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[Fiery Phoenix]

CptData wrote...

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In my eyes Ashley is a christian or a jew, but not hindu or muslim.

Not sure about the Jew bit, but she always struck me as basically a Christian. I guess you could think of her as a Muslim as well but that wouldn't fit since she can have unmarried sex with Shepard, which directly contradicts Islamic law.

In any case, this doesn't bother me in the slightest. Quite a few other characters can be thought of as religious: Thane and Samara, especially.

[Spoiledrotten]

Never really thought of her as anything other then a theist. Whether or not she is religious (as in, following a specific scripture, from a specific religion) is up for interpretation.

[General User]

While it's established that Ashley is religious of one sort or another her specific religion is actually dependent on player choices.


For example if you don't romance Ashley at all, she's Roman Catholic.

If you do romance her, but have her die on Virmire, then she was Anglican.

Getting her to be Jewish is a little tricky since you can only do it with a Spacer Shepard; you have to romance her in ME1, save her on Virmire, then romance Miranda (and only Miranda) in ME2.

I don't know if there is a Muslim option, but it's not too late to add one for ME3.

Modifié par General User, 18 novembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[BatmanPWNS]

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

[BubbleSauce]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

Isn't catholicism just a form of christianty?

[CptData]

General User wrote...

CptData wrote...

^ indeed.

Also edited my posting. Mankind is truly unified as soon as no one is calling another person a "german", an "american" or a "jew", "christian" or "hindu". If you call someone by his or her name and don't feel offended by his/her PoV, his/her religion, language, culture or taint, you're on the "good" road.
Somehow I think mankind needs more than another 150 years to achieve that goal.

Which is a sad thing imo.

Cultural and religious uniformity sounds more like a nightmare than a worthy goal. 

Like Azeem (Morgan Freeman) said in Robin Hood: "Allah loves wondrous varieties."

I never said anything about "cultural uniformity" - each culture should exist and be accepted by those who aren't part of that culture. Of course, some things need to get "uniformed" - human rights for example - but other stuff should stay the same.

After all it's one of the most impressive things of mankind that we come with hundreds of different cultures. I'd hate to see that vanishing for a greater goal because giving up all these cultures is a crime like genocide in my eyes.


Can's speak for me, I have some prejudices as well and I won't ever achieve that kind of wisdom or knowledge that's a prerequesite for that kind of human unification, however, I believe mankind needs to get there. Not for a greater goal but for peace and a future.

[Skullheart]

She has to be christian (I doubt she is catholic though). It would be more easy if she just believes in the FSM.

[CptData]

alperez wrote...

Funny thing is that its Shepard's line i always relate more to religious belief than anything Ash says because of my own predijuces "There are no atheists in a foxhole".

Dunno about that line. It's never stupid to get in cover (foxholes) once the shelling begins. If you pray to God or a god or just hope not getting hit doesn't make a difference - it's always the same hope for not getting killed. I bet half of the atheists in foxholes utter some lines about a "god" without believing in them. They just use a word for a more complex line ...

[General User]

BubbleSauce wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

Isn't catholicism just a form of christianty?

Yes.

Though, as the "Serrice Tavelers Companion Guidebook: Earth/Humanity" says: "the sects, denominations, offshoots etc. in Christianity easily make it the most diverse of humanity's major religions.  Many of these sects, denominations, offshoots, etc are disparate enough in doctrine, theology, and practice that they could be considered separate religions."

For example, all my Shepards are communicants of either The Church of Humanity Unchained, or the Third Stellar Missionary Communion (Reformed), the first of which is considered to be an offshoot of Christianity, while the latter is considered a denomination thereof.

[Ieldra]

Just saying....here's another atheist who had no problem with Ashley believing in God. I do view atheism as the more stringent and indeed superior viewpoint, but as long as people don't try to convert me or apply religion-inspired laws to me I don't have a problem with them. Things could get complicated over children's education should I ever envision a future of Shepard and Ashley together, since religious education of children (I call it indoctrination) is a thing I would not tolerate, but that's a different story. I don't even know if Ashley would insist on such.

Ashley has a great personality and she's not a zealot, neither in politics nor in religion. That she's religious plays a part in my preference for Miranda, but Ash is nonetheless great and I like her.

[General User]

CptData wrote...

General User wrote...

CptData wrote...

^ indeed.

Also edited my posting. Mankind is truly unified as soon as no one is calling another person a "german", an "american" or a "jew", "christian" or "hindu". If you call someone by his or her name and don't feel offended by his/her PoV, his/her religion, language, culture or taint, you're on the "good" road.
Somehow I think mankind needs more than another 150 years to achieve that goal.

Which is a sad thing imo.

