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[MEMANIAsama]

I keep hearing that Carver is cooler to you if you have his bar in the blue. Does this only apply to Grey Warden Carver or also to Templar Carver? I find him being a Templar cooler, but if he's going to be a huge douche to me because I didn't take him into the Deep Roads, well... 'eff him he's gonna be a Warden.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've only done Grey Warden Carver as a friend, and I suspect it's much harder to be friends with a Templar Carver because you get a significant boost to Friendship points for taking him into the Deep Roads and making him a Warden. It might be still doable though. I'd suggest taking him on Legacy if you get his friendship points across the halfway line, because you can make a big difference to Friendship Rivalry at one point.

As far as his dialogue goes, he and Hawke still fight a little but he is MUCH nicer to you. In fact he's even nicer than Friendship Grey Warden Bethany. At the end of the game he actually apologized to me for being mean to me in the Deep Roads even though he wasn't. I dunno, maybe that dialouge progession wasn't finished.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 18 novembre 2011 - 06:03 .

[MEMANIAsama]

Hmm... well I'm already over the halfway line before Deep Roads. I've been pandering to him like crazy, and I've yet to really compromise my character as a whole... although I suppose it's hypocritical that I'm sending all these mages to the Circle and I'm like "trololol, me and my team mates are apostates, we're just sending you all away." Then again, I'm not messing with Blood Magic or in danger of being possessed by a Demon.

But, back on topic, yeah, I think I only get like... +15 Rivalry if I don't send Carver to the deep roads and I miss out on +25 Friendship by not taking him... It is significant but I wouldn't think it'd be THAT significant if I did everything else with him. The only other Rivalry I expect to get beyond the initial +5 is when I say The Order needs to change instead of kissing Templar butt.

[Eudaemonium]

If you get every piece of Friendship with Carver you can technically get him to 100% (w/Legacy). I think you need over 50% or so to get the friendship dialogue, but it might be less. I am planning on doing this in my next playthrough.

[MEMANIAsama]

Eudaemonium wrote...

If you get every piece of Friendship with Carver you can technically get him to 100% (w/Legacy). I think you need over 50% or so to get the friendship dialogue, but it might be less. I am planning on doing this in my next playthrough.

That's another thing I was curious about, can you get 100% even with a few negatives or do you have to be PERFECT. The wikia doesn't seem to have EVERY single Carver +rep listed, it has most, but it left out quite a few Approval/Rivalry that are only listed under the quests themselves. Does 100% count towards the achievement even if he leaves your party?

I wish there was a number bar or something I could see on those bars instead of it being abritrary guesswork.

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 18 novembre 2011 - 07:21 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Does anyone know if he's supposed to give any different dialogue in the endgame as a friend? I got Carver to be nice to me in Legacy, the Qunari attack in Act 2 and Finding Nathaniel but near as could tell his dialogue with Hawke is the same in the endgame.

[Riknas]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

If you get every piece of Friendship with Carver you can technically get him to 100% (w/Legacy). I think you need over 50% or so to get the friendship dialogue, but it might be less. I am planning on doing this in my next playthrough.

That's another thing I was curious about, can you get 100% even with a few negatives or do you have to be PERFECT. The wikia doesn't seem to have EVERY single Carver +rep listed, it has most, but it left out quite a few Approval/Rivalry that are only listed under the quests themselves. Does 100% count towards the achievement even if he leaves your party?

I wish there was a number bar or something I could see on those bars instead of it being abritrary guesswork.

Ehh...Well, from what I can tell, if you really want 100%, you need to hit every friendship point and avoid any rivalry gains.

But it's intentionally difficult, and even then, it's not worth worrying about too much since you can  get the friendship dialogue regardless.

[Knight of Dane]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Does anyone know if he's supposed to give any different dialogue in the endgame as a friend? I got Carver to be nice to me in Legacy, the Qunari attack in Act 2 and Finding Nathaniel but near as could tell his dialogue with Hawke is the same in the endgame.

In my experience it's only in DLC's and in Nathaniels quest he has different dialogue, the end game will be the same. At least for GW.

[MEMANIAsama]

Taken from the main Carver thread, figured I'd just share it here too.

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Here's some quick Carver math for Friendship Dialogs, etc.

Templar
Carver can never be at 100% because you sacrifice 25 friendship points
(and LOSE 15) by not bringing him. As for actual Friendship Dialog with
Templar Carver, in the Legacy DLC, that is ONLY obtainable by joining
Athenril during the prologue, if you side with Meeran you'll be 45% into
friendship, Athenril will put you EXACTLY at 50% (this also means doing
Friends in Low Places and losing 50 sovereigns or an achievement.) If
you want GAME friendship dialog if you sided with Meeran you'll have to
sacrifice a loss of friendship dialog and other possible interesting
stuff during the Legacy DLC by doing it in Act 1 (or sacrificing Legacy
DLC dialogs and doing it ASAP at the start of Act 2.) It may be entirely
possible friendship dialog will trigger mid-mission if you getting
+Friendship during the quest. I'm going on the assumption you don't, and
that this is decided when you start the mission.

This option has
been entirely ruled out for me personally, and I'm also basing this on
the assumption that anything that ISN'T 50% into Friendship or Rivalry
is still considered neutral (which sort of makes sense, 50 points
friendship, 50 points neutral, 50 points rivalry.)

