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[Dariustwinblade]

All Shepards **SPOILER ALERT*

Spoiler

Trust Liara! so much so that she is the ONLY PERSON who Shepard shared his anti-reaper plans. ITS CANON.

So suck on that haters!

[Neria Rose]

Xilizhra wrote...

Recheck your LotSB dialogue and note that it canonically happened. Your Shepard actually rather likes Liara.

That what canonically happened? That Liara gets ahold of Shepard's body, regardless of Shepard's feelings toward her, as I've already stated?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Neria Rose wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Recheck your LotSB dialogue and note that it canonically happened. Your Shepard actually rather likes Liara.

That what canonically happened? That Liara gets ahold of Shepard's body, regardless of Shepard's feelings toward her, as I've already stated?

If you're referring to the comic where Liara recovers Shep's body, then yes, that is very much canon regardless of how you envision your Shep to care for her. LOTSB is also canon as a result, whether you did it in your game or not.

[Xilizhra]

Neria Rose wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Recheck your LotSB dialogue and note that it canonically happened. Your Shepard actually rather likes Liara.

That what canonically happened? That Liara gets ahold of Shepard's body, regardless of Shepard's feelings toward her, as I've already stated?

That your repeated friendly conversations with Liara in the DLC happened.

[jtav]

Believe me, at this point I'm sincerely hoping a chance to kill Liara makes it into the game. I used to like her, but I react poorly to anything being shoved down my throat.

[Neria Rose]

Xilizhra wrote...

That your repeated friendly conversations with Liara in the DLC happened.

Ah, so Bioware has stated that regardless of whether or not you do the DLC, then Shepard definitely assisted Liara in becoming the SB? And not that she did it on her own? Link your source, please?

[alex90c]

jtav wrote...

Believe me, at this point I'm sincerely hoping a chance to kill Liara makes it into the game. I used to like her, but I react poorly to anything being shoved down my throat.

what about miranda's arse

[IndigoWolfe]

Neria Rose wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That your repeated friendly conversations with Liara in the DLC happened.

Ah, so Bioware has stated that regardless of whether or not you do the DLC, then Shepard definitely assisted Liara in becoming the SB? And not that she did it on her own? Link your source, please?

Well, personally, I remember it being stated several times that LotSB and Arrival are a bridge of events between ME2 and ME3 that happen regardless of whether or not the player has played them. I forget where exactly it was stated, and I suspect that those threads are long-buried in the ME2 forums, but there you have it.

[IndigoWolfe]

alex90c wrote...

jtav wrote...

Believe me, at this point I'm sincerely hoping a chance to kill Liara makes it into the game. I used to like her, but I react poorly to anything being shoved down my throat.

what about miranda's arse

Well, Miranda was killable, if you'll recall...

Although, really, I think the knee-jerk reactions of killing or wanting to kill someone due to their very presence in the story, rather than a reason tied to the story itself --for any character-- is rather immature.

(Granted; I have not read the spoilers, so I may be uninformed as to the reasoning behind this kill-wish at some level.)

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Believe me, at this point I'm sincerely hoping a chance to kill Liara makes it into the game. I used to like her, but I react poorly to anything being shoved down my throat.

Do you still support Miranda/Liara?

[jtav]

Ask me when my resentment dies down. I'm sure it will, eventually.

[Neria Rose]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Well, personally, I remember it being stated several times that LotSB and Arrival are a bridge of events between ME2 and ME3 that happen regardless of whether or not the player has played them. I forget where exactly it was stated, and I suspect that those threads are long-buried in the ME2 forums, but there you have it.

Yes, I know they stated the DLCs link ME2 to ME3. ME3's beginning is entirely based upon the events in Arrival (which I thoroughly enjoyed, I don't actually get the complaints about Arrival). And I see how Liara being the SB is canon, which I honestly don't care one way or the other about. It's Shepard's assistance being canon that I would like verified. I didn't believe Garrus was romanceable, despite a good deal of proof, until I had actually gone through the romance myself (some part of my mind would always say 'photoshop', 'modding', etc.), so I'm the kind of person who needs solid dev quotes or Bioware articles stating it for me to believe it.

