damn place up.
What's Pinkie Pie?
#155
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:15
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On the bright side this is a rare opportunity for bioware to respond to story feedback before the story is even released. Its a unique opportunity in my mind.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:15
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Medhia Nox wrote...
The gaming industry is a strange field.
It has the potential of being an art form - but will never become one because "they will listen to the fans".
It has a consumer base that largely believes that entitlement comes before the purchasing of a product. This is not the norm. Yes, you can listen to reviews of a movie, book, song, or any other artistic endeavor - but never would you, the audiences of those things, ever feel entitled to anything during the creative process. Or, rather, the creators of these things in no way feel beholden to their audiences during the creative process.
This constant reminder that "We're listening." - it's funny, I almost admire Blizzards arrogance. I've read - several times from Blizzard representatives: "We make the game, quiet down children." ((I paraphrase of course))
If I do not like a movie, or a book, or a song - I do not watch or read the sequel - or I do not listen to that persons music.
But the gall of some people to think that they are entitled to be listened to during the creative process. It boggles the mind - and I hope the gaming industry nips this in the bud one day - or the medium will never become an actual art form.
Well, we are the consumers... Are we not supposed to give feedback? At least constructive criticism.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:16
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@D3MON-SOVER3IGN: Have you played - from start to finished - the end product of ME 3? More importantly - have you paid for the end product?
Pre-Orders are a sticky claim - since they could be cancelled - competely invalidating the "I paid, and therefore my opinion... blah, de, blah, blah"
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Oh, and where's the person that calls me a kiss ass fanboi? I'm waiting.
Pre-Orders are a sticky claim - since they could be cancelled - competely invalidating the "I paid, and therefore my opinion... blah, de, blah, blah"
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Oh, and where's the person that calls me a kiss ass fanboi? I'm waiting.
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#158
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:19
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Ryzaki wrote...
What's Pinkie Pie?
Seriously, guys, stop being assbutts to each other.
#159
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:20
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Nashiktal wrote...
On the bright side this is a rare opportunity for bioware to respond to story feedback before the story is even released. Its a unique opportunity in my mind.
I certainly agree with this. As long as they are taking grains of salt with those opinions and use it to temper, not form, their product, this will indeed be an opportunity they didn't have with other titles.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:21
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@AdmiralCheez: I feel compelled to flee from this thread now... I wasn't aware there was something that would work against me like a cross does a vampire...
#161
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:21
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The problem is that you are comparing observed mediums with immersed ones. With observed mediums, the story must simply speak for itself, it will either be good or it won't, simple as that. It is understandable that consumer input would influence these little, if at all. Especially when you consider that the plot itself is the majority of the product, thus consumer input has obvious problems, not the least of which is the public knowing the story before it is even out.
Immersed mediums are much more complicated, and involve much more than a story (and can even function without one if needs be). They involve ideas that are intertwined with the hundreds of other aspects, an this can lead to unforeseen consequences that the beta testers can miss (for example: Beta testers are unlikely to complain about unskippable cutscenes as, they're at work to begin with, the consumer is at home, during their free time. Vastly different reactions occur, no?). Many things look good on paper, but fail in practice due to all the intertwining. (A timed JRPG might sound good if only cus it gives a sense of realism to the plot, but it would not likely be loved by the audience due to the obvious problems this would bring).
To make a long story short, you simply can not compare things as you have.
Immersed mediums are much more complicated, and involve much more than a story (and can even function without one if needs be). They involve ideas that are intertwined with the hundreds of other aspects, an this can lead to unforeseen consequences that the beta testers can miss (for example: Beta testers are unlikely to complain about unskippable cutscenes as, they're at work to begin with, the consumer is at home, during their free time. Vastly different reactions occur, no?). Many things look good on paper, but fail in practice due to all the intertwining. (A timed JRPG might sound good if only cus it gives a sense of realism to the plot, but it would not likely be loved by the audience due to the obvious problems this would bring).
To make a long story short, you simply can not compare things as you have.
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#162
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:23
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It's because someone killed the Wrex-with-a-top-hat avatar.AdmiralCheez wrote...
All this doom and gloom again?
God damn it, BSN, don't make spam Pinkie Pie everywhere just to cheer the damn place up.
#163
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:24
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He's not dead; he's just resting.Dean_the_Young wrote...
It's because someone killed the Wrex-with-a-top-hat avatar.
