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[CptData]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

So after playing ME1 again.. I dont understand this that much

She says she believes in god. But she doesnt specify any religon

She says in regards to her dead father " He's probably still watching "
If you choose soul survivor for your shephard and you say the right dialogue in the beginning of the game she says something along the lines of " With all due respect, somebody was watching over you ".

Where did the Christian, Zealot, and Bible part come in??? Am I missing something?

I dont recall her praying or reciting religious quotes..

Hmm, I'm an atheist and never felt offended by Ashley's religious side.
However - believing in God prereqs some kind of religiosity. Doesn't matter if you're jew, christian or muslim or hindu - as soon as you think there's some God, you need a supporting religion. Or it doesn't work, since God does not exist in a purely scientific world.

In my eyes Ashley is a christian or a jew, but not hindu or muslim.

[CptData]

^ I -know- that. Family story, would go a bit too deep into private stuff to be explained in a forum.

It also depends of the kind of God you're believing. If it's a Creator God, you -need- a religion. If it's just another word for "hope", "nature" or similar it's not a "God" in common sense. Ashley states clearly she believes in a Creator God, not the "other" God.

[DarkSeraphym]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

I know people that believe in god but with no religious dogma. "Whoever said you need a supporting religon"  Do you actually believe that or has somebody told you that?

I'm a little confused. Do these people believe in God or do they believe in a god? This is an important distinction because to say that you believe in God usually implies that you believe in the Muslim, Christian-Judeo version. Assuming that your friends believe in this God, they have to have some sort of religious dogma regardless of how superficial it is. Once you get into that version, you then have to decide what religious texts you follow and your stance on Jesus Christ. When you've done that, you've essentially developed a particular dogma.

Perhaps you mean that your friends just believe in a god? You could easily do that without having a particular dogma.

[Pride Demon]

CptData wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

So after playing ME1 again.. I dont understand this that much

She says she believes in god. But she doesnt specify any religon

She says in regards to her dead father " He's probably still watching "
If you choose soul survivor for your shephard and you say the right dialogue in the beginning of the game she says something along the lines of " With all due respect, somebody was watching over you ".

Where did the Christian, Zealot, and Bible part come in??? Am I missing something?

I dont recall her praying or reciting religious quotes..

Hmm, I'm an atheist and never felt offended by Ashley's religious side.
However - believing in God prereqs some kind of religiosity. Doesn't matter if you're jew, christian or muslim or hindu - as soon as you think there's some God, you need a supporting religion. Or it doesn't work, since God does not exist in a purely scientific world.

In my eyes Ashley is a christian or a jew, but not hindu or muslim.

I see what you mean, but this isn't entirely correct: see here.
Of course, dragging this into a philosophical debate would totally derail the thread, so I'll just leave it at that...

[CroGamer002]

CptData wrote...

Hmm, I'm an atheist and never felt offended by Ashley's religious side.

And why would anyone be offended by someone believing in God?

[snfonseka]

I think this also can be a reason: She said something that when looking at space it is clear that god made it or something similar to that. Can't remember the exact words, if anyone can remember please post. This dialogs occurs when she asks Shepard the reason he/ she joined Alliance.

[CroGamer002]

^She pretty much says that entire universe being create out of nothing by accident is ridiculous for her and believes some greater force did it which is in her case God( Christian, Jewish, Muslim, doesn't matter).

[DarkSeraphym]

Mesina2 wrote...

And why would anyone be offended by someone believing in God?

I am not certain that he meant he was literally not offended by Ashley's religiosity. As an athiest, I've come to terms with the fact that a lot of people have this perspective that atheists are easily offended by religious people and any sort of religious ideas that they have has, particularly within the United States. Its a phrase that I, myself, have used before only because I know what sorts of perceptions some people have in my home country. Not sure if CptData lives in the US, just offering an explanation for why they might have said that.

I usually roleplay characters as myself, so I won't lie I had to kind of force myself to romance Ashley just once to see what happens. Her belief in a deity, while not offensive, was definitely a turn-off for me.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 18 novembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[CptData]

Mesina2 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Hmm, I'm an atheist and never felt offended by Ashley's religious side.

