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[Merilsell]

Thanks for letting me know with this thread. I just gave my vote to Skyrim.

DA2 best RPG? Lulz.

[Aaleel]

Dragon Age 2 being on there and the Witcher 2 being absent is an absolute joke.

I voted for Skyrim though, this game is just awesome. Jumped right into my top 5 RPGs ever.

[Il Divo]

mrcrusty wrote...

Depends on who you ask. The original was never marketed or intended to be an RPG AFAIR, it just happened to share certain design principles that good RPGs have (freedom of approach, consequences to choices, etc).

As for Dragon Age 2 nominated for RPG of the Year... meh. Each category has four nominees and you tell me what high profile, AAA, console centric RPGs came out this year? Games like W2 and DE: HR already bend the mechanical limits of the genre, and W2 isn't on consoles (yet). So, what else was there? Slow year for RPGs.

Though I would've loved for them to have some balls and put in some of the EA Sports games for RPG of the year. Those Sports games in Career Mode and stuff are basically Action RPGs that just happen to be about Sports.

I definitely remember hearing Warren Spector say in an interview that he considered Deus Ex an RPG. Obviously not going to settle the debate on what is an RPG, but I think, for our purposes, it tells us that it was intended as one, regardless of how we all view the final product.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I'll just say "lol" and leave it at that.

That's one more thing in life I won't take seriously.

[MassFrost]

I don't think anything is a contender with Skyrim in that category, but the fact that DA2 got nominated and TW2 didn't is just absolutely laughable.

[billy the squid]

Spike haven't a clue most of the time, Witcher 2 not being in there is daft. I don't know if it would have beaten out Skyrim, but I think it would have stood the best chance of at least making a dent in the Skyrim juggernaut. DA2 not a chance, whilst I also think it's strange that Deus Ex is in there as well.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 novembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[Zjarcal]

mrcrusty wrote...
Though I would've loved for them to have some balls and put in some of the EA Sports games for RPG of the year. Those Sports games in Career Mode and stuff are basically Action RPGs that just happen to be about Sports.

Heh, that reminds me of how engrossed I became with the manager mode of Fifa 07 and how I stuck with the entire 15 years of career mode just to see one player I grabbed from obscurity during the early years finally reach golden rating (which was a major feat considering he started really low and how no huge projections).

As far as the stats and character (player) growth go, yeah, they're certainly on par with many action rpgs.

Though that's not what I personally look for in an RPG... but that's a different story. 

EDIT: On topic... everyone will think that the games they like not being listed for a nomination is "strange and wrong", and that the games they hate are listed is an "outrage". 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 novembre 2011 - 03:30 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

EDIT: On topic... everyone will think that the games they like not being listed for a nomination is "strange and wrong", and that the games they hate are listed is an "outrage". 

When they fail to mention an RPG that did something that no other RPG this year did (choices mattering), barring its positive reception, then it's not a question of subjective opinion. It's simply stupidity.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 novembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[csfteeeer]

Zjarcal wrote...

EDIT: On topic... everyone will think
that the games they like not being listed for a nomination is "strange
and wrong", and that the games they hate are listed is an "outrage". [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

oh come on....

Even then, it still doesn't make sense.

Let's assume for a Moment that i like DA2 and don't like TW2, i still wouldn't see this as possible.
Why?
Well
if Geoff Keightly(however the **** you spell that) isn't lying(and i
don't really see any reason as to why he would), The Nominees are
Selected by Profesional Critics.

So.... How does it makes sense
that a Game that Received a Much better critical reception than another
one gets to be nominated and a game that Received a Much better Critical
Reception(and did things RPGs haven't done in a Good while now) does not?

And this isn't just now, it has been happening for a Time now.
Like
i said in My previous Comment, TW1 didn't get nominated either, and
instead games like Eternal Sonata were, while eternal Sonata was a Game
with a Rather Mixed Critical Reception(it has 73 on Metacritic... a
73.... are they seriously nominating Games with that little Acclaim?
While TW1 has 81, or 86 if you count the Enhanced Edition, it's still
not outstanding, but it would have still fitted better than ES)

No, This is just idiocy, or Fanboism

I've said it previously, i'll say it again, but they just Hate PC gaming.


EDIT: oh, and heres another Example of their BRILLIANCE, they did not Nominated Battefield 3 for Best Graphics.
.....
i want everybody to Process that.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 17 novembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Warheadz]

Why do you people give a **** about who got nominated and for what? I don't understand. Just play the games you like.

Besides, we gamers spend WAY too much time hating on things that others like but we don't.

[MerinTB]

Sharingan Master wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

Why do you people give a **** about who got nominated and for what? I don't understand. Just play the games you like.

Besides, we gamers spend WAY too much time hating on things that others like but we don't.

^

Why do either of you care enough about people caring about awards shows to post about it?

People like seeing stuff they like get praise.  When someone thinks something is the best of it's kind they feel satisfaction to see others agreeing with them.

Outside of that, when games are "award-winning" then the makers of said games are given more money, more opportunities, etc., due to the prestige.  How much a VGA award helps game developers maybe be litt or a lot, but DA2 even being nominated gives BioWare one more reason to feel "they are on the right track" and some people who DON'T like that track may well be disheartened.