[alex90c]

jtav wrote...

Ask me when my resentment dies down. I'm sure it will, eventually.

so back to my post

why does miranda's arse not bother you then

i mean, bioware even made it so when you're talking to her during the arse shot, the investigate option is right on her arse 

[jtav]

Because, as obnoxious as those shots are, I can control Shepard's reaction. I can grind Miranda's nose in  the dirt if I want, even kill her. Liara is canonically a friend, perhaps even closer than the LI. And   telling me how my character relates to someone is going too far. So now I just want Liara out of my universe.

[naledgeborn]

alex90c wrote...

so back to my post

why does miranda's arse not bother you then

i mean, bioware even made it so when you're talking to her during the arse shot, the investigate option is right on her arse 

I'm assuming it does in her case... not in mine .

edit: 'd

But I'm also willing look past a pixelated character's asthetic and carnal "beauty" and also acknowledge and admire said character for their traits, personality, quirks, and ideals. Not every ****ing dude/ette on the internet lives in their moms basement and lives off of pornography and videogames. 

Grownups are allowed to play Xbox too you know.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:57 .

[IndigoWolfe]

jtav wrote...

Because, as obnoxious as those shots are, I can control Shepard's reaction. I can grind Miranda's nose in  the dirt if I want, even kill her. Liara is canonically a friend, perhaps even closer than the LI. And   telling me how my character relates to someone is going too far. So now I just want Liara out of my universe.

Good gravy; I pity Anderson in your games then...

[Vilio1]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

jtav wrote...

Because, as obnoxious as those shots are, I can control Shepard's reaction. I can grind Miranda's nose in  the dirt if I want, even kill her. Liara is canonically a friend, perhaps even closer than the LI. And   telling me how my character relates to someone is going too far. So now I just want Liara out of my universe.

Good gravy; I pity Anderson in your games then...

...and the whole ME1 squad.

[Dariustwinblade]

What about Joker. He is worse COMPLETELY unkillable in all three game. And has a personal private romance all for himself. According to spoiler.

[alex90c]

jtav wrote...

Because, as obnoxious as those shots are, I can control Shepard's reaction. I can grind Miranda's nose in  the dirt if I want, even kill her. Liara is canonically a friend, perhaps even closer than the LI. And   telling me how my character relates to someone is going too far. So now I just want Liara out of my universe.

shepard also always checks out miranda, implying that he/she is attracted to her, regardless of whether you want to roleplay your character as a miri/cerberus hater or not

and anyway, if you hate forced friendships then i'm guessing you must hate quite a few of the other characters then, like the whole ME1 crew

[IndigoWolfe]

alex90c wrote...

jtav wrote...

Because, as obnoxious as those shots are, I can control Shepard's reaction. I can grind Miranda's nose in  the dirt if I want, even kill her. Liara is canonically a friend, perhaps even closer than the LI. And   telling me how my character relates to someone is going too far. So now I just want Liara out of my universe.

shepard also always checks out miranda, implying that he/she is attracted to her, regardless of whether you want to roleplay your character as a miri/cerberus hater or not

and anyway, if you hate forced friendships then i'm guessing you must hate quite a few of the other characters then, like the whole ME1 crew

(I don't remember my Shepard eyeing up Miranda... )

It's not so much forced relationships period that she doesn't like --for instance you could have a good or bad relationship with Ashley in ME1-- it's Shepard liking characters regardless of the player's opinion of them, characters like Joker, Garrus, Anderson, Liara and Wrex.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 20 novembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[Skullheart]

alex90c wrote...
and anyway, if you hate forced friendships then i'm guessing you must hate quite a few of the other characters then, like the whole ME1 crew

There's exceptions...


Tali: You can be no so friendly with her in ME and ME2. Her reactions to Shepard are different. Just see in Freedom Progress the way she reacts.

Garrus: You can avoid have him recruited in ME, so you can start a new frienship with him in ME2 (he has a sighly different dialgue).