Cultural and religious uniformity sounds more like a nightmare than a worthy goal. 

Like Azeem (Morgan Freeman) said in Robin Hood: "Allah loves wondrous varieties."

I never said anything about "cultural uniformity" - each culture should exist and be accepted by those who aren't part of that culture. Of course, some things need to get "uniformed" - human rights for example - but other stuff should stay the same.

After all it's one of the most impressive things of mankind that we come with hundreds of different cultures. I'd hate to see that vanishing for a greater goal because giving up all these cultures is a crime like genocide in my eyes.


Can's speak for me, I have some prejudices as well and I won't ever achieve that kind of wisdom or knowledge that's a prerequesite for that kind of human unification, however, I believe mankind needs to get there. Not for a greater goal but for peace and a future.

Perhaps I misunderstood.  In that case I apologize.  I just got the impression that you were saying that having different nationalities or religions was a bad thing.  My b'.

[Iakus]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

CptData wrote...

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In my eyes Ashley is a christian or a jew, but not hindu or muslim.

Not sure about the Jew bit, but she always struck me as basically a Christian. I guess you could think of her as a Muslim as well but that wouldn't fit since she can have unmarried sex with Shepard, which directly contradicts Islamic law.

In any case, this doesn't bother me in the slightest. Quite a few other characters can be thought of as religious: Thane and Samara, especially.

I always thought Alfred Lord Tennyson was her god 

[mango smoothie]

CptData wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

So after playing ME1 again.. I dont understand this that much

She says she believes in god. But she doesnt specify any religon

She says in regards to her dead father " He's probably still watching "
If you choose soul survivor for your shephard and you say the right dialogue in the beginning of the game she says something along the lines of " With all due respect, somebody was watching over you ".

Where did the Christian, Zealot, and Bible part come in??? Am I missing something?

I dont recall her praying or reciting religious quotes..

Hmm, I'm an atheist and never felt offended by Ashley's religious side.
However - believing in God prereqs some kind of religiosity. Doesn't matter if you're jew, christian or muslim or hindu - as soon as you think there's some God, you need a supporting religion. Or it doesn't work, since God does not exist in a purely scientific world.

In my eyes Ashley is a christian or a jew, but not hindu or muslim.

Hmmm you would have a hard time understanding my religion then. It involves science and religion/God working together.

[Air36723]

There is a difference in having faith and having religion. I believe the quote is from kingdom of heaven, when the Knight Hospitaller says to Balian, (as best as i can remember) "I put no stock in religion, i've seen all manner of things done in the name of religion, Faith is in right Thought and Action." The Knights Hospitaller were a religious order of knights similar to the Knights Templar. So while I personally don't think that ash is religious, i definately think she has faith in god. As a Lutherean (in name only), i believe in god, but i dont necessarily feel i have to do religious practices to do so. So yeah, IMHO, Ash has faith but not necessarily religion.

[CptData]

General User wrote...

Perhaps I misunderstood.  In that case I apologize.  I just got the impression that you were saying that having different nationalities or religions was a bad thing.  My b'.

It's okay. No, I don't say different nations, religions and cultures are bad ideas.

I'm an European and I see the EU starts crumbling. Why? Not because of all those cultures here or nations, but because it was found of the wrong reasons: economy. Is it a good idea to put economy over freedom, peace and understanding among nations? I'd say no.
What we need is a new form of EU - one that's based on human rights, on the aforementioned points plus sovereign nations under one banner and full democracy.

I think that's an experiment we should try - and if that works, there's a good chance to do this with the world. But first mankind needs to learn that someone HAS to take the leadership without getting offended. It just shouldn't be always a member of the same nation, culture or religion ...

Uhhh and sorry for lecturing you or anyone. I'm just ... nevermind. Democracy? Yes, Sir. Full democracy. Without influence of economy on politics.

[Xilizhra]

General User wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

Isn't catholicism just a form of christianty?

Yes.

Though, as the "Serrice Tavelers Companion Guidebook: Earth/Humanity" says: "the sects, denominations, offshoots etc. in Christianity easily make it the most diverse of humanity's major religions.  Many of these sects, denominations, offshoots, etc are disparate enough in doctrine, theology, and practice that they could be considered separate religions."

For example, all my Shepards are communicants of either The Church of Humanity Unchained, or the Third Stellar Missionary Communion (Reformed), the first of which is considered to be an offshoot of Christianity, while the latter is considered a denomination thereof.

Hmmm. My Shepard is just a siarist.

[BatmanPWNS]

BubbleSauce wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

Isn't catholicism just a form of christianty?