I think you both know this, and both personally just don't share those feelings / concerns.  Whatever.  Why does it matter to you that awards are actually somewhat important to other people?  Or are you just trolling?  If you were seriously wondering, there're some potential answers for you.

[jlb524]

xenoprobe wrote...
Nominations don't mean sh!t. Last year, Yvonne Strahovski got nominated for best performance for her stint in ME2, over industry veterans like Jennifer Hale, and Courtenay Taylor. No disrespect intended to Yvonne, but she had no business even being in the category.

It's all about online bragging rights.

"My fave game/character/VA is better than your fave game/character/VA and thus I'm better looking than you!"

[slimgrin]

I really think they didn't put TW2 in RPG category because it wasn't a multi-platform RPG. It's stupid, but in a way it makes sense, I guess. If TW2 actually won, most people would just be scratching their heads cause most people play on console.

[MerinTB]

slimgrin wrote...
I really think they didn't put TW2 in RPG category because it wasn't a multi-platform RPG. It's stupid, but in a way it makes sense, I guess. If TW2 actually won, most people would just be scratching their heads cause most people play on console.

They might do something weird like nominate it next year (if the other RPGs of next year aren't numerous enough) once it's released on the 360.

And, for the record, I've not finished TW1, haven't touched TW2, and I think TW2 should have been on that list.  Especially over DA2.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

EDIT: On topic... everyone will think that the games they like not being listed for a nomination is "strange and wrong", and that the games they hate are listed is an "outrage". 

When they fail to mention an RPG that did something that no other RPG this year did (choices mattering), barring its positive reviews, then it's not a question of subjective opinion. It's simply stupidity.

Yes KoP, it always comes down to stupidty for you.

Look, I'm not even saying that I don't think TW2 should've been nominated, because I personally would've nominated it (you know that I like the game). I'm poking fun at the "outrage" most people feel, something that happens when ANY list of nominations is announced due to what I said (similar situation when those "best games ever" lists are made, everyone goes up in arms to see their favorite game missing from the list and their most hated in it).

Choices mattering (which is indeed a matter that isn't up for debate, it's a fact) doesn't instantly make it a better RPG in the eyes of everyone. If the people in charge of making that list enjoyed the other four games more (for WHATEVER reason), what are they supposed to do, bump one off in favor of TW2? If you ask me which is my RPG of the year (from the only two I played... ), as much as I like TW2 and appreciate many of the things it does, I'd still pick DA2, because it satisfied my needs much better and it also did many other things better in my eyes. Would I be stupid for bumping TW2 off that spot in favor of the game I enjoyed more? No. It's the same with those nominations.

I have friends who think TW2 is garbage and they would never nominate it for anything with the word "best" in it. They are not stupid, they just have a different opinion.

It's not a case of stupidty, it's a case of different opinions and appreciating different aspects over others.

csfteeeer wrote...

... something...

First of all you are a fervent DA2 hater, so of course you're going to cry "IDIOCY" or "FANBOISM". Second, nominations and awards are based on the criteria of the people making those nominations, not the GENERAL critical reception.

jlb524 wrote...

It's all about online bragging rights.

"My fave game/character/VA is better than your fave game/character/VA and thus I'm better looking than you!"

Pretty much.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 novembre 2011 - 05:32 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Pretty sure that they went by overall sales for the nominees.

[Costin_Razvan]

They didn't pick DA2 because it was better Zjarcal. They picked it because it was on a console.
The VGAs are biased for consoles.

Here's a ****ing fact, as a reviewer you need to be objective, and there is nothing no reviewer worth his spit out there can say that DA2 is better then TW2, and here's a shocker, NONE OF THE MAJOR REVIEWERS did!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 novembre 2011 - 05:41 .

[jlb524]

It's not possible for any human being to be purely objective...even reviewers.

[slimgrin]

I don't take the VGA's seriously, but the bigger problem here is they have the categories muddled up. And awards mean a lot to the studios due to the notoriety they would get. But then again it's Spike...meh.

Who cares..

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 novembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Zjarcal]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

They didn't pick DA2 because it was better Zjarcal. They picked it because it was on a console.
The VGAs are biased for consoles.

Here's a ****ing fact, as a reviewer you need to be objective, and there is nothing no reviewer worth his spit out there can say that DA2 is better then TW2, and here's a shocker, NONE OF THE MAJOR REVIEWERS did!

You realize that I don't care why they picked it right? I don't care for the VGA awards because just as you, I also find myself scratching my head at many of the nominations. I'm just not going to make a big fuss about it because imo, it's irrelevant what they pick.

Also, off the top of my head, both PC Gamer and the Escapist rated TW2 lower. BEFORE you say that they were paid off or that they are idiots, that instantly proves your claim that none of the major reviewers rated it lower, wrong. Unless you don't consider them major reviewers...

At any rate, I'm not looking for a long winded argument here. I said that nomination lists will always carry a subsequent outcry of the people who feel the nominations were "dead wrong", which is clearly the case right now.

jlb524 wrote...

It's not possible for any human being to be purely objective...even reviewers.

Also this.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 novembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[MerinTB]

slimgrin wrote...
Who cares.

The game industry.  As a whole.