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[Derahu]

I take just a 24 hour hiatus off of the forums and BW decides they may delay the game or change the entire story. Plz confirm if these are true or not? If it is delayed, I'm not bothered because when ME3 comes out I'll be in the heaviest part of my university semester so I won't have any extended periods of time to enjoy the game.

[Yuoaman]

I liked Arrival.

Sorry?

[Dean_the_Young]

Apology accepted.


Arrival was a good, very good, in the gameplay... but I'll always feel the story was undersold in that it relied on Indoctrinated enemies.

If the Batarians attacked during the second-part, and we were fighting off their attempts to stop the massacre to follow...

[CaptainZaysh]

That idea of yours was shockingly good, Dean. It would have been amazing to find myself playing out Terra Nova in reverse.

[Jessica Merizan]

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

It amazes me that there are people still unaware of this.

We can't all be as informed as "Dictionary Man" but then again, if you're on these forums it seems chances are high that you hear something about the script leaking.

What is with people taking that like I meant it as some sort of insult?  Let's try an analogy: if you walked across a heavily mined stretch of ground, with no knowledge of where the mines were or that they even existed, and somehow managed not to blow yourself to smithereens, that would be rather surprising.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 novembre 2011 - 03:51 .

[Yuoaman]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The place where dreams are made into deeply held beliefs?

[1136342t54_]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I saw Cheez praising Arrival the other day. She's evil. The ponies are just her sheep clothing.

The combat was good, that's all I said, jeebus.

But I am quite evil sometimes.

How can solo combat in a game based around a three-man squad possibly be "good"? Especially when you're an Adept, and you can't use any of your powers because you have nobody to drain shields for you?

Sorry, I REALLY hate Arrival.

To be honest It wasn't that difficult for me. A good SMG with warp or disruptor ammo, Heavy pistol with warp ammo or armor piercing and pretty much almost any Heavy weapon would be good enough to get through it with little problem.

[didymos1120]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

'Twas plucked from the paranoiac aether, much like half the stuff people come up with around here.

[Dean_the_Young]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That idea of yours was shockingly good, Dean. It would have been amazing to find myself playing out Terra Nova in reverse.

Giving credit to where credit is due, Saphra spawned that one, especially about how a sympathetic Batarian could make a great reference to it.


If it weren't for the awesomeness of the you-will-lose Artifact fight and its waves/survival challenge, I'd even suggest that some of the Alliance soldiers there remain non-indoctrinated to fight the Batarians... so it looks like even more like an Alliance operation.


Arrival would have made a much better lead-in to ME3 if it were the Batarians, not Cerberus, who were playing footsies with the Reapers.

[1136342t54_]

didymos1120 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

It amazes me that there are people still unaware of this.

We can't all be as informed as "Dictionary Man" but then again, if you're on these forums it seems chances are high that you hear something about the script leaking.

What is with people taking that like I meant it as some sort of insult?  Let's try and analogy: if you walked across a heavily mined stretch of ground, with no knowledge of where the mines were or that they even existed, and somehow managed not to blow yourself to smithereens, that would be rather surprising.

The thing is its likely the people who just found out that the story leaks existed are the ones who haven't been on BSN in the last week or so. Its not that difficult to believe and also I don't think jreezy took your post as a insult or at least I'm reading it wrong.

[RolandX9]

Sylvianus wrote...

RolandX9 wrote...

I came to Mass Effect because of three things: a great universe with compelling, wonderfully written characters -- where I can make a difference. Yes, there are limits to how broad that difference can be, but I want to have the last edit, insofar as that's possible.

Mind you, things are looking pretty solid on that front. I'm not saying I don't like what I see (quite the contrary -- for the most part it looks freakin awesome!), just that some of the concerns have some legitimacy.

If you are worried about choices, it's a good thing, we share the same thoughts. 

That's not what I am talking about. I saw many people who asked to change the main plot, because they simply don't like the main plot. A story is good or not, you like it or not. But it must remains the vision of the creator, what he wanted to write.  The races, the factions, etc etc. When I saw that Bioware feared to show the Quarians in Mass effect 3, while they wanted to, because some talimancers didn't want that, it made me mad.

The only things I can't agree with are retcon, because the creator doesn't respect his own creation, that's it.

A story can't be decided by fanboys, haters, or the bsn. First it would be worse, and it isn't interesting at all  It's the better way to fail for Bioware.

When you see the level of the debates on the bsn, do you really want that Bioware follows their demands for the main plot ? Hell, no. But if people ask for more choices, yes, no problem.

Okay, I see where you're coming from, and I'm pretty sure we mostly agree at this point. It's awesome that Shepard can change the fates of entire species, but when you're talking about vast alien machine-gods and cycles of extinction going back millions of years, even the most awesome individual only counts for so much. That great universe exists partly because of those compelling characters -- and they just wouldn't be compelling if they weren't up to their own stuff. So yeah.