#164
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:25
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@The_Crazy_Hand: I disagree, but doing so (having a discussing about the disagreement) on the internet is about as relevant as screaming for help on the Titanic.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:26
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@D3MON-SOVER3IGN: Have you played - from start to finished - the end product of ME 3? More importantly - have you paid for the end product?
Pre-Orders are a sticky claim - since they could be cancelled - competely invalidating the "I paid, and therefore my opinion... blah, de, blah, blah"
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Oh, and where's the person that calls me a kiss ass fanboi? I'm waiting.
Thats not the point. Im not talking about ME3 itself . Im talking about your quotes. " It has a consumer base that largely believes that entitlement comes before the purchasing of a product. "
You also said " But the gall of some people to think that they are entitled to be listened to during the creative process. It boggles the mind. "
Consumers can give any kind of feedback they want during the creative process... Thats whe whole point. We are paying for the prodcuct so we can have entitlement to whatever we want since we are buying the product.
#166
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:26
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Eh, as long as you don't praise Arrival you won't ****** me off, LOL
#167
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:29
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I saw Cheez praising Arrival the other day. She's evil. The ponies are just her sheep clothing.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:32
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The combat was good, that's all I said, jeebus.onelifecrisis wrote...
I saw Cheez praising Arrival the other day. She's evil. The ponies are just her sheep clothing.
But I am quite evil sometimes.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:34
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...What's wrong with praising Arrival? It's perfectly fine. I've honestly had no issue with Mass Effect's writing because while it's obviously not perfection it's still a step or two above quite a number of other games I've played.
As for this article. I'm with most folks in that Bioware shouldn't delay the game because the leak. You guys know the story you want to write. Go ahead and write it. Don't be held back by us if that's what it takes.
As for this article. I'm with most folks in that Bioware shouldn't delay the game because the leak. You guys know the story you want to write. Go ahead and write it. Don't be held back by us if that's what it takes.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:35
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How can solo combat in a game based around a three-man squad possibly be "good"? Especially when you're an Adept, and you can't use any of your powers because you have nobody to drain shields for you?AdmiralCheez wrote...
The combat was good, that's all I said, jeebus.onelifecrisis wrote...
I saw Cheez praising Arrival the other day. She's evil. The ponies are just her sheep clothing.
But I am quite evil sometimes.
Sorry, I REALLY hate Arrival.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:36
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
The combat was good, that's all I said, jeebus.onelifecrisis wrote...
I saw Cheez praising Arrival the other day. She's evil. The ponies are just her sheep clothing.
But I am quite evil sometimes.
See! She's doing it again!!!
#172
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:37
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They've been done with the outlines of the script since before the release of ME2 as well. It'd just be a waste of time to delay it now.
If people read those leaked files, then they have only themselves to blame.
If people read those leaked files, then they have only themselves to blame.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:37
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We can't all be as informed as "Dictionary Man" but then again, if you're on these forums it seems chances are high that you hear something about the script leaking.didymos1120 wrote...
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Dear lord, I only thought the beta was leaked... So there's actually people who have knowledge on how ME3 ends? A scary thought...BatmanPWNS wrote...
Boo! I like the script, me want no change.
It amazes me that there are people still unaware of this.
#174
Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:40
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RiouHotaru wrote...
...What's wrong with praising Arrival? It's perfectly fine. I've honestly had no issue with Mass Effect's writing because while it's obviously not perfection it's still a step or two above quite a number of other games I've played.
I definitely agree that the story in the ME games is way better than most games. And that, for me, is half the problem. Most games I can play just for the gameplay and pay the story little mind, but you can't really do that with an ME game. The characters and dialogue and endless cutscenes pull me in... and then something like the Lazarus Project or Information Broker Liara comes along and b!tchslaps me back to reality.
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Posté 16 novembre 2011 - 03:40
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RiouHotaru wrote...
...What's wrong with praising Arrival? It's perfectly fine. I've honestly had no issue with Mass Effect's writing because while it's obviously not perfection it's still a step or two above quite a number of other games I've played.
Right, but I'm not a fanboy either, so naturally things like decisions that literally do nothing in a game where decision diversification is core to the gameplay, timing a mission that then proceeds to drag on and on and on, and outright derailing all of Shepard's diplomatic work throughout ME2 come across as poor quality to more objective folks like myself.
Ultimately, there are people who enjoy eating paint chips and banging their heads against the wall, but that does not make these things quality entertainment.