Now, Grey
Warden Carver is WAY easy to max but ONLY with the DLC, you'll be 10
points off from 100% with Athenril and 15 points off with Meeran. You
can even opt out of Friends in Low Places and still be able to hit 100%
regardless of who you side with and EVEN have some room for one small
choice where you don't get +5 Friendship or even earning a +5 Rivalry (I
think.) But you're cutting it damn close if you do that unless you've
joined up with Athenril, then you have 10 points of breathing
room.

[Apathy1989]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Hmm... well I'm already over the halfway line before Deep Roads. I've been pandering to him like crazy, and I've yet to really compromise my character as a whole... although I suppose it's hypocritical that I'm sending all these mages to the Circle and I'm like "trololol, me and my team mates are apostates, we're just sending you all away." Then again, I'm not messing with Blood Magic or in danger of being possessed by a Demon.

But, back on topic, yeah, I think I only get like... +15 Rivalry if I don't send Carver to the deep roads and I miss out on +25 Friendship by not taking him... It is significant but I wouldn't think it'd be THAT significant if I did everything else with him. The only other Rivalry I expect to get beyond the initial +5 is when I say The Order needs to change instead of kissing Templar butt.

Dunno my roleplaying standpoint was that my mage hawk was a good andrastrian, despite not being in the circle. You can see that the Starkhaven mages are dangerous, and justifiably should be sent to the circle to have an eye on them. Fenryial... thats more debatable and I don't think carver is too bother either way on this particular one since he feels sorry for the mother.

[esper]

Has anyone done Mark of Assassin with a Carver they know is rival. Legacy sort of brought him into neutral for me and I noticed how he was a little friendlier than usual in Mark.

[Knight of Dane]

It is different. I don't remember exactly how much, it's been a while since i actually played the game.

However i do remember that he wasn't especially "Rawr!" like, but it wasn't near the "I had almost forgotten how much missed runnign with you" that friendship gives either.

[Lisa_H]

I have a friend Templar Carver in my current playthrough. I have not played Mar of the Assassin yet, but in Legacy the dialogue change a bit. The end conversation at the Hawke estate was very sweet with a friendship Carver

[MEMANIAsama]

I have a feeling that friendship discussion in Legacy is the same regardless of Warden or Templar, that's just my guess though.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

It is different. I don't remember exactly how much, it's been a while since i actually played the game.

However i do remember that he wasn't especially "Rawr!" like, but it wasn't near the "I had almost forgotten how much missed runnign with you" that friendship gives either.

Carver was first like: You are involved in everything, aren't you? 
after splitting with Tallis he was more:
'You always get me into trouble, but I forgot how you get me out off it too'. Which I thought was unusual nice for him.
He just didn't sound as bitter as he usually does. Perhaps it was because it was act three, Carver does grow up after all. 

[Knight of Dane]

Indeed, i liked that about him, though i still prefer Friendship, even if you have to plan your playthrough a bit more for it to work.

[thundersnake]

I take Carver with me to the deep roads, but don't get 10 friendpoints for that, only 10 for saving sandal, does anybody know why? Looks like i will get 100% anyway, since have done everything else right with him, just annoying that i miss these 10 points, is there a bug or what am i doing wrong?

[esper]

Those ten for saving Sandal are actually for agreeing to take him without into the deep roads. There has been cutscenes non-stop untill then.

[MEMANIAsama]

^ The wikia lists it as a separate 10 in the specific deep roads article. Do you just get no points at all for bringing Carver, or does Carver just not give a damn what you do with Sandal?

[MEMANIAsama]

Also, this means it's impossible to get 100% Friendship with Carver unless you side with Athenril at the beginning of the game and take the assistance w/Deep Roads money. Which sucks because now I can't do it. :[ Not that it specifically matters for anything because you get the Friendship Dialogs, etc. regardless of 100%, he just won't count towards your 4 maxed friendship or rivalry achievement.

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 22 novembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[esper]

Do you have legacy and is Carver a warden. If so, it will be very easy for you to give him the final push towards friendship. Lot's of point there.

[thundersnake]

Carver doesn't care about sandal, 10 points no matter what i answer, so it seems those 10 are for taking him to deep roads. So, only way to get him 100% is to side with athenril (and legacy), and getting all +points possible/avoiding - points, at least for me. And, i am almost certain that now when he is 100%, he is nicer than when he was just a friend (missing 35 points from 100 %) to me! I also believe either he or i was adopted, so we could have romance( he just doesn't have voice to gideon emery, snif).......

[thundersnake]

And yes, Carver is a warden, and i have done legacy. After the deep roads was possible to visit legacy again, and meet Carver as a grey warden . And i have done everything possible, ( was lot of work to find out all, without reading guides, i do not recommened ) to get carver to 100 %, but for me there is no extra 10 points ( i have now also read all guides), strange!

[Knight of Dane]

You just did something wrong, i followed the wiki and got every bit of friendship in act 1 and even had some points to spare in Legacy.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 06 décembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[thundersnake]

I don't get 10 points for promising to help sandal, only 10 for taking carver to the deep roads, and i have tried all possible ways to get those 10 points,but i never get them, no matter how i answer to any questions before coming to deep roads or after getting there. I have played 3 times with 3 different stories, and have never gotten more than those 10 for carver, so there has to be something wrong, but what?!?!