That said, Bioware was bought by one of the biggest gaming companies in the business, and one with...shall we say, a mixed history when it comes to respecting its fans and franchises. Between EA history, the DA2 debacle (yes I played it, yes I was a DA fan before that, no I don't think it was the worst thing evah, but let's be honest, the game was hideously rushed and it just wasn't up to Bioware standards), and the inclusion of multiplayer, there are a lot of folks who are worried that EA is going to "streamline" the story for the sake of a continuing franchise.

Ironically, I was much more in that camp before reading the spoilers I've read. Since this is a spoiler-free thread, I'll just say I was impressed and heartened. And yes, I totally get how spoilers can break a creator's heart even if the response is overwhelmingly positive (which this was not). You want your creation revealed in all its proper artistic glory the way you intended it, not piecemeal via hackers. What can I say, I love Mass Effect, and I'm weak.  Mostly, I have a feeling that what we're seeing is people who don't get that an outline, especially an informal one written by creative people who are punchy and overworked, can seem disjointed and absurd when presented out of context (and order). While there are a few bits where I'll be genuinely annoyed if they do X (frack it, I killed/saved/won/ditched X fair and square, and you stick in an X-clone/mod/workaround), for the most part I'm really excited.

[DiebytheSword]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The idea that story changes being made due to BSN feedback and percieved neccesary changes to the script during crunch time because of the leak has spawned irrational fear in the user base that Bioware will delay the game again past the March release.

I really feel for you guys sometimes.  The gaming community as a whole is unforgiving.

[CARL_DF90]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The idea that story changes being made due to BSN feedback and percieved neccesary changes to the script during crunch time because of the leak has spawned irrational fear in the user base that Bioware will delay the game again past the March release.

I really feel for you guys sometimes.  The gaming community as a whole is unforgiving.

Unforgiving, and mildly irrational at times.

[Sgt Stryker]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The idea that story changes being made due to BSN feedback and percieved neccesary changes to the script during crunch time because of the leak has spawned irrational fear in the user base that Bioware will delay the game again past the March release.

I really feel for you guys sometimes.  The gaming community as a whole is unforgiving.

I believe sensationalist headlines on gaming news sites are also contributing to this rhetoric.

[Fiery Phoenix]

There was something else about Arrival that was damn good. And it's not the gameplay...

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 16 novembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[shepskisaac]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The idea that story changes being made due to BSN feedback and percieved neccesary changes to the script during crunch time because of the leak has spawned irrational fear in the user base that Bioware will delay the game again past the March release.

I really feel for you guys sometimes.  The gaming community as a whole is unforgiving.

This and the fact many people believe Half-Life 2 was delayed because of the leak. Which is not true, the leak showed perfectly the game would've been delayed anyway looking at the state it was when it leaked. But this 'Valve delayed because of leak" thing caught on and many people think it shows a precedence.

[Thargorichiban]

IsaacShep wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The idea that story changes being made due to BSN feedback and percieved neccesary changes to the script during crunch time because of the leak has spawned irrational fear in the user base that Bioware will delay the game again past the March release.

I really feel for you guys sometimes.  The gaming community as a whole is unforgiving.

This and the fact many people believe Half-Life 2 was delayed because of the leak. Which is not true, the leak showed perfectly the game would've been delayed anyway looking at the state it was when it leaked. But this 'Valve delayed because of leak" thing caught on and many people think it shows a precedence.

It could also be due to the fact that the official date has already been pushed back once (originally supposed to be out this December) so with that in the back of people's minds they can see it going back again, especially if there has to be any sort of major retooling.

[Iakus]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

There was something else about Arrival that was damn good. And it's not the gameplay...

It was the epicness rather than the awesomeness

[Fiery Phoenix]

iakus wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

There was something else about Arrival that was damn good. And it's not the gameplay...

It was the epicness rather than the awesomeness

Of course. It also had some of the best pieces of soundtrack in the series.

[Mr.House]

iakus wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

There was something else about Arrival that was damn good. And it's not the gameplay...

It was the epicness rather than the awesomeness

Arrival was not epic at all. It was stale and boring.

[Sgt Stryker]

iakus wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

There was something else about Arrival that was damn good. And it's not the gameplay...

It was the epicness rather than the awesomeness

The music and pre-rendered cutscenes were top-notch, and the solo gunplay was unique.

[viggorrah]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Someone please tell me where this game being delayed rhetoric is coming from?

The idea that story changes being made due to BSN feedback and percieved neccesary changes to the script during crunch time because of the leak has spawned irrational fear in the user base that Bioware will delay the game again past the March release.

I really feel for you guys sometimes.  The gaming community as a whole is unforgiving.

Unforgiving, and mildly irrational at times.

Mildly irrational? You didn't see the beta leak thread on NeoGAF, did you? <_<

Modifié par viggorrah, 16 novembre 2011 - 05:06 .

[Someone With Mass]

Mr.House wrote...
Arrival was not epic at all. It was stale and boring.

Sounds like the perfect match, then.