Wrex: He can be killed in Virmire. By not killing him you create the frienship or mutual respect with him.

Ash/Kaidan: they were screwed at ME2, so no opinion.

Liara: You can never have a dialogue with her in ME, but you'll have a forced close friendship with her. This is one of the thing that I didn't like from Liara. I'd rather to have a professional relation with her, or an optional friendship (not forced).

Liara is the only character from ME that has a forced friendship with Shepard.

[Vilio1]

Skullheart wrote...

alex90c wrote...
and anyway, if you hate forced friendships then i'm guessing you must hate quite a few of the other characters then, like the whole ME1 crew

There's exceptions...


Tali: You can be no so friendly with her in ME and ME2. Her reactions to Shepard are different. Just see in Freedom Progress the way she reacts.

Garrus: You can avoid have him recruited in ME, so you can start a new frienship with him in ME2 (he has a sighly different dialgue).

Wrex: He can be killed in Virmire. By not killing him you create the frienship or mutual respect with him.

Ash/Kaidan: they were screwed at ME2, so no opinion.

Liara: You can never have a dialogue with her in ME, but you'll have a forced close friendship with her. This is one of the thing that I didn't like from Liara. I'd rather to have a professional relation with her, or an optional friendship (not forced).

Liara is the only character from ME that has a forced friendship with Shepard.

Garrus' conversations are very very buddy buddy, even if you didn't recruit him in Mass Effect 1 (the greeting is a bit different). He's the worst offender, imo.

[Dariustwinblade]

Take an Me1 unrecruited Garrus to Tali's recruitment mission.

HE ALWAYS says "just like old times." durring the colossous intro.

Shepard is always friends with Joker. Even though he is the reason Shep dies. He is worst one.

Again you have to choose how you deal with Tali in freedom's progress. She is still attracted to Shepard.

Shepard is always buddies with Anderson.

If he can be canon friends with Joker and Anderson. So why not Liara.

There is so much of Shepard you can control. His friendship with the sinfull blue angle is not one of them.

[kumquats]

Neria Rose wrote...

You've lost me. What is the point you're trying to make? I've already said Liara gets Shepard's body, so it couldn't be that you think I don't know that. And I've already said Cerberus brings Shepard back to life, unless you're trying to say Liara herself has some biotic power to revive corpses?

Yeah, no Liara doesn't have that ability.
My point is, bringing back a dead body is not a rescue and it's not saving. You can't save a dead body from being dead. Maybe it's more awesome to be dead, who knows?

But you can rescue a dead body from being part of sick and disgusting experiments.
So if you are pissed of that people give Liara all the credit, then don't pretend it was Cerberus. The guy who rescued Liara and Shepard's corpse has a name.

jtav wrote...
Liara is canonically a friend, perhaps even
closer than the LI. And   telling me how my character relates to someone
is going too far. So now I just want Liara out of my universe.

Liara's canon friendship can end in LotSB, I don't understand why people always demand a bloodbath.

Yay, to all the Shepard's who love their Squadis.

Modifié par kumquats, 20 novembre 2011 - 06:10 .

[Neria Rose]

kumquats wrote...


Yeah, no Liara doesn't have that ability.
My point is, bringing back a dead body is not a rescue and it's not saving. You can't save a dead body from being dead. Maybe it's more awesome to be dead, who knows?

But you can rescue a dead body from being part of sick and disgusting experiments.
So if you are pissed of that people give Liara all the credit, then don't pretend it was Cerberus. The guy who rescued Liara and Shepard's corpse has a name.

To the first, tell that to the "but Liara saved you omgzorz!11!!" fans. I'm already well aware of it.

To the second, you're telling me Cerberus did not look for Shepard's corpse? Cerberus didn't hire nor work with anyone (or Feron, since you seem to be so focused on him) to find Shepard's body and so deserves no credit whatsoever beyond resurrecting him/her?

I don't care that people give her "all the credit", which I do not think a lot of them do, but they do try to press it like it's something special and an excuse to like her. As if it would be impossible for an organization like Cerberus to have Liara-less alternatives to finding and getting Shepard.