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[Sylvianus]

I breathe. I didn't see the " . " before 65 million.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 novembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[naughty99]

MerinTB wrote...

Skyrim - (X360 + PS3 + PC) @ 2.4 million  3.4 million in 48 hours excluding PC digital downloads

[Jonp382]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

The point is it was not a great year for RPGs

Any year where you get one good RPG is a good year for RPGs.

[DownyTif]

Jonp382 wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

The point is it was not a great year for RPGs

Any year where you get one good RPG is a good year for RPGs.

This year, we got DA2 (I didn't like it, but it's still an RPG), The Witcher 2 (I loved it), Skyrim (I'm currently loving it), and Deus Ex (haven't tried), to name some. That's a lot of playing hours!

But yeah, DA2 doesn't deserve the nomination.

[naughty99]

Although I was a big fan of the first Witcher game and pre-ordered about six months in advance, I had a lot of difficulty with the controls feeling unresponsive and stopped playing Witcher 2 after about 15 hours or so. In contrast, I logged around 200 hours with DA2.

I suppose some people were upset with changes in DA2 compared to DAO; however, I had a chance to play the DA2 demo at comic-con in July 2010, so the final product was pretty similar to what I was already expecting.

I will try Witcher 2 again next year some time, perhaps at a lower than native resolution (the game ran like a slideshow even with everything on the lowest possible settings). I'm also hoping there will be some mods to remove the plentiful invisible barriers.

Modifié par naughty99, 18 novembre 2011 - 09:47 .

[billy the squid]

naughty99 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Skyrim - (X360 + PS3 + PC) @ 2.4 million  3.4 million in 48 hours excluding PC digital downloads

TW2, from the company's last report shifted 900,000 I think that was on digital, retail is somewhat more difficult to determine and I don't believe was included. Not bad for CDPR's second game only on the PC, interesting to see if it a similar following on the Xbox 360 once it is released.

Although , I'm not suprised Skyrim shifted that many, although I am at the speed which it did so.

[Morroian]

Nope Dot Avi wrote...

DX3 RPG elements are basically Mass Effect RPG elements with a better dialogue system, deeper character build options, and more interaction with non-hostile things. So if you consider Mass Effect to be an RPG, you'd probably consider Deus Ex to be an RPG. If not, probably not.

I consider ME1 an rpg, ME2 an rpg but just barely and Deus EX HR not to be an rpg. The character builds in DEHR aren't deeper there are just more options but since you get to use 90% of all of those options in a game every game ends up with essentially the same character build. In ME2 you at least have the options of different character classes.

[Jonp382]

TW2 sold around 250,000 copies digitally as of a few days ago. 940,000 was total digital and retail for August.

[Ghost Lightning]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

The point is it was not a great year for RPGs

Skyrim came out. It was a great year for anything. 

[saMoorai]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

The point is it was not a great year for RPGs

Skyrim, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Human Revolution, TOR, Disgaea 4... I'd say it was a great year for RPGs.

[Ghost Lightning]

Also ME2 released for PS3 this year so for those that hadn't played yet there was that.

[CroGamer002]

Because there are people who actually loved that game?

[Kallianira]

What Mesina2 said.

[spirosz]

It's also the VGA's, why take it seriously? lol. The game may not be a RPG for YOU, but it still is for others, to each it's own.

[Maverick827]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

How did Dragon Age II get nominated for best RPG?

How did you manage to operate a computer and post something this stupid on the internet?

Modifié par Maverick827, 18 novembre 2011 - 11:08 .

[Chromie]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

The point is it was not a great year for RPGs

Skyrim, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Human Revolution, TOR, Disgaea 4... I'd say it was a great year for RPGs.

Well Old Republic isn't out yet so it doesn't count and minus DA2 there were quite a few good rpgs released. Disgaea 4 is awesome btw love my tactical rpgs.

[jlb524]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not really, because the only objective standard we have is real life. So the only way to objectively judge a political plot is how it compares to real life.

But which 'real life' body of political theory should be used as a judge?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If people think that an idiotic political plot was interesting, then good for them. But it's simply not a good political plot, because what makes a political plot good is precisely how political it is (as in, complex, not bipolar and simple....etc). 

A good political plot has to be...political?

Regardless....saying that an ingame political plot has to be 'politcal' or 'complex' and mirror real life for it to be good is still a subjective measure.

[Chromie]

jlb524 wrote...
A good political plot has to be...political?

Wait...what?

[slimgrin]

jlb524 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not really, because the only objective standard we have is real life. So the only way to objectively judge a political plot is how it compares to real life.

But which 'real life' body of political theory should be used as a judge?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If people think that an idiotic political plot was interesting, then good for them. But it's simply not a good political plot, because what makes a political plot good is precisely how political it is (as in, complex, not bipolar and simple....etc). 

A good political plot has to be...political?

Regardless....saying that an ingame political plot has to be 'politcal' or 'complex' and mirror real life for it to be good is still a subjective measure.

You are hiding behind relativity, but it's an invisible wall. Have you even played TW2? 

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 novembre 2011 - 12:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

jlb524 wrote...
But which 'real life' body of political theory should be used as a judge?

Political theory differ mostly on what "ought to be" and not on "what is".
All schools of political theory recognize the factors at play in politics, but differ in how they classify them by importance.

A good political plot has to be...political?

.....

Yes, otherwise it's just a good plot.

Regardless....saying that an ingame political plot has to be 'politcal' or 'complex' and mirror real life for it to be good is still a subjective measure.

*facepalm*

Yea, now I know that I should stop.

[Fallstar]

The difference is Skyrim has been in development for five years with a huge budget, whereas DA:2 had what, 18 months? After one of the lead designers left as well? Its like comparing a dragon to a mud crab. Also the fact that Skyrim in 48hrs outsold DA:2 lifetime sales to date comparing Skyrim's PS3+360 (no PC / digital download) to DA:2 with PS3, 360 and PC (no digital download) speaks volumes. 

Modifié par DuskWarden, 19 novembre 2011 - 12:16 .

[csfteeeer]

Maverick827 wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

How did Dragon Age II get nominated for best RPG?

How did you manage to operate a computer and post something this stupid on the internet?

You just made an even more stupid question.

[csfteeeer]

dp

[Pious_Augustus]

Mesina2 wrote...

Because there are people who actually loved that game?

You had a Romance with Anders didnt you

[billy the squid]

jlb524 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If people think that an idiotic political plot was interesting, then good for them. But it's simply not a good political plot, because what makes a political plot good is precisely how political it is (as in, complex, not bipolar and simple....etc). 

A good political plot has to be...political?

Regardless....saying that an ingame political plot has to be 'politcal' or 'complex' and mirror real life for it to be good is still a subjective measure.

Yes, or it is no longer a political plot. Rather pointless isn't it.
 
As to subjective measurements, that arguement is a smoke screen which will lead to any claim being rebuffed because it is subjective. If you haven't noticed many things despite being subjective are allocated a distinction as good or bad.

DA2's plot may or may not be good, but let's not pretend that it is political in anything but the vaguest sense, cack handedly implemented in an enforced A vs B senario, potentially it could have been so much better. What makes something interesting in such plots are details, interwoven plots, factionalism between parties and agendas, which reflects any political system in history.

If I wanted simplicity, then I'd expect the standard save the world, not A vs B wrapped in a thin veneer of politics which fails to create a more grey game, resulting in the aimless ending of DA2, where I spent my time twiddling my thumbs rather than being part of the events.