And why would anyone be offended by someone believing in God?

It depends on how someone shows that s/he believes in a god / God. As long as faith is a private thing, I'm fine with everything. If someone tries to convert me ... things get complicated. Live and let live. I'm a strong believer in a way that I believe mankind can finally settle down that stupid century old debate "which club is better".

Ashley seems to go down that road as well: she mentions she believes in God but does not shove it into Shepard's face by the words: "you should believe in God too!" She is fine with whatever Shepard believes in or what not.
It's interesting Shepard's renegade answers against faith seem to be OOC a bit. That's why I usually pick the paragon answer - it's still not clear what religion Shepard follows - if any.

Modifié par CptData, 18 novembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[CptData]

^ indeed.

Also edited my posting. Mankind is truly unified as soon as no one is calling another person a "german", an "american" or a "jew", "christian" or "hindu". If you call someone by his or her name and don't feel offended by his/her PoV, his/her religion, language, culture or taint, you're on the "good" road.
Somehow I think mankind needs more than another 150 years to achieve that goal.

Which is a sad thing imo.

[CptData]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

CptData wrote...

^ indeed.

Also edited my posting. Mankind is truly unified as soon as no one is calling another person a "german", an "american" or a "jew", "christian" or "hindu". If you call someone by his or her name and don't feel offended by his/her PoV, his/her religion, language, culture or taint, you're on the "good" road.
Somehow I think mankind needs more than another 150 years to achieve that goal.

Which is a sad thing imo.

That seems so far ahead.I want to say about 30 yrs when technology is even more advanced.

Doesn't really fit here, but since it's already going: mankind has been around for how many years? A million, two? In all these years we only had some kind of civilization for 10.000 years. And even now we're still like stone-age clans defending their territory / attacking enemy territory for better food.

It's still the same. Today brothers fight brothers because different PoV, religion, color of skin, resources, land, you name it. I don't think we'll overcome an ancient old behavior within only one generation. No, Sir, we won't see a more peaceful future, neither for us nor for our grandchildren. It only gets worse ... I fear.

Okay, 'nuff about that, back to religions & Ashley

[Mims]

I think its more telling that no one calls Thane a zealot, despite the fact that he is highly religious and even prays onscreen.

People see Ashely, and project upon her whatever stereotypes they want.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Those who cannot see the big picture are unable to believe in God (the Creator and Lawmaker of the universe, and its Reviver). Yeah, you can't find God under your microscope.

[alperez]

I was brough up a catholic, joined the army and over the years i've gone from a catholic who believed in the tenets of catholicism to someone who abhors the teachings and practices of the catholic church, however that doesn't diminish a belief in god.

So organised religon is something i place no faith in but i still put faith in a higher power, now because i was raised a catholic for me that higher power is still in my own mind the same one that as a catholic i believed in.

For me this is pretty much how i pictured Ash, she believes in a god but not in the fundamentals of any particular religion, yet her faith is still strong and the belief in that god is still a fundamental aspect of her personality.

Unfortunately one anyone mentions god in any medium they fall into certain stereotypes so Ash becomes religious zealot because she's human and therefore must believe in whoever's playing the game own version of what belief they themselves have.

Funny thing is that its Shepard's line i always relate more to religious belief than anything Ash says because of my own predijuces "There are no atheists in a foxhole".

[General User]

CptData wrote...

^ indeed.

Also edited my posting. Mankind is truly unified as soon as no one is calling another person a "german", an "american" or a "jew", "christian" or "hindu". If you call someone by his or her name and don't feel offended by his/her PoV, his/her religion, language, culture or taint, you're on the "good" road.
Somehow I think mankind needs more than another 150 years to achieve that goal.

Which is a sad thing imo.

Cultural and religious uniformity sounds more like a nightmare than a worthy goal. 

Like Azeem (Morgan Freeman) said in Robin Hood: "Allah loves wondrous varieties."

Modifié par General User, 18 novembre 2011 - 04:07 .

[Ryzaki]

ugh that fox holes line. When my Shep said that I wanted to punch him through the screen.