I am not christian/catholic so I don't know much about them. (Except for the basic beliefs)

[Rune-Chan]

CptData wrote...
If it's a Creator God, you -need- a religion.

Explain why? You could believe that there was a being that created the universe and disagree with every single known religions interpretation of how that came about, could you not?

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

General User wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

Isn't catholicism just a form of christianty?

Yes.

Though, as the "Serrice Tavelers Companion Guidebook: Earth/Humanity" says: "the sects, denominations, offshoots etc. in Christianity easily make it the most diverse of humanity's major religions.  Many of these sects, denominations, offshoots, etc are disparate enough in doctrine, theology, and practice that they could be considered separate religions."

For example, all my Shepards are communicants of either The Church of Humanity Unchained, or the Third Stellar Missionary Communion (Reformed), the first of which is considered to be an offshoot of Christianity, while the latter is considered a denomination thereof.

Hmmm. My Shepard is just a siarist.

Does siari have an actual church with a hierarchy and organization, or things like standardized observances and practices?  Or is it more like a personal religious-philosophy?

[Xilizhra]

To be honest, I don't know. I'll need to reread the codex entry again; luckily, I'm replaying it now.

[Pride Demon]

General User wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

General User wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She probably does have a religion. I like to presume it's either Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim.

Isn't catholicism just a form of christianty?

Yes.

Though, as the "Serrice Tavelers Companion Guidebook: Earth/Humanity" says: "the sects, denominations, offshoots etc. in Christianity easily make it the most diverse of humanity's major religions.  Many of these sects, denominations, offshoots, etc are disparate enough in doctrine, theology, and practice that they could be considered separate religions."

For example, all my Shepards are communicants of either The Church of Humanity Unchained, or the Third Stellar Missionary Communion (Reformed), the first of which is considered to be an offshoot of Christianity, while the latter is considered a denomination thereof.

Hmmm. My Shepard is just a siarist.

Does siari have an actual church with a hierarchy and organization, or things like standardized observances and practices?  Or is it more like a personal religious-philosophy?

As far as I know it's an Asari philosophy that takes the ability of Asari to meld with anyone as a sign everyone is connected by the forces that lead the universe, everyone a part of a whole "living organism"...
It's apparently the predominant "religion" among Asari, having slowly misplaced other religions (among them being the Asari monotheistic religion centered around the "Goddess")...

Take note I wrote this without loking at the codex so I may be wrong...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 18 novembre 2011 - 07:15 .

[CptData]

Machines Are Us wrote...

CptData wrote...
If it's a Creator God, you -need- a religion.

Explain why? You could believe that there was a being that created the universe and disagree with every single known religions interpretation of how that came about, could you not?

Okay, maybe I wasn't really precise here. Let me explain a difference:
A creator god like "God" did all the detail work, made stars, sun, earth, plants, animals etc etc. He spent a lot of his (unlimited) time to craft our world, right?
Now, that kind of god violates logic. If you start to explain how and why he did what he did by claiming "godly logic cannot be understand" then you're already on the path to create your own religion. Religions need some part the ordinary guy can't understand to ensure priests and clerks and whatnot always will have a "greater understanding" and therefore a "higher standing in society".
You simply run into so many complicated questions like "what did God before he did what he did" or "who created the Creator" ...

Lets pick the "other" god: the "big bang". Whatever the reason was why our universe exist, it's beyond our imagination. We could be part of a simulation (Matrix anyone), we could just exist as a thought of some being. Or there are reasons we just can't explain since science didn't get that far yet. As long as it's not clear what "made" our universe we could say "god". But this god is no "creator god" like "God". This god just pushed a button and was not seen since then. The creation was just one single event, everything else simply happened without "god's" influence.

That leads me to the idea what I said before:
You -need- a religion to explain a creator god like the christian / jew / muslim God.
You -don't need- a religion for the other kind of "creator" god.

But maybe I'm wrong.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

God can be the Force and power in the universe or can be a beardy man in the sky who did create everything one by one. Both are God.

[MACharlie1]

There seems to be a lot of weird assumptions that people have about Christianity (or maybe just Catholicism - its the only one I really know) that Catholics/Christians believe in the white bearded man in the sky. When...that is really not the case.

Based on what I learned (in a Catholic school) God does not have any real image. He isn't a person or the form of a person. There is no white bearded man. God, to Catholics, is the father, Christ and the Holy Spirit all in one. And by "father" it's not saying God is a man but that there are the characteristics that a father takes (caregiver and such) and also takes the role of "mother". So yeah...just to clarify...Catholics don't believe in the white bearded man. They believe in the "force" or a "light" called the Holy Spirit. Just some food for thought. I probably butchered the meaning....

[lastpatriot]

I heard that Ashley is a Mormon.